2/3's Americans Believe Cohabitation Before Marriage is Good
Nearly two-thirds of American adults believe it's a good idea to live with one's significant other before they get married as they see it as a rite of passage, according to a new report by The Barna Group.
The report, called Barna Trends 2017, shows that 65 percent of American adults say cohabitation is a good idea, compared to 35 percent who believe it's not a good thing. And 57 percent say they either currently or have previously lived with their boyfriend or girlfriend.
Couples like to live together not just for convenience or cost-saving, but almost all adults see it as a rite of passage in the path to marriage, the study says. As many as 84 percent say the major reason for cohabitation is to test compatibility, while 62 percent say it did not reduce or increase the pressure to get married. Only 18 percent say it increased pressure....
That excerpt, Jim, is intellectual garbage, it is vague, not true, uses generalizations, the whole article is filled with false assumptions, not a lot of documentation if I recall, straw mans, and is a mess.
I don't know who Phil Johnson is, sounds like the old coach for the Lakers, so I'll reserve judgment on him, I will say that I'm not trying to fix America's moral problem, that's not my goal, as a disciple of Jesus, my desire is that God would be glorified, and that His Son's name would be known among the heathen, that His Spirit would convict the world of sin, righteousness and judgment.
In the material I pass out that could be labeled, "pro life material" it has the gospel, shouldn't all disciples of Jesus desire that His church be built?
I think this shows you how far the US culture has strayed from any notion of what the Bible teaches, though it does not surprise me that Barna is the source of this study. Maybe no college sociology department is interested in doing it. Barna's studies usually show negative things for the organized church, which may be why he wrote a book about a revolution in how churches are organizing. I do not blame the messenger because I think the study is right. It is like a headwind into which the traditional teachings of chastity and purity have to go. Dave Ramsey, Christian financial advisor and the third highest rated talk show host in the US, speaks against this every time he runs across it. Who knows if it makes any difference--after all, if you can get the milk for free, why pay for the cow? So people will do whatever they want, despite his advice. Another aspect of this is the decreasing value young people place on sexual purity, but some could argue--with all the divorce out there, no wonder they do not have faith in the value of marriage, a piece of paper notarized by some govt official?
1 Corinthians 6 9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]
It certainly applies to both parties, It's more often than [URL=http://jesusnorepublican.org/gopcorruption.html]]]The Record of Republican Corruption[/URL]
I don't pretend that the Greedy Old Party is God's party! and of course neither is the Democrats.
I use John MacArthur's quotes (and he supports --proper-- action in the political field by Christians, have you ever read? [URL=http://tinyurl.com/hwy283u]]]http://tinyurl.com/hwy283u (The Deadly Dangers of Moralism)[/URL]
Hmm, I'll make it easy for the Dominionists.
Romans 8 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so; 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]
The people of the SA article don't pay attention to hypocrites!
You can't have it both ways Jim L, you cannot push your liberal left agenda, then quote P. Johnson, as though he and JM were Christ Himself. I wonder if you ever think for yourself or study God's word for yourself? It would appear not.
Most know there's no difference in political parties, yet you try to distinguish between them as if there were. Too bad your zeal is misplaced - on the things of man and not the things of God. Remember what Christ stated, 'Ye must be born again'.
Ah, very well, Frank, and Conner, but when you have,
Phil Johnson wrote: ...Americaâs moral decline has accelerated dramatically since evangelicals became politically aggressive in the late 1970s....they have been remarkably ineffective when it comes to using politics to reverse Americaâs moral and spiritual decline. In fact, if you measure their success or failure according to their own stated political ambitions, evangelicals have failed spectacularly in Americaâs political arena. Over the past quarter-century, they have not accomplished any of their long-term legislative or constitutional goals.
Worst of all, during that same period of time, the evangelical movement has completely lost its spiritual influence, because the evangelical segment of the church has grown increasingly worldly. Evangelicals have become accustomed to compromise. They have abandoned (or else are in the process of abandoning) virtually all the doctrinal distinctives that made them distinct from Roman Catholics and nominal Christians whose faith amounts to a kind of civil religion. Evangelicals have pretty much forfeited whatever real moral and spiritual authority their movement ever had.
excerpt from [URL=http://tinyurl.com/hbtgqek]]]Politically Incorrect?[/URL]
Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Ephesians 4:18 - Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
Matthew 13:14-15 - And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive
Many of us, me included, often note the immorality of homosexual relationships, but fail to see the heterosexual immorality that is all around us. We have become hardened to it. We should speak out against all immorality - period.
The more out of wedlock sex; the more venereal diseases and of course more abortions, single moms, etc.
" it is a subtle feeling or sense that maybe God is calling me to serve as a brother, sister, permanent deacon, religious priest, or diocesan priest. Each is a specific call and requires its own unique discernment. But it definitely needs to be checked out."
"1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;...3Forbidding to marry, "1Tim.4-
My Dear brother or sister in Jesus Christ. Please know i mean no offense but only come out of love. Always remember Our Lord and our GOD is infinitely and all sufficient in all things He is Perfect and complete. He does not learn or need too, He is the Creator we are finite creatures, created in His Image. But because of the fall of adam we are tainted by sin. There our hearts are corrupted in all of our thoughts, words, or deeds is dead in sin. Â âThe heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it? Jeremiah 17:9 NASB. The Holy Spirit carried these men of GOD to speak the Word of GOD, which is final authority. We must take heed and tremble at these words. Because the devil is very crafty in all what he does and knows scripture very well to twist it to his advantage please be watchful our Sovereign GOD and savior knows all, His word guide us and protect us. Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.Â But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world. - 1 Peter 5:8-9 Gal 5:19 Eph 4:19 Eph 5:3 1thes 4:3-7 1peter 4:1-3 Rev 2 :14-16 Rev 2:20 Rev 2:21-23 1cor 7:9
Solid Christian marriages are built on commitment, not compatibility. Commitment to God and commitment to each other. Anything else is inferior, fragile and prone to breakage. Never enter a marriage with the idea that divorce is a option.
