B. McCausland wrote: Brothers John and Chris, Nice to hear from you both. Perhaps through the so called 'pandemic' God is fulfilling his plans in our day.
Hello sister, and good to hear from you also.
Yes, I do not see any other possible explanation. Is this not true for each and every thing that happens? That our God either ordains it or permits it? _______
Chris, my apologies for being so dumb. Let me rephrase it
"Chris, it's not going to happen. You know it, I know it. The church is backslidden and mostly apostate. Why live in a dream world of historic Christianity? You are called to live for Jesus no matter what the circumstances. Would you rather have been born in first century Israel? Would you have preferred to have been an apostle and actually and really been killed for following Christ?"
Brothers John and Chris, Nice to hear from you both.
Perhaps through the so called 'pandemic' God is fulfilling his plans in our day. There have been for a long while many strains of evangelical Christianity that needed finished off, and many others, needed hard pruning. It might be the case as in the time of old, that His ears had tired off empty praise. See Isaiah 1:10-14 Perhaps the happenings are His design, yet when all is fulfilled real culprits might not escape accountability.
Chris, your informative insight about the name Palestine is interesting.
"Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, ... like unto Gomorrah. Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah. To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. When ye come to appear before me, who has required this at your hand, to tread my courts? Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with ... I am weary to bear them ..."
Another thing, there is no such place as Palestine. That name was given contemptuously to Israel, (it is the Latin form of Philistia, referring to an old defunct enemy of Israel from the Old Testament days that was defeated by king David), as an insult by Emperor Hadrian in AD 135, after the failed Jewish rebellion by Rabbi Akiva and the false â€śMessiah â€śGeneral Bar Cochba, (Emperors Titus and his father Vespasian had already sacked Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple in AD 70). Emperor Hadrian destroyed most of Jerusalem, renamed it Aelia Capitolina, and erected a Temple of Zeus on the ruined Temple Mount, later replaced by a Byzantine Church, and after by the Moslem Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa Mosque. There has never been a state of Palestine, or a Palestinian people, and after the destruction of Jerusalem, it was never the capital of anything until 1948, and confirmed by the victory of the Israeli Armed Forces in 1967. The â€śPalestiniansâ€ť are Arabs, and were not called â€śPalestiniansâ€ť until the late 1960â€™s when Yasser Arafat and his PLO, took over the Arab claims from Jordan. Israel is the proper name, not Palestine, which is an entirely artificial name.
Also a very large number of medical doctors and scientists have cast doubt on the official figures and tactics for controlling COVID19 such as persistent lockdowns, universal mask wearing, sometimes outdoors as well as indoors, even social distancing, accompanied by draconian legal measures and restrictions of a dictatorial secretarial nature, and have suggested a much more targeted approach, despite being censored by governments and popular media. The official charts major in â€ścasesâ€ť, the official test is very flawed, detecting very old infections of things like flu and bad colds for a â€śpositiveâ€ť result. Dr Gupta, Professor Heneghan, Dr Bhattacharya, and the Swedish national epidemiologist, Dr Stegner, I think), have a much better strategy, that needs closer examination and consideration.
Chrisgp from England wrote: The church should have the same attitude of the 16th, 17th and 19th century believers who refused to let the state direct their worship!!!
Chris, it's not going to happen. You know it, I know it. The church is backslidden and mostly apostate. Why live in a dream world of historic Christianity? You are called to live for Jesus no matter what the circumstances. Would you rather have been born in first century Palestine? Would you have preferred to have been an apostle and actually and really been killed for following Christ?
You have your life, get on with it and stop your grumbling. Obey scripture and "take no thought for the morrow". God has already formulated history, and it will all come to pass, even though you try your best to prevent it. Will you prevent God from carrying out his will?
You say, "You may wish to stay with your mask on in your bunker for the rest of your life and watch online services only, but that is not how God ordained the church to behave."
Ahem....you have no idea what I am doing, brother, in the will of God, and your comment is both ludicrous and hurtful. But of course I forgive you, why shouldn't I? I love you as a brother.
No John Lee from Wales. You have swallowed the narrative that your First Minister, and the â€śscientific vulturesâ€ť here in England are selling, with the help of the BBC and the Labour Party. Lockdown is disastrous for everyone, the official figures are cobbled together and made up on the hoof, and there is no evidence, I repeat no evidence that churches have contributed to COVID19 infections. You may wish to stay with your mask on in your bunker for the rest of your life and watch online services only, but that is not how God ordained the church to behave. The Wuhan virus was manufactured in a laboratory and released, the Word Economic Forum with its â€śGreat Resetâ€ť, WHO, (who keep contradicting their own advice), the UN with its Agenda 2021 and 2030 for population control and reduction because of â€śclimate changeâ€ť, and people like Bill Gates and George Soros, are ramping the COVID 19 scare for their own nefarious purposes. This is not conspiracy theory, they have stated it clearly on their own websites. The church should have the same attitude of the 16th, 17th and 19th century believers who refused to jet the state direct their worship!!!
I wonder if some of these Christian leaders want to bump off some members of their congregations secretly, by exposing them to Covid19 virus. Maybe they have some awkward elderly members who they wish to 'disappear'. At least the guv is trying to save their lives.
The latest is that yesterday the two â€śscientific vulturesâ€ť, Professor Whitty and Dr Vallance appeared before a committee of the House of Commons to explain their figures, and they had to admit with regard to the closure of churches that there was really no evidence why they should be closed. The full House votes today, and unfortunately the measure will be carried because the opportunistic Labour Party â€śoppositionâ€ť will support the PM on this one, but many of his own MPs are deeply upset about the lockdown. Wales is soon coming out of its â€śfire breakâ€ť lockdown, and the churches there have petitioned the leftist Labour First Minister there, Mark Drakeford, not to close the churches again, while here in England, 1,000 pastors have written to PM Johnson, to reconsider the closure of churches during the supposedly 4 week lockdown, which apparently is due to expire on 2nd December. Legal action is being considered if not, and MPs will insist on another vote in December about any extension to the lockdown.
At last. The churches in Britain were completely closed down during the 1st lockdown in March, (â€śjust 3 weeks to flatten the curveâ€ť, which turned into 4 months, even though the curve was long flattened). Deafening silence from the churches, and even overzealous rules from some like the Anglican bishops forbidding online services from the church buildings. Nothing at all from evangelicals. Finally â€śprivate prayerâ€ť permitted in June, end of, and then under very stringent conditions, services allowed in July. Some churches insisted on masks for a couple of weeks before they were made compulsory, no singing bans, (later slightly modified for a soloist or spaced choir behind a screen), no social fellowship, taping off seats, loud notices, no one to sit together outside their bubble, no communion or baptism,(or interfered with), no church weddings or funerals, (later on permitted as private services under strict conditions), and continued closure of many other things, and all this after a 32 page or so â€śrisk assessmentâ€ť to be produced!! Later due to tier restrictions and Rule of Six, even more restrictions. Then suddenly, first in Wales, then in England, no services again. Everything done to comply. Praise the Lord, both in Wales and now in England churches are rising up and saying â€śEn