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FRIDAY, OCT 28, 2016  |  39 comments  |  2 commentaries
Georgia Demands Pastor Surrender Sermons After Filing Federal Religious Discrimination Claim

A Seventh-day Adventist lay minister who says he was fired by Georgia's Department of Public Health after officials were assigned to watch and review the content of his sermons, says he will not comply with the state's request that he hand over his sermons for review by state attorneys.

As previously reported, Dr. Eric Walsh, a leading health expert who was appointed to President Obama's Presidential Advisory Council on HIV/AIDs, was hired by the state agency in early May 2014 and was scheduled to begin working in June 2016.

However, when officials at the DPH learned that Walsh's conservative views on marriage had been met with protests from LGBT activists when he was selected as a commencement speaker at Pasadena City College, the agency decided to launch an investigation into Walsh's preaching and a week later, DPH asked Walsh to submit copies of his sermons.

An email sent by DPH's director ...


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News Item11/5/16 11:58 AM
Willy Nilly | Yeehaw Junction, FL  Find all comments by Willy Nilly
When was the last time anyone who does not attend your church ask your pastor for a copy of his sermon?
I think all pastors should send a copy of their sermons to their local governing officials, just to see what happens!
By the way, don't forget to set your clocks back one hour to celebrate the pagan custom of Daylight Saving Time.
I think it was the evil Germans who started the custom during World War One.
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News Item10/31/16 1:28 AM
Dave | oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
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ecumenical train of thought is a downward slope, one could say the same for Catholicism, jw, Islam even, if we hold to the train of thought " maybe that will pay off" hearing a false gospel, that isn't a healthy way to stand for the truth.
I was sda, someone else Catholic someone else Satanist the list goes on,but they're not Christians, as we should all know we must separate our worship from theirs if it be false.. but the absolute truth must be contended once revealed.
I believe.
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News Item10/29/16 8:27 PM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
Shouldn't be surprising considering the city of Atlanta fired their fire chief for being a Christian!
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News Item10/29/16 12:07 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Kev wrote:
Yeah I'm not of the opinion myself that Jesus is Michael the Archangel but I see why they think that He is and who knows maybe I'm wrong and Jesus is Michael the Archangel.
Thanks Brother
Thanks bro.

Yes it goes right back to who Jesus the Christ is.

Certainly not created, and an eternal Spirit (God) before His incarnation. Since then, having taking human flesh to Himself, He has been the God-Man, who now lives and reigns in heaven.

The Second Person of the Trinity, co-equal and co-eternal with God the Father and God the Holy Ghost.

Just a few thoughts bro.

Amen GP from England.

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News Item10/29/16 11:58 AM
Chris G P | England  Find all comments by Chris G P
Yes, I appreciate that the Lord Jesus appeared in the Old Testament as "the Angel of the Lord", in His pre-incarnate form, in what is known as a theophany, but He is definitely not Michael the Archangel, or any of the created angels, but in a sense, in His own right bringing a message.
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News Item10/29/16 11:57 AM
Willy Nilly | Yeehaw Junction, FL  Find all comments by Willy Nilly
This situation is a bit different, but doesn't it remind you of what Paul said about his being glad that the gospel was being spread, even if by people who didn't agree with him.
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News Item10/29/16 11:56 AM
Kev | San Diego  Contact via emailFind all comments by Kev
John UK wrote:
Hey Kev,
No problem with your post, as you say, the Lord Jesus is sometimes referred to as the angel of the Lord. Sometimes, elders also are referred to as angels. It is a matter of interpretation.
But to regard Jesus as the archangel Michael is most certainly a heresy in my book, and can only be speculatively arrived at. Well, IMHO that is.
An important thing to consider is that our Lord Jesus is still in heaven as the God-Man. So also is the archangel Michael still in heaven as the archangel (created being).
Yeah I'm not of the opinion myself that Jesus is Michael the Archangel but I see why they think that He is and who knows maybe I'm wrong and Jesus is Michael the Archangel.

