The NFL has a ratings problem. The causes are many, and the leading cause is certainly up for debate. But that isnâ€™t stopping the NFL from denying that the problem has some controversial undercurrents â€“ or that the problem exists in the first place.
Sunday Night Football between the Green Bay Packers and New York Giants drew a 10.2 overnight rating as it mostly went up against the second presidential debate, according to Sports Media Watch. Itâ€™s a steep drop from 13.1 in Week 5 of the 2015 season and the lowest overnight rating since Week 8 of the 2013 season.
The presidential debate, and the 2016 election season, are no doubt cutting into TV ratings for everyone, not just the NFL. But for an 11 percent overall drop through the first four weeks of 2016 that is likely to deepen after Week 5? Seems more like a convenient excuse....
Buckeyes wrote: (TMC) @John UK one major reason why Churches compromise is so they donâ€™t offend those who pay the bills.
I believe it too broad a brush to paint churches with to say they compromise to get congregants to pay their bills. That may be true in some instances, but I have never seen that in any of the churches with which I have known. They obviously met somewhere besides their house in the church at Corinth. (I Corinthians 11:22) The building doesn't make the place sacred, the presence of the Lord in the midst of the gathering of His saints (Revelation 2:1;1:20) to worship and hear the Word of God. Just like a house doesn't make a home. There is definite warning in Scripture about not forsaking the assembling of yourselves together. It is the argument of silence that says meeting in a "church" building is not acceptable. Just like it easier for us to get from place to place in our current transportation rather than by foot or riding camels, donkeys, or horses. We don't decry it because it isn't found in the Bible. The church is not and has never been a building made by hands. The convenience of a central place to meet for worship, preaching and fellowship is simply good stewardship of the resources God has given us.
Buckeyes wrote: (TMC) @John UK â€śAhhhh......so many holdovers to sort out.â€ť Yes, indeed! Quite the job to figure out (or even notice) just what originated where and when! Geoff Botkin, who posts sermons on here, has taught his children this family motto: â€śSemper Reformandaâ€ť (Always Reforming), so they will remember that the work of reforming ourselves and the Church to greater conformity to Christ is never complete! Blessings!
Yes indeed TMC, the issues are very deep and hard to sort the root out. Where do things come from? Someone told me once that each and every thing is either of God or of the devil.
I like the idea of Semper Reformanda; but what a job it is, especially when there is no firm leadership, or a big difference between leaders who should know better.
The Marines in America have their Semper Fi (always faithful) but they also have Ductos Exemplo (lead by example) for certain officers.
Knowing our predestination is to be conformed to the Person of Christ, it behoves us to read much about His life upon earth, as He showed us the perfect human life being worked out. It is a high aim, but it is God's choice to conform us to His Son.
(TMC) @John UK â€śAhhhh......so many holdovers to sort out.â€ť Yes, indeed! Quite the job to figure out (or even notice) just what originated where and when! Geoff Botkin, who posts sermons on here, has taught his children this family motto: â€śSemper Reformandaâ€ť (Always Reforming), so they will remember that the work of reforming ourselves and the Church to greater conformity to Christ is never complete! Blessings!
Buckeyes wrote: (TMC) @John UK If I may, where do we see an example of a consecrated building in the NT besides the temple that was destroyed? Can, biblically speaking, a pile of manmade bricks be considered â€śholyâ€ť? Isnâ€™t the concept of â€śsanctuaryâ€ť a hold over from the RCC?
Hope you have a Blessed day!
Hi TMC, and God bless you too.
Yes, holdovers in the UK are normally from the Anglican church. Tradition runs deep and is hard to get away from. Like Christmas and Easter, for example.
But both you and Mike NY are quite right about the sanctuary. The only sanctuary now is the spiritual one which we enter into spiritually, either individually or corporately.
Hebrews 10:19-22 KJV (19) Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, (20) By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; (21) And having an high priest over the house of God; (22) Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
The new covenant makes the old covenant obsolete.
Ahhhh......so many holdovers to sort out. Thank you.
This story does seem to occupy many people's attention. Even the Wall Street Journal discussed it on their podcast. They suggested it was due to cord-cutting, that people are getting rid of cable and getting their entertainment from other sources. I think the use of smartphones has affected it, though others say it was the protest by certain players. And maybe even the growth of fantasy football leagues, where the results do not depend on one game you watch but all games, and you have to wait until all the games are over for that week to get the results, make watching one game less important to you. It would be like owning 30 stocks and worrying each Monday how they are going to perform that week! The WSJ podcast I heard said that college football viewing has not been affected. I see it all as entertainment; I don't agree with all the opinions of people who entertain me.
(TMC) @John UK If I may, where do we see an example of a consecrated building in the NT besides the temple that was destroyed? Can, biblically speaking, a pile of manmade bricks be considered â€śholyâ€ť? Isnâ€™t the concept of â€śsanctuaryâ€ť a hold over from the RCC? The Early Church gathered in tombs which are about as un-clean as it gets by OT standards. Throughout Church history, and even today, it would be very unwise or impossible for Christians in certain areas to have consecrated buildings. Here in the US, one major reason why Churches comprimise is so they donâ€™t offend the congregents who pay the enormous bills. Upkeep, electric, gas, water, etc., add up very fast and rather limit the amount of outreach a church can do. Iâ€™ve found that many of the most orthodox churches meet in the least orthodox places. Personaly, Iâ€™ve gathered with Churches in homes, barns, yards, fairgrounds, and community rec centers. Of course, Churches should be carefull just who they are giving their money to, though I know of one Church that split the bills with a SDA church. That way they didnâ€™t fund the SDAs at all, but sent the money straight to the utilities! Anyway, just some thoughts. Hope you have a Blessed day!
