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FRONT PAGE  |  8/2/2021
MONDAY, NOV 9, 2020  |  34 comments
America Won’t Trust Elections Until The Voter Fraud Is Investigated
We should not be surprised at what a mess this election has become, not only because of the uncompromising nature of our current politics, but also because of the warnings we received well beforehand. President Trump has been bringing up voter fraud long before Nov. 3, and the left had been weirdly insistent that he accept the results without double-checking the entire time.

Afterward, of course, the evidence for that fraud is rapidly piling up. There has been eyewitness testimony about falsifying the postmarks on late mail-in ballots. Election observers were being harassed and kept away from the counting tables in Detroit. Software glitches have been discovered switching votes from Trump to Joe Biden in Michigan, and the same software is being used in other battleground states. ...


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News Item11/11/2020 9:33 PM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
Mike,
I think He was President elect Gore, if I recall correctly, till mid December.
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News Item11/11/2020 7:17 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
excerpt from, [Republican] "Georgia secretary of state announces hand recount of presidential race"
https://tinyurl.com/yykngt5q
This should be interesting.
Shouldn't be a problem. Al Gore had Florida recount numerous times for 37 days, until the Supreme Court said "enough" The media didn't decide the election then, and it isn't going to decide this one either.
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News Item11/11/2020 6:40 PM
Benji | North  Find all comments by Benji
Meanwhile, all the world is hilariously entertained by the American political circus.
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News Item11/11/2020 4:04 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Melissa Quinn wrote:
....
Ninety-seven counties in the state have sent in final numbers to the state, Raffensperger said, and the current margin of votes between President-elect Biden and President Trump is 14,111. He vowed that his office has been investigating, and will continue to investigate, all instances of voting irregularities.

"Every legal vote will count," he said.

Raffensperger was joined at the press conference Wednesday by elections directors from across the state, and he praised them for their work ensuring all legal votes are counted....

excerpt from, [Republican] "Georgia secretary of state announces hand recount of presidential race"

https://tinyurl.com/yykgnt5q

This should be interesting.

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News Item11/11/2020 9:49 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
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News Item11/10/2020 4:15 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
The Quiet Christian wrote:
Our Brother Watcher's theories notwithstanding (and they have some merit), I agree with our Brother Frank. Yes, the Lord establishes kings and knocks them down at His pleasure in accordance with His will, which we are further instructed is for our good. But He did not tell Samuel to annoint a President but instead is working thru our broken & tainted political system. It is up to us to work, and He through that work, brings the result. These lawsuits and investigations are a part of that process and work. When the Lord reveals whom will be the next President, it will be thru this process.
Well said brother and we totally agree. It will be interesting to see how this stuff works out. We do our duty and God determines the final results.

Praise His holy name.

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News Item11/10/2020 3:40 PM
John Lee | Wales  Find all comments by John Lee
Hello Watcher,

I'm glad you don't think I am stupid.

Rather you think I am just "full of programming that influences my thoughts and decisions accordingly".

Well if God is sovereign in the way that you believe he is sovereign, then there is nothing to be done about it.

And then you think that "it is my fault if I stay in that spot and do not attempt to search out the truth".

And then you ask "Does man have the ability to make decisions outside of God's influence?"

You see the problem? You say one thing and then immediately turn it upside down by saying something contrary.

Besides which, great tomes have been written over many centuries on the subject of God's sovereignty, and yet you expect answers to several questions about it in one small post? If I took that information to a spiritual shrink, he would brand you as quite spiritually abnormal.

p.s. I do not think that anyone who posts regularly on this forum could give a definitive and exhaustive answer to the question, "What does it mean that God is sovereign?"

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News Item11/10/2020 2:52 PM
Watcher  Find all comments by Watcher
John Lee wrote:
I know all that, Watcher. You think I'm stupid or something?
But the answer is not in hyperCalvinism or Que Sera Sera. Neither are biblical.
So then, let me ask you this: is God sovereign? Does man have the ability to make decisions outside of God's influence? When we read in scripture (John 1, Col. 1, Romans 9, Prov. 16, 21...etc.) where God runs the show, can you say that this isn't the case and we must take the reins of society to make sure the right man is put into power? Can you please clarify as to what you mean?