Ignominious Emirakan wrote: [URL=/False%20Doctrines/sacraments_heresy.htm]]]Sacraments are heresy[/URL] Water Baptism and the Lord's Supper were only established as ordinances in the Bible. Water Baptism is one's public profession of faith in the Lord. Water Baptism is NOT a requirement for salvation (1st Corinthians 1:17). We are saved simply by faith in Jesus as the Christ, the Son of God. John 20:31 plainly teaches, âBut these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name" [URL=/False%20Doctrines/sacraments.htm]]]Sacraments Unbiblical[/URL]
Generations of sound Christians disagree
WCF. Q 93. Which are the sacraments of the New Testament? A. The sacraments of the New Testament are, baptism, and the Lordâs Supper.
Marriage is to be held in (1 honor) among all, and the (2 marriage bed) is to be (3 undefiled); for (4 fornicators) and. ( 5 adulterers) God will judge. - Hebrews 13:4 NASB
1 Held in Honor in the greek it means: ÏÎ¯Î¼Î¹Î¿Ï timios precious; valued, costly or honored, esteemed, beloved dear honorable, precious, had in reputation. adjective, nominative, singular, masculine
2 Marriage Bed in the greek means: ÎºÎ¿Î¯ÏÎ· koitÄ bed; conception, cohabitation by implication the male sperm bed chambering conceive noun, nominative, singular, feminine
3 Undefiled in the greek means: á¼Î¼Î¯Î±Î½ÏÎ¿Ï amiantos undefiled, unspoiled pure, undefiled adjective, nominative, singular, feminine
4 fornicators in the greek means: ÏÏÏÎ½Î¿Ï Ï pornous: sexually immoral person, a male or female prostitute as corrupt and dishonorable, a debauchee, whoremonger and (libertine)definition: a person, especially a man or women, who behaves without moral principles or a sense of responsibility, especially in sexual matters. (noun, accusative, plural, masculine)
5 Adulterers in the greek means: (Î¼Î¿Î¹ÏÎ¿á½ºÏ moichous): adulterer, apostate (paramour) definition: a lover, especially the illicit partner of a married person. noun, accusative, plural, masculine
Mark 7:6-7, âHe answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.â
Sacraments are NOT taught in the Bible. The Catholic Church is infamous for their unscriptural Seven Sacraments, which they mandate for salvation in the Catholic faith. If you don't perform these Sacrament in the Catholic religion, then you cannot go to Heaven according to Catholic heresies.
[URL=http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Doctrines/sacraments_heresy.htm]]]Sacraments are heresy[/URL]
Water Baptism and the Lord's Supper were only established as ordinances in the Bible.
Water Baptism is one's public profession of faith in the Lord. Water Baptism is NOT a requirement for salvation (1st Corinthians 1:17). We are saved simply by faith in Jesus as the Christ, the Son of God. John 20:31 plainly teaches, âBut these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name"
J.C wrote: My wife and I first held hands when we walked down the aisle after our vows were said. Our first kiss was later.....in private. We wanted a pure relationship and didnt want to take any chances.........Do we have regrets.....Not one. Were we extreme? I dont think so. We just didnt want to take any chances and lived what we believed...
Every marriage I know where the Bride and Groom abstained from sleeping together lasted, and those that took the test ride often didn't. They like the test rides more than marriage
That's why I like the RCCs position, and makes marriage a sacrament. I don't know if sacrament should be the right word, but too many Protestants treat marriage without the honour it deserves
Isaiah 5:20-21 - "Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!"
I Thessalonians 5:22 - "Abstain from all appearance of evil."
My wife and I first held hands when we walked down the aisle after our vows were said. Our first kiss was later.....in private. We wanted a pure relationship and didnt want to take any chances.........Do we have regrets.....Not one. Were we extreme? I dont think so. We just didnt want to take any chances and lived what we believed...
Culture needs some historical perspective. Which is why Lutheran pastor Matthew Ruegerâs new book, âSexual Morality in a Christless World,â is a timely godsend. In it, Rueger shows how Christian sexual morality rocked the pagan world of ancient Rome. The notions of self-giving love, sexual chastity, and marital fidelity were foreign, even shocking to the people of that time. [URL=http://www.breakpoint.org/bpcommentaries/entry/13/29815]]]Progressive Regressives- Metaxas "Breakpoint" take[/URL]
Rueger details the Roman sexual worldview that prevailed for hundreds of years. Women and children were viewed as sexual objects; slavesâmale and female--could expect to be raped; there was widespread prostitution; and predatory homosexuality was common. Christian sexual morality might have been seen as repressive by the licentious, but it was a gift from God for their victims.
With Californicate's SB1322 opening doors for "employment" by kids in their FornicHateFilms a smart Biblical culture rejects Babylon the Great buying & selling the souls of people.
Living together apart from Biblical matrriage disobeys Wisdom's call.
Will we bend the knee to this revived pagan sexuality, or will we hold out to a needy world the freedom of Godâs plan for human sexuality?
When we say avoid the appearance of evil we are saying it to other Christians, the rest of the culture doesn't care. People cohabitate because they don't want to commit, which is foundational to marriage. The compatibility testing is an excuse, and doesn't work anyway, as the number of divorces are increasing even as does pre-marital cohabitation.