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FRONT PAGE  |  6/20/2021
TUESDAY, DEC 1, 2020  |  23 comments
UK police apologize to pastor after storming church during legal online service broadcast
Police in the United Kingdom have apologized to an African pastor after he was accused last week of breaking COVID-19 regulations as he held a virtual service.

Thames Valley police officers apologized after they stormed into a Pentecostal Church called Kingdom Faith Ministries International Church in Milton Keynes, a town approximately 50 miles northwest of London in Buckinghamshire, according to the BBC.

Pastor Daniel Mateola was hosting a broadcast service in his church being streamed to 150 online members when the authorities arrived on the scene following reports of loud music. ...


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News Item12/8/2020 8:06 PM
CV  Find all comments by CV
Watcher wrote:
Regardless if it's seat belts, speed limits, taxes, or wearing masks, they tell me to do it..

If they tell me that I'm not allowed to preach Jesus anymore, I slam my foot down

Christians are the most law abiding citizens. They do not go around overthrowing governments.
Wearing masks is all encompassing and includes denying church the right to assemble and controlling what can be said, & is not along the lines of seat belts and taxes. It IS attacking the preaching of the gospel.

The real issue is that you are scared out of your wits and have found a nice place in scripture to park your fear. That's why you attacked Mcarthur & Trump cause they would not aqeiesce to the fear narrative.

You say there's no limit to the powers of gov, then you go on to state "unless those powers come into direct opposition to God's holy law."
Well YOU just stated the limits. And by the time you flush out what Gods holy laws cover, you're in nowhere land.
Does the state have a right to murder? Do you have a right to life or does state own that? Has God given you or the state the right of headship and protection of your family.
Christians went to their deaths because the state had the might, and that this world was not their possession.

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News Item12/2/2020 10:55 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Don’t forget the curfews. Covid 19 is one of them there nocturnal viruses, don’t you know.
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News Item12/2/2020 10:39 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
We agree bro. James.👍.
Most will not share your interpretation, tradition and men’s commentaries are weighted blankets that are not easily given up.
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News Item12/2/2020 10:05 PM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
After reading your response Watcher, let me share a few more.

1 Peter 2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Their souls were being led astray by Priests who had forsaken The governing of God (Malachi 2)

Here's another reference to the government in Rom 13.

2 Peter 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and **despise government**. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

He's talking about the false prophets(Mal. 2) that were among the people (Like the Certain men of James in Gal. 2 ) whom despised the governing of God and His Word, not who was obeying or breaking Roman laws.

There's so much more, but if your reverence of God involves not hearing the prophets He sent to help us understand the NT which direct us there by citation after citation, then your shortchanging yourself Watcher by preferring commentaries of men to teach you over His servants the prophets given by God.

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News Item12/2/2020 9:49 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
It's airborne! So you honestly expect us to believe something that is airborne can't land on you as you pass by someone in Walmart?!? This virus is so smart, it only attacks religious gatherings who are 'sitting down'- smh. Good grief, you should be embarrassed by your own mindless comment.
They are social distancing at their gathering. They are following ALL the guidelines. As for persecution, who are YOU to determine whether or not this is persecution, which comes in various forms, i.e., verbal, physical, mental.
I have no idea what Gospel they adhere to, the point isn't about that, it's about taking away the right to gather, even when the guidelines are adhered to. I've been in Walmart, social distancing is NOT enforced nor is it practiced by every person in there. Yet, there's no police handing out tickets is there? No fines either. It's okay for Wal Mart and other stores to stay open and make $$, but other gatherings such as this one draw police and fines.
The liberal mindset likes to play the religion card quite a bit on this forum.

BTW, here's why Wal Mart can keep their doors open and 'spread' the virus - https://www.weforum.org/partners#W - be sure and read the very first one under the 'W' heading. They're part of the global reset.

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News Item12/2/2020 9:23 PM
Watcher  Find all comments by Watcher
ladybug wrote:
Here's what's really going on, no matter how hard the pro maskers try and claim people are being 'disobedient' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNQ_WZp8nDA&fbclid=IwAR1kAsm34CrXNp1r9v49ga8KLJJCgObIwfQ5aPyxfDYZ-Jr5xo85Jviwueo
This was in CANADA,this is NOT an endorsement of this religious gathering or their beliefs, rather, their RIGHT to meet because they ARE following the guidelines. Yet, Wal Mart lets people in to shop, but you can't gather to practice your religious beliefs, even though you follow ALL the guidelines?
Some like to insist we are 'rebels', 'disobedient' to God, blah blah blah. Here in the USA, there are NO LAWS mandating this stuff, there are guidelines, etc. but no one has passed any legislation making those guidelines the law of the land....yet.
No one is disobeying Romans 13, as James pointed out. NOT wearing a mask doesn't mean you are being disobedient to God, that is merely an opinion of a left wing liberal mindset.
Because people are passing through Walmart and other stores and in churches and stadiums they are sitting for extended periods of time in close quarters. It's NOT persecution. To call this such degrades the real persecution our dear brothers and sisters endure in generations past.
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News Item12/2/2020 8:20 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
Here's what's really going on, no matter how hard the pro maskers try and claim people are being 'disobedient' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNQ_WZp8nDA&fbclid=IwAR1kAsm34CrXNp1r9v49ga8KLJJCgObIwfQ5aPyxfDYZ-Jr5xo85Jviwueo

