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Choice News MONDAY, SEP 24, 2018  |  67 comments  |  2 commentaries
Mega-pastor: Ten Commandments no longer applicable

A mega-pastor of one of the largest “evangelical” churches in the U.S. is attacking the Old Testament again, this time insisting Jesus rendered the Ten Commandments null and void, issuing one new law “as a replacement for everything.”

Andy Stanley, pastor of the 34,000-member North Point Community Church in suburban Atlanta, who famously advised his flock to “unhitch” from the Old Testament in a sermon last spring, has now penned an article promoting his new book saying laws such as “Thou shalt have no other gods before me” and “Thou shalt not kill” are no longer relevant to Christians living in the New Covenant era.

“You’ve heard the story before: A group of Christians puts up a monument of the Ten Commandments in a public space or on government property,” begins Stanley in his article titled, “Why do Christians want to post the Ten Commandments and not the Sermon on the Mount?” “Someone says ...


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News Item10/1/18 9:14 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
I think, Jim, we have come full circle. The passage from Matthew 22 can be seen as a summary of the Ten Commandments. The Greatest Commandment takes in Exodus 20:3-11. The other like unto it takes in Exodus 20:12-17. Note the difference, though, in the positive aspects of Matthew "love" against the negative "shalt nots" from Exodus.

You will find little wisdom in different views of which are the Ten Commandments. That's not worth your time, lest you be further confused.

If one seeks to follow those two commandments that Jesus had in His response, that person quickly finds that he is not seeking after other gods, worshipping idols, taking the Lord's name in vain, or profaning the Sabbath (we use the Christian Lord's day -- Acts 20:7, Revelation 1:10). He is also in appropriate submission to his parents (and other authorities, while exercising his own authority well -- Ephesians 5:21-6:9), not murdering in word or action, not in sexual immorality of any kind, not stealing, not lying to or about his neighbor, and not coveting his neighbor's.

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News Item10/1/18 2:53 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Rabbi Marc Gellman
wrote:

Q: Why are there different "versions" of the 10 Commandments? Is there an "authentic" version? — P., via cyberspace

A: There's only one version of the Ten Commandments and it's in the Bible in two places (Exodus 20:1-14 and Deuteronomy 5:6-18). However, there are two different traditions of how to count the big 10, and I don't agree with either of them. There's a Jewish, a Christian and a Gellman way of counting, and I'll let you guess which one I prefer....

excerpt from, "The God Squad: Obey the Ten Commandments — all nine of them"

[ https://tinyurl.com/y8lbaauh ]

I know myself and other Christians would not agree on the nine that he hasâť—

All Christians should agree on the two Commandmentsđź‘Ť

Matthew 22:36-40
Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law? And he said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.---ESV

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News Item10/1/18 2:41 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
'Sing to the Lord', your post causes me to sing to the Lord.
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News Item10/1/18 12:40 AM
Sing to the Lord  Find all comments by Sing to the Lord
Dear Unprofitable servant, I can't believe Andy Stanley and his statements to not follow the 10 commandments. He is so wrong! May God help him turn from his sin. Here are the verses that support that we still need to follow the 10 commandments according to the New Testament.Eph. 4:25 says don't lie. Mark 1:21-25 and Mark 2:27 and28 Honor the Sabboth.Eph. 6:1 Children obey parents. Eph.4:28 don't steal. GAL.5:14 LOVE Your neighbor as yourself.Gal. 5:16 don't fulfil the lust of the flesh.Gal. 5:19-21 says don't commit adultery or fornication or idolatry or witchcraft or murder or jealousy or heresies or envy. Gal. 6:8 says he who soweth to the flesh will reap corruption. Gal 5:22-23 describes a Christian. Gal. Says that if you break the laws listed in the 10 commandments you will not inherit the kingdom of God. I hope this helps you and Stanley. Anyone who teaches his church to ignore the 10 commandments is not reading his Bible. The New Testament is clear. We are living in an evil day with much corruption all around that destroys. We must put on the whole armour of God that we may be able to stand against the wiles of the Devil. Praying for you that God will reveal Himself to you and bring us and our nation to our knees humbly. MUCH PEACE MY FRIEND!
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News Item9/28/18 2:11 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John MacArthur wrote:
....
He [Jesus] says in Matthew, chapter 5, that He did not come to set aside the law, but to fulfill the law. He said in Matthew, chapter 3, that He came to fulfill all righteousness. So in Christ, you have the perfect, the perfect person, the perfect obedience to the law of God. He kept every divine precept, fulfilled every expression of the will of God. That’s what we read in chapter 7. He was separate from sinners. He was holy, innocent, undefiled. He kept the law. So now the law appears in a visible, tangible human being....