And by the way, I never thought you were stupid, just full of programming that influences your thoughts and decisions accordingly. It's not your fault, but it would be your fault if you stayed in that spot and not attempted to search out the truth.

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News Item11/10/2020 2:15 PM
John Lee | Wales  Find all comments by John Lee
Watcher wrote:
Please try to understand and don't read between the lines as most do. I will try to be clear. The governments of the world are corrupt. They don't care about you, only your money and subservience. They will elect whom they want to elect and there's nothing you can do to prevent that from happening. If you think you live under a democracy, then you are naive and living in a fairy tale land. There is no such thing as a democracy on earth. There never was. If you don't believe me, then try and force your MLA/Senator or elected official to work on your behalf at the risk of losing his job and you'll see what happens. I've been there and KNOW for a fact, that I mean nothing to the government. My elected representatives are nothing more than cardboard cutouts and have no power to do anything but ensure they have a long career and a good retirement fund. This is reality. Trump, Biden, or whoever are spokesmen for those they serve, and the powers that run the show on this earth will put in power he/she who will fulfill their plans accordingly.
I know all that, Watcher. You think I'm stupid or something?

But the answer is not in hyperCalvinism or Que Sera Sera. Neither are biblical.

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News Item11/10/2020 1:58 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Our Brother Watcher's theories notwithstanding (and they have some merit), I agree with our Brother Frank. Yes, the Lord establishes kings and knocks them down at His pleasure in accordance with His will, which we are further instructed is for our good. But He did not tell Samuel to annoint a President but instead is working thru our broken & tainted political system. It is up to us to work, and He through that work, brings the result. These lawsuits and investigations are a part of that process and work. When the Lord reveals whom will be the next President, it will be thru this process.
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News Item11/10/2020 1:40 PM
Watcher  Find all comments by Watcher
John Lee wrote:
Are you saying we shouldn't elect officials? That there should be no government? That it is every man for himself? I don't understand, Watcher. Please try to bring a little clarity. Thank you.
Please try to understand and don't read between the lines as most do. I will try to be clear. The governments of the world are corrupt. They don't care about you, only your money and subservience. They will elect whom they want to elect and there's nothing you can do to prevent that from happening. If you think you live under a democracy, then you are naive and living in a fairy tale land. There is no such thing as a democracy on earth. There never was. If you don't believe me, then try and force your MLA/Senator or elected official to work on your behalf at the risk of losing his job and you'll see what happens. I've been there and KNOW for a fact, that I mean nothing to the government. My elected representatives are nothing more than cardboard cutouts and have no power to do anything but ensure they have a long career and a good retirement fund. This is reality. Trump, Biden, or whoever are spokesmen for those they serve, and the powers that run the show on this earth will put in power he/she who will fulfill their plans accordingly.
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News Item11/10/2020 1:29 PM
John Lee | Wales  Find all comments by John Lee
Watcher wrote:
All I'm saying is this whole process of electing officials is a farce.
Are you saying we shouldn't elect officials? That there should be no government? That it is every man for himself? I don't understand, Watcher. Please try to bring a little clarity. Thank you.
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News Item11/10/2020 1:28 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John, James and Watcher,

Thanks for all of your comments. And my comment is not meant to be disagreeable.

I agree that God will ultimately determine who are next president is going to be. I am told to be in subjection to His choice, but I don’t have to like it, assist Him or agree with it. Just think of the Christians in NK or China. The same God determines those leaders as well. But none of us or the Christians there agree with His choice. To me it would be the same as volitionally helping the antichrist come to power. It will happen, but we will all fight against him.

But, the crime of voter fraud is something that we must ponder and fight against. It seems naïve to me to not see what took place. We should fight against all injustice and not simply stand by and say; Thy will be done. It is a crime and no one is supposedly above the law. Yeah right.