This was in CANADA,this is NOT an endorsement of this religious gathering or their beliefs, rather, their RIGHT to meet because they ARE following the guidelines. Yet, Wal Mart lets people in to shop, but you can't gather to practice your religious beliefs, even though you follow ALL the guidelines?
Some like to insist we are 'rebels', 'disobedient' to God, blah blah blah. Here in the USA, there are NO LAWS mandating this stuff, there are guidelines, etc. but no one has passed any legislation making those guidelines the law of the land....yet.
No one is disobeying Romans 13, as James pointed out. NOT wearing a mask doesn't mean you are being disobedient to God, that is merely an opinion of a left wing liberal mindset.

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News Item12/2/2020 8:03 PM
Watcher  Find all comments by Watcher
CV wrote:
This is how cults get started. Your 1st statement is true. Your 2nd is an imposition tainted by your agenda.
Your unquestioned reverence of the state borders on deification, which coincidentally matches your push for masks. We disagree on where the Bible sets the limits on Cesar, not that Cesar wont over reach anyway.
God is sovereign over governments, AND over me & my actions.
Firstly dear friend, my reverence goes to God, who instated the powers of government that tell us what to do. Regardless if it's seat belts, speed limits, taxes, or wearing masks, they tell me to do it, I do it. If they tell me that I'm not allowed to preach Jesus anymore, I slam my foot down and say NO! You cannot prove in scripture (without twisting its context) where God has set limits on governments and their right to exercise their power and authority over man unless those powers come into direct opposition to God's holy law. Where do you draw the line? If you don't like the law, then you have a right to say no? This is called circumstantial ethics. This is what children do when they don't want to eat their vegetables. Society has been raised on a no-discipline philosophy and now we're seeing the fruits.
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News Item12/2/2020 7:34 PM
CV  Find all comments by CV
Watcher wrote:
.. We have no right to question authority unless it goes in direct opposition to what God has commanded us to do in scripture. Masks, social distancing, vaccines, etc. do not get in the way of my preaching the Gospel and loving my neighbor as myself.
This is how cults get started. Your 1st statement is true. Your 2nd is an imposition tainted by your agenda.

Your unquestioned reverence of the state borders on deification, which coincidentally matches your push for masks. We disagree on where the Bible sets the limits on Cesar, not that Cesar wont over reach anyway.

God is sovereign over governments, AND over me & my actions.

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News Item12/2/2020 3:22 PM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
So my point in sharing this is that I also read Romans 13 the way it was written, but we have the prophets that God gave us to teach us what it all meant.
Thanks for hearing me out and sharing your thoughts on it as well Watcher.
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News Item12/2/2020 3:09 PM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
Thanks for your honest reply Watcher. That was my view for some time too. Changed not for the taste of the medicine mind you, but simply following the Scripture validations elsewhere spoken by prophets which do relate to the events spoken in the entire book of Romans of which Amos 9:10-11 is a description of the events Paul wrote about.

IOW, hearing all of what the prophets said on the same context of Rom 13:1-4 by consulting them.

FYI (I do believe in the sovereignty of God which works in unwilling, unknowing, and unaware individuals as well as those that are His to bring about His will.)

When you read Rom 13:4, compare to Rom 1:18, Amos 9:10. All tie into the same event which Paul is speaking about in Romans which details the government Paul is speaking to.

Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

and here.

Acts 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written

After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David...

BTW, The sword which renders vengeance in Rom 13:4 is defined in Deut. 32:41.

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News Item12/2/2020 1:10 PM
Watcher  Contact via emailFind all comments by Watcher
My honest answer is this. I read Romans 13 the way it was written. If you believe in the sovereignty of God then you will understand that He controls the king in any country you can think of. He also controls the laws the king dictates. He also has ordained/allowed many rules and laws to be put in power that have rained down persecution and suffering on Christians/Jews and many other religious and/or political groups down through the years. I can think of many right off hand. The problem I have with those who think that Romans 13 is up for interpretation is it places the power of changing God's law into the hands of those who don't like the taste of the medicine, as it were. Romans 13 tells us to submit to authority, ordained by God. Period. Yes, they are ungodly and unfriendly to Christianity, they always have been and always will be. We have no right to question authority unless it goes in direct opposition to what God has commanded us to do in scripture. Masks, social distancing, vaccines, etc. do not get in the way of my preaching the Gospel and loving my neighbor as myself. Just because we don't like what is going on in society, doesn't mean we have the right to change scripture to fit our rebellion.
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News Item12/1/2020 10:53 PM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
Watcher wrote:
if that rule or law was sanctioned by a governmental authority, you are rebelling against God.
Watcher,
An honest question to you.

Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for **he beareth not the sword in vain:** for he is the minister of God, **a revenger to execute wrath** upon him that doeth evil.

If the above "minister of God" is a reference to secular authorities, then why is that same revenger - which revealed wrath in Rom 1:18- said to have come from heaven?

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed** from heaven** against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness.

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News Item12/1/2020 9:14 PM
cv  Find all comments by cv
Watcher wrote:
This church is another in a long list of rebellious churches that flaunt their so-called rights in the faces of the governments that GOD (yes God) put into place. You can rebel against anything you don't agree with, but if that rule or law was sanctioned by a governmental authority, you are rebelling against God.
In NY, the Supreme Court (that God instituted, yes God instituted) sided with the churches that had rebelled against the governor, whom it was that was actually in rebellion after all.

Maybe you ought to have another reading of what the bible defines the authority of Caesar is.
It does not give it rights to reassign gender usurping parental rights, for instance instance.

The bible warns against such state worship. Ffrom Peter's defiance, escalating to the end times of receiving the mark, to a call to flee the cities. Fleeing is rebelling!

Your crusade to force masks on everybody is a roadblock to you understanding the bible. I suppose just like in Germany, they will need compliance officers. What happens when euthanasia comes around?

The authority to meet as a church is from God!

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News Item12/1/2020 7:00 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
Sure wish nine cops would show up and deal with all the noise pollution that goes on in our neighborhood.🤷‍♀️
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News Item12/1/2020 6:57 PM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
I guess you didn’t read the article, did you, Watcher? In your zeal to point out all the “rebels” in Christian circles, you seem to have overlooked the fact that the church was in complete compliance with the government restrictions.
I did read the article. It didn’t say a word about what kind of music was being played, only that there were reports that it was “loud.” It may have been a heavy metal rock band, or it may have been two harpists and 18 people singing psalms. But let’s assume the worst. After all, that’s the very heart of charity, isn’t it?
I know several missionaries that are illegally taking the gospel into “closed” countries. I suppose they’re rebels in your book, too? Eh?
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News Item12/1/2020 6:42 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
The police apologized, which suggests they were wrong. Looks like they didn’t understand the rules they were thinking to enforce. People really need to be careful how much power you allow fleshly, worldly men to have.
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News Item12/1/2020 5:17 PM
John Lee | Wales  Find all comments by John Lee
Michael Hranek wrote:
John, Having trouble understanding you of late. Satire? Something else?
Greetings Michael, beloved brother and servant of the Lord,

You know that we Christians have three enemies above all enemies: the world, the flesh, and the devil.

All three follow us around, every day, everywhere we go. The world surrounds us and seeks to conform us to its mould. In my post I hinted that the music of the world has infiltrated and now taken over the majority of churches. I have personally witnessed a so-called Christian rock group strutting its stuff at an evangelistic meeting, and my thought was.....

And don't forget, Michael, that in my leisure time as an unbeliever, I played in a rock band myself, so I was not opposed to heavy metal until my conversion. Jesus changed me.

How subtle is the devil, that in a short space of time, he can...

1. Totally remove the biblically warranted singing of psalms in churches.
2. Introduce the music which is accepted in the world into the church.

With few discerning people to counteract these things and speak up, of course the church will backslide, and worse, they will not recognise they have backslidden. They say, "I am good, my worship is good, my doctrine is good...."

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News Item12/1/2020 4:57 PM
Watcher  Contact via emailFind all comments by Watcher
Amen brother John from Wales. Too many times, we compromise and allow music in that has no business in our ears or hearts. This church is another in a long list of rebellious churches that flaunt their so-called rights in the faces of the governments that GOD (yes God) put into place. You can rebel against anything you don't agree with, but if that rule or law was sanctioned by a governmental authority, you are rebelling against God. I know there will be those here that don't agree with me, and that's fine. You have your rebellion and you'll be held accountable for it on the DAY of all days.
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News Item12/1/2020 4:32 PM
Michael Hranek | from outside the Clinic  Contact via emailFind all comments by Michael Hranek
John Lee wrote:
"the authorities arrived on the scene following reports of loud music. ..."
Quite right. There's far too much noise in the world today. And heavy metal/rock, despite being frowned upon by the majority in years gone by, is now heard every day in all sorts of circumstances, even replacing musak in supermarkets and lifts.
And with a name like "Kingdom Faith Ministries International Church" it is obviously not a Christian church, but some sort of dominionist, militant outfit, determined to blast the people into the kingdom of God with Black Sabbath, Uriah Heap, Motorhead, ZZ Top, and maybe a touch of Johnny Cash, a hint of reggae, and any other worldly music like, oh yes, Hillsong and their heavy metallers.
The music in heaven might be loud, but it will have a purity, unlike the distortion found in rock guitar. Heavenly music will be pleasant and without sin, by which I mean it will not be bent or corrupted. Just as humans will be resurrected and changed, I believe the harsh noise of things like trumpets will be purified and changed. Heaven will not be worldly.
John, Having trouble understanding you of late. Satire? Something else?
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