...and thanks, Dave...ditto to you. I hope we can all move past this now that everything has been layed out. I think anyone knows that they can always call me out on anything at all and I'll always consider it seriously. Sometimes I'm dead wrong, and other times I might just need to clarify something, etc. I'm a work in progress...under construction, and always welcome constructive criticism.
John Yurich USA wrote: Where do I twist scripture? I believe about salvation the way that Baptist Church I attend on Sunday mornings believes about salvation as it states in their Statement of Faith that salvation comes only through accepting Jesus as ones Savior and putting ones trust entirely in Him alone for salvation. Look up the Statement of Faith of that Baptist Church to shut you up that they don't preach the biblical doctrine of salvation. The website address for that Baptist Church is www.rolchastings.org.
So are you saying you attend this church and are personally known to the staff and congregation?
Does Senior Pastor - ¬†Steve Schoenwald hold to your ecumenical views and does he even know about them? Does he know you are seeking a RC wife? If so what does he advise out of interest?
Ladybug wrote: "...How great is that necessity for others here as well?"
Thanks Ladybug, and yes, every one of us should examine ourselves daily, and with an open mind. We will never reach a day when we've attained personal perfection. I know I have far and long to go and am well aware of my shortcomings.
Continual defense of a dead religion is just as disturbing 'stever'. Your desire to push ecumenism isn't overshadowed by JA's issues. It is equally dangerous to promote unity with a religion that leads sinners down the broad road.
You also defend John Y., who is either very unstable or delights in being a troll. Yet, you claim JA is 'seriously messed up'?
Yes, I pray God will cause JA and her hubby to examine their own hearts. How great is that necessity for others here as well?
There are those on this very forum who have suffered at the hands of abuse and live in shame, carrying this terrible secret with them through life. Silence doesn't mean apathy, and rest assured that there's not one single person here who doesn't care about those who were hurt, or are being hurt. There's not one single person here who isn't disgusted by the churches coverup or the criminal priests who damaged so many lives.
Thanks BM, I'm not quite sure what you said, but think I get the jist. I tried speaking directly to June, even though what I said was upsetting, but I spoke directly. I would have continued on with a conversation but realized I was being ignored. Yes, these situations on a Christian populated forum are disheartening, hence my apology.
As it happens often in these boards, matters get defunct due to the sin of murmuring or backbiting. This is speaking evil of A to B, instead of speaking to A directly in love if it needs be, though often no words are better than self-centered words. If this ill trend should be fought against, many hurts and falling-outs would be prevented
Scriptures present examples of the displeasure such sin invites:
E.g. "Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married ... And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them ... and .. Miriam became leprous" Nm 12
"LORD, who shall ... dwell in thy holy hill? ... He that backbites not with his tongue, .. nor takes up a reproach against his neighbour" Ps 15
"Speak not evil one of another, brethren" Js 4:11
"Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed" ICo 10:10
"The Jews .. murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven. ... Jesus ... answered, Murmur not among yourselves" Jh 6:43 _
Of great value:
"Even a fool, when he holds his peace, is counted wise: and he that shuts his lips is esteemed a man of understanding"
"In the multitude of words there wants not sin: but he that refrains his lips is wise" Pr 17:28 & 10:19
By the way, Lurker...I don't want to gloss over the very private bit of information you laid out. I think it takes a very strong person to admit what you did, and it just goes to show the healing Christ has done in your life. Most live a lifetime of shame and it causes problems for them because they spend their lives hiding a terrible secret, feeling like they can't tell anyone. I can see now how close June's topic is to your heart, and it works to prove that silence isn't necessarily apathy.
From the bottom of my heart, I'm sorry for even speaking up. Not so much because I feel I was wrong to, but I didn't want anyone else to face anything negative. I was hoping June and myself could discuss it, and the last thing I wanted to do was to offend her husband, but knew that was inevitable. I feel like there's a strong disconnect and it's simply a matter of seeing things through very different eyes. Sorry everyone. You all know me as well as you can, and know that I don't come out hard like that unless something really slaps me in the face or I feel like I someone's being treated unfairly. Again, my apologies to everyone for the deleted content, the negativity, and to you as well, June, for finding my comments offensive. I thought I layed things out neatly, but maybe could have chosen softer wording.
I would lay my life on the line for brother lurker and brother Christopher. I know they'd give their lives for their love of the truth, honestly. Let's not shoot the good guy's, You might end up stuck here having to learn English from me. Likewise I believe your hearts are after the will of god in your lives, Ralph and June that is. I've opened my big Vegemite stained mouth all to many times, against the wrong people, I pray you can start again.
Things have gone south haven't they? May God intervene and cause the Normans to do some self examination. We all must ask God to search our hearts, and when He does, it's certain we will not like what He brings to light.
Let us defend truth, but, not at the expense of attacking and accusing the brethren.
"He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?"
RalphNorman wrote: Lurker is a most appropriate name for you! Get off your high horse. I read my wife's comments and there was nothing remotely offensive in them. She said nothing wrong. Four fingers pointing back at you. You bring shame to God and to His redeemed on this comment board by your haughty spirit and pharisee-like words, which I find extremely offensive and obnoxious. I've read your comments and they speak volumes about your heart. No good treasure there. Contrary to what you think, you are no "theologian". Physician heal thyself. Follow your own advice . . "Perhaps some prayer closet time is in order."
Thanks for your comment, Ralph.
It provides the readers of this comment board a glance into the thoughts and intent of your heart.
Christopher000 wrote: Hi June, there is a stark difference between your comment and Dave's, with the difference being the blanket statement made against all of the men on this forum. That wasn't only unfair and offensive, but it was inaccurate.
I was disappointed to see your earlier comment removed. I read it, as well as all of JA's comments before they were removed, and you said nothing wrong. Knowing you, my guess is you requested it to be removed not wanting to offend anyone.
That said, JA needs to search her heart to make sure she is actually following God's lead or if she is out in front expecting God to follow her. I've said before that I respect her calling but she fails to recognize that the body of Christ has many members each with their own calling.
Personally, I could speak out against the RCC child molestation since I was molested by a Pentecostal itinerant preacher as a young adolescent but that is not what God called me to do. I answer to God, not JA.
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JA, you brought shame to God and to His redeemed on the comment board. Perhaps some prayer closet time is in order.
Ok, my fault, sorry to all. May I clarify, Ralph and June, love ya work and completely get your angle regarding all you do. Now most of the older folks I've mentioned have confronted a particular person on his false religious system, I promise you. And I truly reckon only one person on here finds humour in joking about the whole thing, I truly believe all on here would confront and eliminate all pedophiles. God bless