If somehow Trump wins this election there would be such carnage in this country that Trump would be forced to declare martial law and IMO, that wouldn’t even resolve it. It would finish destroying this country.

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News Item11/10/2020 1:21 PM
Watcher  Find all comments by Watcher
John Lee wrote:
Biden is not in power yet, and will not be for quite a while, maybe never. You do not know if God is ensuring fairness on earth by an investigation into corruption during the voting process. The just God does not require corruption to achieve his ends.
Find any process on earth that isn't tainted with corruption and selfishness and I'll eat my hat. Don't be naive. EVERYTHING in this world is tainted with self. Trump will be ousted eventually, even taking into account his temper tantrums. I don't support either, so don't think I'm some sort of Biden supporter. All I'm saying is this whole process of electing officials is a farce. It always has been and always will be. It's just another way the gov't has lied to the people.
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News Item11/10/2020 1:02 PM
John Lee | Wales  Find all comments by John Lee
Frank wrote:
Well, this American will never trust elections again!
We are becoming like so many 3rd world counties; lawlessness, rioting and now election fraud. And of course a Harris/Biden presidency will assure of us of socialism.
I wonder who Harris' pick will be for her VP?
Come quickly Lord Jesus, come quickly.
Yes I agree Frank. Unless a way is found (modern man is such a clever dicky, he can surely work something out) to hold elections securely and without corruption, then no-one will accept the result of an election, and the whole process may have to come to an end, for lack of honest people to run it. It may even pave the way for a dictatorship or civil war.
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News Item11/10/2020 12:56 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John Lee wrote:
Biden is not in power yet, and will not be for quite a while, maybe never. You do not know if God is ensuring fairness on earth by an investigation into corruption during the voting process. The just God does not require corruption to achieve his ends.
There was very little corruption, we just have to have a leader who can't accept the fact that the majority of people not only didn't want him in the office of president, but this time the majority will have the electoral votes to replace him--if the election isn't stolen from them ❗

He certainly is an inspiration!

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News Item11/10/2020 12:35 PM
John Lee | Wales  Find all comments by John Lee
Watcher wrote:
Biden is in power not because of voting corruption, but because God said so.
Biden is not in power yet, and will not be for quite a while, maybe never. You do not know if God is ensuring fairness on earth by an investigation into corruption during the voting process. The just God does not require corruption to achieve his ends.
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News Item11/10/2020 12:21 PM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
I understand how you feel Bro Frank and my confidence can only be restored when clear evidence apart from the media bias can be produced.

The truth is The media-elect Biden admin. Has not won a thing.

I cannot imagine the unrest that would come when the SC rules out the illegal vote in Penn, AZ comes in for Trump, and GA's recount includes only legitimate votes.

If you thought the left was unhinged before....

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News Item11/10/2020 12:11 PM
Watcher  Find all comments by Watcher
Frank wrote:
Well, this American will never trust elections again!
We are becoming like so many 3rd world counties; lawlessness, rioting, and now election fraud. And of course, a Harris/Biden presidency will assure of us of socialism.
Come quickly Lord Jesus, come quickly.
I cannot understand anyone trusting in elections or the voting process. Can one be so naive to believe that their vote will make a difference when who is elected and who is ousted has already been decided not just by God, but by the powers that run the show in society? It would be willful ignorance to not believe that powerful individuals are pulling the strings behind the scenes to make their plans come to fruition. Biden is in power not because of voting corruption, but because God said so. God placed Trump in power and now He has decided to replace him with Biden. Stop kicking against the pricks everyone and submit to God's plan for your country. You asked for Trump you got him, now it's Biden's turn to dish out some discipline. Hopefully, the church smartens up and humbles itself in the sight of God and begs for mercy.
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News Item11/10/2020 12:04 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Well, this American will never trust elections again!

We are becoming like so many 3rd world counties; lawlessness, rioting and now election fraud. And of course a Harris/Biden presidency will assure of us of socialism.

I wonder who Harris' pick will be for her VP?

Come quickly Lord Jesus, come quickly.

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