...The answer comes in verse 12 of Hebrews 8. Here’s part of the new covenant from Jeremiah 31: “I will be merciful to their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.” That’s a new covenant....

...We are God’s people, He is our God, because His law has been put into our minds and written on our hearts. The law in Adam’s heart was loved and obeyed. The law in Moses’ stone was rebelled against. The law again in Christ’s life perfectly obeyed. And now the law in us is loved and cherished and delighted in and obeyed imperfectly....

excerpt from: " Christ Fulfills the Law "

[ https://tinyurl.com/y78lpay3 ]

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News Item9/28/18 12:14 AM
Patriarch | Up North  Find all comments by Patriarch
Matthew 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Jesus said it! I don’t think that it can be any plainer than that!
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News Item9/27/18 8:44 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
John UK Wrote:
"It's no good saying, "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path", if there is no intention of obeying all the will of God found in his word."
Hi John, so simple, but so true. Reminds me of my own self once upon a time when I truly believed that I could pretty much live as I pleased, because I was all set, and Heaven-bound, regardless.
I'm also reminded of Matthew 7:22-23:
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
I'm also reminded of people who profess Christ; claiming that they are all about Him, for Him, love Him, are dedicated to Him, and generally say all of the right things, but are bigots, white and black, who somehow rationalize and justify their hatred while still claiming to be born from above.
Aye aye
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News Item9/26/18 5:23 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:"

Quote:
"The subject is one which is of immense importance. It is not too much to say that the prosperity or decay of English Christianity depends on the maintenance of the Christian Sabbath. Break down the fence which now surrounds the Sunday, and our Sunday-schools will soon come to an end. Let in the flood of worldliness and dissipation on the Lord’s day, without check or hindrance, and our congregations will soon dwindle away. There is not too much religion in the land now. Destroy the sanctity of the Sabbath, and there would soon be far less. Nothing, in short, I believe, would so thoroughly advance the kingdom of Satan in England, as to withdraw legal protection from the Lord’s day. It would be a joy to the infidel; but it would be an insult and offence to God."
(J C Ryle: Knots Untied)

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News Item9/26/18 11:51 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
That Pastor is wrong. All the Ten Commandments are applicable except for the one pertaining to keeping the Sabbath. Christians are not supposed to keep the Seventh Day Sabbath.
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News Item9/26/18 6:51 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
John UK Wrote:
"It's no good saying, "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path", if there is no intention of obeying all the will of God found in his word."

Hi John, so simple, but so true. Reminds me of my own self once upon a time when I truly believed that I could pretty much live as I pleased, because I was all set, and Heaven-bound, regardless.

I'm also reminded of Matthew 7:22-23:

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I'm also reminded of people who profess Christ; claiming that they are all about Him, for Him, love Him, are dedicated to Him, and generally say all of the right things, but are bigots, white and black, who somehow rationalize and justify their hatred while still claiming to be born from above.

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News Item9/26/18 5:58 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Sing to the Lord wrote:
Dear Unprofitable servant, I can see my question to you was removed. I would like to share with you my view concerning the 10 commandments. I believe that all of the 10 commandments are spoken of in the New testament. Would you like me to find Bible verses from the n
New Testament to support the 10 commandments. There is no way you can say that we are allowed to commit murder. How do you justify what you are saying?
For you and the Quiet Christian, I have said nothing of the relevance of the the 10 commandments. I have already mentioned I have not read Jim's quotes. If Jim is to be corrected in his thinking for being unbiblical it should not be done with something that is also unbiblical is all that I am getting at. What you suggest is would be great about the New Testament verses, that would be Biblical. Thanks
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News Item9/26/18 4:44 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Rebellion against the Commander is a symptom of the sinful nature. In the unregenerate the sinful nature holds sway; in the regenerate the sinful nature's domination is broken, but it is still there.

Anyone performing an unbiblical practice is rebelling against the Commander. And those who seek to live the superspiritual life without recourse to God's word, will find that their sinful nature will rise up and take them down the wrong road. Analyse the life of any Christian and you will find this is the case.

It's no good saying, "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path", if there is no intention of obeying all the will of God found in his word.

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News Item9/26/18 1:16 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Jamieson, Fawcett, and Brown wrote:
Galatians 3:24. "So that the law hath been (that is, hath turned out to be) our schoolmaster (or "tutor," literally, "pedagogue": this term, among the Greeks, meant a faithful servant entrusted with the care of the boy from childhood to puberty, to keep him from evil, physical and moral, and accompany him to his amusements and studies) to guide us unto Christ,"...