Thanks Brother

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News Item10/29/16 11:43 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Kev wrote:
I figured this verse may come up but I feel that many verses of the Bible show that this verse doesn't void the word Angel as 'the angel of the Lord' many times is Jesus.

Hey John UK hope all is going well Brother nice to hear from you. I thought you may enjoy this topic

Hey Kev,

No problem with your post, as you say, the Lord Jesus is sometimes referred to as the angel of the Lord. Sometimes, elders also are referred to as angels. It is a matter of interpretation.

But to regard Jesus as the archangel Michael is most certainly a heresy in my book, and can only be speculatively arrived at. Well, IMHO that is.

An important thing to consider is that our Lord Jesus is still in heaven as the God-Man. So also is the archangel Michael still in heaven as the archangel (created being).

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News Item10/29/16 11:06 AM
pennelope  Find all comments by pennelope
Kev wrote:
These cults such as JW and SDA latch on to this seemingly unknown perspective
these groups tend to:

-reduce the Kingship/Authority of Christ

-focus on millennial reigns

-created around same time frame

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News Item10/29/16 9:40 AM
Kev | San Diego  Contact via emailFind all comments by Kev
Chris G P wrote:
I believe that Hebrews chapter 1 and verses 4 to 14, very clearly nails any idea that our Lord may have been Michael or any other Angel.
I figured this verse may come up but I feel that many verses of the Bible show that this verse doesn't void the word Angel as 'the angel of the Lord' many times is Jesus.

Look at this verse there is others as well:

Genesis 22:15-16
15 And the angel of the Lord called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,
16 And said, By myself have I sworn, SAITH the Lord...

Exodus 3:2
And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush:...
Later talking about the same Angel of the Lord:
Exodus 3:6
Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham..And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

A bible study of the 'Angel of the Lord' will make it very clear the Angel of the Lord is Jesus see John 1:18

So Jesus in my opinion is clearly called Thee Angel of the Lord.

The word angel comes from the Greek aggelos meaning messenger so in the strict use of the word of course Jesus was the chief messenger of God.

Hey John UK hope all is going well Brother nice to hear from you. I thought you may enjoy this topic

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News Item10/29/16 8:21 AM
Gay Allen | Wisconsin  Find all comments by Gay Allen
i agree, there are saved people in denominations all across this world, the more they are fed at the Lord's table the more they loose the stomach to sit under anything false, when you sit under a false church you prop it up, you make Christians look foolish and this is a sin, to make anything of God look foolish.
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News Item10/29/16 7:37 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I think a war in the unseen works like any other, save for death. This reality is only a shadow of the other, an illusuon, of sorts, but being a shadow means that it's a basic copy of the world eternal. So, the spirit world is the enhanced version of this one, but without death. I think angels can cause pain, maybe even maim, they can imprison, shackle, and give a general beat down, just like anyone on planet earth can. I've always believed that Satan and the fallen ones are either limited in power, have to get permission for what they want to do, or that God has laid down ground rules which limit them. So, if it's a matter of simple rules that keep them behaving, I think they can break these rules, but would suffer something really terrible, so only few have (?)
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News Item10/29/16 7:13 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
A bit off subject, but I've wondered how that sort of fight works in real terms? They can't destroy each other, not being physically limited, so how does one side or the other win the war? What must a war between spirit beings be like?
Scary.
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News Item10/29/16 7:04 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Kev, it is an interesting topic, with diverse views on it. Personally I believe that there are such beings as archangels (chief angels), of whom Michael and the dragon were but two.
Revelation 12:7-9 KJV
(7) And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
(8) And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
(9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
I believe that this was an angelic fight, the good angels fighting and prevailing against the rebel angels, until all the bad angels were cast out of heaven.
If Jesus was Michael, it would have been a no-contest.
That's my honest opinion bro.
A bit off subject, but I've wondered how that sort of fight works in real terms? They can't destroy each other, not being physically limited, so how does one side or the other win the war? What must a war between spirit beings be like?
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News Item10/29/16 6:57 AM
Chris G P | England  Find all comments by Chris G P
I find typing over the small keyboard of the mobile phone keyboard difficult. In my last comment it is, of course, the Lord Jesus.
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News Item10/29/16 6:55 AM
Chris G P | England  Find all comments by Chris G P
I believe that Hebrews chapter 1 and verses 4 to 14, very clearly nails any idea that our Lord may have been Michael or any other Angel. It clearly states the superiority of the Lord Jesus over all the angels.

