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Guelph Faith Bible Assembly
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Answering an Insecure View of Salvation: Part 2
SUNDAY, AUGUST 7, 2016
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(The contiuation of answers to questions posed by an Amish/Mennonite about salvation:)

4. Do you believe that our faith and obedience are conditions upon which this final verdict will be made?

No. As I have already stated, none of us could ever be faithful enough to have that be a deciding factor in our salvation.

5. Do you believe that unless we endure faithfully to the end we will not be saved for all eternity?

No. My salvation is not dependant on my faithfulness, but on Christ’s completed work on the cross. When He said “it is finished” it was finished. He bore my sins and my penalty. I shall not come into condemnation, because he already has.

6. Do you believe that without repentance, that sin and disobedience in someone’s life (after he becomes a child of God) could jeopardize his eternal salvation at the judgment?

No. If I believed that then I would be denying the finished work of Christ on the cross and therefore not be trusting Christ for my salvation and therefore not a Christian!

7. Do you believe that it is impossible for a true child of God to lose his salvation and promise of eternal life if he turns away from God into sin and disobedience, without repenting?

Yes. If he is a true believer. The true believer is created for the purpose of doing good works.[ii] Because he has the Holy Spirit dwelling in him, a sinful life will cause him great misery as he is now living in a way that is not in accord with his new nature. If, as a true believer, he persists in his sinful life, then God will chastise him; even to the point of death to turn him away from his sinful ways. That is why it is so important to come often to remember the Lord at the Lord’s Supper. At that time each man is to examine himself and see if he is prepared. We are commanded to examine ourselves and then partake. Those who do not may be judged as is seen in 1 Corinthians chapter 11:

28, But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29, For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.[iii]

30, For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

31, For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

32, But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

8. Do you believe there is a danger for anyone of us, no matter how rooted and faithful we are in Christ to become deceived and led away after the error of the wicked, turn again after by our choice to the path of unrighteousness and sin and thereby lose our salvation?

No. I have sinned since becoming a believer, and will again sin at some future date if I continue to breath. I have been deceived by error before, but I have always remained faithful in trusting Jesus Christ as my redeemer. This is the mark of the true believer. Those who depart prove that “there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.” 2 Peter 2:1 or that they were never true believers in the first place. 1 John 2:19 with regards to 2 Peter chapter 2, one who takes the time to follow the tread of pronouns will soon catch on that those who are worse than at the beginning are none other than the false prophets referred to in verse one.

Thus I have attempted to give an answer to your questions although to be fair much more could be said to give you a fuller understanding of the saving grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. Grace is lacking in the Dortrecht confession of faith.[iv] Grace is not found in any of the articles, which is strange when scripture declares, by grace are you saved, through faith. One would have to conclude that the document does not present saving faith.

[i] AV note: it shall be: Gr. It is

[ii] Ephesians 2:8-10; 8, For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

10, For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

[iii] AV note: damnation or judgement

[iv] For information on the Dortrecht Confession of Faith as taught by Amish and Mennontite conservative graoups see: http://www.bibleviews.com/Dordrecht.html

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