...The moral law shows us what we ought to do, and so we learn our inability to do it. In the ceremonial law we seek, by animal sacrifices, to answer for our not having done it, but find dead victims no satisfaction for the sins of living men, and that outward purifying will not cleanse the soul; and that therefore we need an infinitely better Sacrifice, the antitype of all the legal sacrifices. Thus delivered up to the judicial law, we see how awful is the doom we deserve: thus the law at last leads us to Christ, with whom we find righteousness and peace. "Sin, sin! is the word heard again and again in the Old Testament. Had it not there for centuries rung in the ear, and fastened on the conscience, the joyful sound, "grace for grace," would not have been the watchword of the New Testament. This was the end of the whole system of sacrifices" [THOLUCK].
[/QUO

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News Item9/25/18 11:48 PM
Sing to the Lord  Find all comments by Sing to the Lord
Dear Unprofitable servant, I can see my question to you was removed. I would like to share with you my view concerning the 10 commandments. I believe that all of the 10 commandments are spoken of in the New testament. Would you like me to find Bible verses from the n
New Testament to support the 10 commandments. There is no way you can say that we are allowed to commit murder. How do you justify what you are saying?
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News Item9/25/18 11:11 PM
Sing to the Lord  Find all comments by Sing to the Lord
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News Item9/25/18 10:57 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
The problem I see, US, is that you either want a firm Scriptural basis or silence. I cannot be silent when parts of the Bible are being cut out. There are reasons that the Ten Commandments are still valid in the life of Christians. For you, sir, my warrant is 2 Timothy 3:16.

Whether you like Reformed theology or not is immaterial in my book. That happens to be how I view things, and perhaps I was in error for not disclosing my bias up front. Yes, this construction is from a Reformed standpoint. But no one has superseded the Law. Is it completed? Parts. Lifegiving? Never was. Applicable and worthy of study by Christians today? Absolutley. Used by te3 Holy Spirit to continue that work He has started? Absolutely, see 2 Timothy 3:16.

So, I have every right and duty to tell Jim and anyone else that the Ten Commandments are still applicable to my, his, your, and everyone's life.

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News Item9/25/18 10:13 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
The Quiet Christian wrote:
Yup, you got it, US. There is no breakdown found in Scripture that bins parts of the Law into three different categories. That does not mean such a construction is in error, but certainly is not an infallible concept being not specifically delineated in Scripture. But the shadow of that concept is woven throughout the moral pieces from the Prophets and Apostles.
There are a number of commentaries written about this concept. This one seems passable, if sharing links doesn't make me as guilty as Jim:
http://www.reformedreader.org/rbb/reisinger/lawandgospel/chapter06.htm
Judging by your link you are saying it is not found in Scripture but it is found in Reformed teaching. I have read none of Jim's posts so I am not siding with anything he said. But your argument against him is by your own admission is unscriptural. If you are going to argue that the only law that Christ fulfilled is "ceremonial" you better have more than what boils to down simply Reformed theology succinctly stated by Mr. Reisinger. He is welcome to his thoughts, you are welcome to yours, but don't tell Jim it is what saith the Scripture when even Ernie admitted it was not a distinction found in Scripture. Thank you.
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News Item9/25/18 9:44 PM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Yup, you got it, US. There is no breakdown found in Scripture that bins parts of the Law into three different categories. That does not mean such a construction is in error, but certainly is not an infallible concept being not specifically delineated in Scripture. But the shadow of that concept is woven throughout the moral pieces from the Prophets and Apostles.

There are a number of commentaries written about this concept. This one seems passable, if sharing links doesn't make me as guilty as Jim:

http://www.reformedreader.org/rbb/reisinger/lawandgospel/chapter06.htm

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News Item9/25/18 7:00 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
It is looking like the best answer to my question is to avoid it all together A distinction has been made about the law that is nowhere found in Scripture but you are going to lecture Jim about not following the Scripture???
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News Item9/25/18 3:15 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
"First, the high standards for sabbath sanctification set forth by the Puritans and pretwentieth century Presbyterians are simply reflections of what the Bible teaches regarding the fourth commandment. A study of the Puritan and Presbyterian works on the Sabbath (until the infiltration of modernism and dispensationalism) reveals a striking uniformity of thought on the subject. The teaching of the Westminster Standards (and 1689 Baptist Conf) on the Sabbath was arrived at by the careful exegesis of Scripture; that exegesis was sound and has yet to be refuted."

Second, the idea (common in our day) that the Puritan view of the Sabbath must be wrong because it is so difficult could easily be applied to any of God’s commandments"

"It is not an accident that the great decline of Lord’s-day observance has occurred at the same time that unbelief, apostasy and wickedness have permeated western culture."
(Brian Schwertley)
http://www.reformedonline.com/uploads/1/5/0/3/15030584/christian_sabbath.pdf

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