The Book of Hebrews goes on to state the superiority of the Lord Jesus over Moses, the priesthood, and the Old Covenant with animal sacrifices, and therefore there is biblically no way that the Lird Jesus was or is Michael.

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News Item10/29/16 5:51 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Kev wrote:
I don't believe in most everything SDA teach but one thing that is worth noting is who is Michael?
I think many would be surprised that many many theologians and famous ones at that where under the impression that Michael the Archangel is actually another name for Jesus.
Interesting topic if anyone has any input.
Kev, it is an interesting topic, with diverse views on it. Personally I believe that there are such beings as archangels (chief angels), of whom Michael and the dragon were but two.

Revelation 12:7-9 KJV
(7) And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
(8) And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
(9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

I believe that this was an angelic fight, the good angels fighting and prevailing against the rebel angels, until all the bad angels were cast out of heaven.

If Jesus was Michael, it would have been a no-contest.

That's my honest opinion bro.

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News Item10/29/16 1:10 AM
Kev | San Diego  Contact via emailFind all comments by Kev
I don't think Charles Taze Russell came up with Michael the Archangel as Jesus on his own. He probably followed:

Matthew Henry, The author of the Geneva Bible notes, John Calvin, John Wesley, I'm pretty sure John Gill, Matthew Poole and many others all are under the impression that Michael is Jesus.

These cults such as JW and SDA latch on to this seemingly unknown perspective that great theologians have and say see we have special knowledge we must be right on other things and they sell their lies built on small truths. The best cult is gonna have some aspects right.

Then ignorant people see this and say hey these are the keepers of truth without taking the time or effort to investigate anything for themselves from the word of God.

JW do this with the name of God etc...

Many cult leaders get their places from having special understanding. Of course the Holy Spirit has to give you understanding but the Bible is not of a private matter:

2 Peter 1:20

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Too bad people don't spend more time in the Scripture and in prayer searching these things out for themselves if so if they seek w/all their heart he will be found:

Jeremiah 29:13
And ye shall seek me, and find me...

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News Item10/29/16 12:25 AM
Chris G P | England  Find all comments by Chris G P
It is interesting to hear about this belief that the Lord Jesus Christ is also the archangel Michael, as this is also a distinctive belief of the "Jehovah's Witness" cult.

Charles Taze Russell, their founder, was much influenced by Adventism, under its original leader, William Miller, and adopted some of their doctrines. He later founded his "International Bible Students", which became the Watchtower Society, and then under his infamous successor, "Judge" Rutherford, the JWs.

This outlines how careful we must be to stick to the Holy Scriptures, the Bible, and not let ourselves be carried away with the traditions of men.

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News Item10/29/16 12:09 AM
Chris G P | England  Find all comments by Chris G P
I once attended an evangelistic SDA meeting, in Leicester, when I lived there some years ago. I listened to the pastor very carefully lining it up with the Scriptures

Apart from a reference to Saturday Sabbath keeping, and a chart on the wall about good diet, I did not find anything objectionable at that meeting, or different from a normal evangelical evangelistic meeting.

There was no mention of Ellen G White, her "prophecies" or her books.

My take on this is that there seems to be different levels of observance of some of these distinctive doctrines in different SDA churches.

I would therefore say, that though as I stated before, there are some genuine Christians in the SDA church, it is too dangerous to stay in it, as the legalistic doctrines and false prophecies of this woman "prophet" are sure to catch up, and it is far better to be in a real evangelical church, which sticks rigidly to Holy Scripture.

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