Mike wrote: Points well made, bro. Two of mine: I would ask if that which Christians call the sanctuary is a holy place, such that it could be desecrated? Methinks the building is no more than a building, and when the services are over, the church leaves the sanctuary standing there, alone in the dark. The second is, the purpose of Scripture is to reveal Christ. We should not expect that every detail of everyday life would be so revealed. Further, John 21:25 says that much of what Jesus himself did was not recorded. Why then might we think watching a competition in early times would be?
I'm caught in two minds as to your first point bro. I agree that the church moves about and comes together in a building to worship God and hear teaching etc.
The problem is, that the building could become nothing important, nothing spiritual about it. Could believers therefore hold a worship service in a Masonic Hall or Lodge? Could we rent a Kingdom Hall for a pioneering church? Can we share a building with the squash club?
Personally I think a building ought to be dedicated and consecrated to God and used only for Christian worship.
Second point Mike. I just can't picture it, sorry.
1517 wrote: John UK, 1 Corinthians 9 Paul uses his extensive understanding of sports training to make a biblical point. I believe the inference is that he actually viewed, willingly, these events.
You make a very serious point as it relates to Super Bowl viewing on the Lord's Day IN the sanctuary. That runs off course of biblical living. Much like the likelihood of churches shutting down this Advent season because December 25th falls on a Sunday.
Now you've got me baffled, bro.
Where in 1 Cor 9 is there any evidence that Paul had an "extensive understanding of sports training"?
What I do find is a comparison between worldlings who strive for a vain reward (praise of men), and those who are looking for an eternal reward (praise of God). v25
As a Pharisee under Gamaliel, I am sure Saul of Tarsus would have learned of many things of which he had no personal experience. He could have told you about back lane brothels, black market goods, gambling dens, theatres and performances, corruption of all kinds; without ever having first hand experience.
One problem today is that many are trying to fit their carnal Christianity into the pages of the Holy Bible and call it NT Christianity. And it's a nonsense.
I quit watching football because it became an idol. Im ashamed to admit that when services were over I was in a rush to get home and watch the games. Cheerleaders are terrible and all, but honestly I never noticed them. They're pretty much never shown and some teams don't even have them. Idolatry is the biggest problem when it comes to football not cheerleaders, and Idolatry isn't the NFL's fault. Personally I think christians are better off not watching it, but I will not push this on anybody.
I got ya!! Passion is great..so is hermeneutics. I'm trying to be respectful though. The days of the wholesome sports figure are kind of gone unfortunately and I can see where people get upset with that scene, but at the same time there are many good role models, and Christian ones at that, who put Jesus Christ first.
Jeremy wrote: Sc Why would compare watching sports to watching naked people? That's a little weird.... I'm sure the Holy Spirit would do it first though.
Brother if sc gives you a rational discussion on this topic it would be a pleasant change. Following her interpretative principle on the passage she uses, a women without a veil would be considered naked. However, because she doesn't believe that her argument falls apart and involves inaccurately dividing the Word of Truth. She presses for things we all believe in, modesty, she fails to acknowledge that by her inaccurate definition we live in a world of naked people and would sin her "pet" sin just by leaving our house.
If you want to get an idea of where she is coming from, here on SA, Jason Cooley has a sermon, The History of Sports Idolatry - Bread and Circus
Sc Why would compare watching sports to watching naked people? That's a little weird. Again it's about being a stumbling block right? If we were together hanging out, I wouldn't take you to a game. If you are a vegetarian I wouldn't feed you a steak right? Think about this. Is it okay for a Christian to climb mountains just for the sake of climbing mountains? Would that be worshipping the creature rather than the creator? I check the stocks in the morning because a part of my treasure is there..but not ALL of it. Where's your treasure? I like baseball and racing..I don't worship baseball and racing, and if I ever did I would hope that a fellow believer would bring this to my attention. I'm sure the Holy Spirit would do it first though.
Jeremy wrote: Hi John Bunyan had Is. 40:17 and Ecc. 1:2 in mind..vanity of vanity all is vanity. "All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity." Isaiah 40:17. I will do a study,on the liberty of the believer later because I haven't in a while..and it's very important. But there is a balance. Like I said, it depends on who I'm hanging out with.
Hi Jeremy, Yes, good answer. The whole world is a stage, full of vanity and nonsense.
The sinful and carnal nature will not go short of something to amuse it.
When it comes to competitive sports, I have noticed something happening in very recent decades. There is a great emphasis on MONEY. In sport today there is a vast wealth to tap into. Sportsmen and women can become very rich. Just look at our Premier League in football and you wouldn't believe what players are earning. And not only on the pitch, they are advertising all sorts of things, they make a packet. But only if they keep scoring goals or winning races. The emphasis is not harmless fun, but deadly business. It has also become pornographic, but so stealthily that few even notice it.
And few are asking why the Lord Jesus is knocking OUTSIDE the church to be let in.
Jeremy, sc is wrong in many of her inferences on what is going on in a football game but would have to agree with her, the church, in my opinion, is not a place to gather to watch any sporting event. We are there to worship our God, learn from His Word, fellowship with His people about the things of God and to help meet the needs of each other as members of the body of Christ. Such an event would send a wrong message and could easily be misconstrued, believe it falls under all things are lawful but not all things are expedient.
NFL ratings are dropping in large part because fans are upset about the disdain for the country shown by players who would more than likely be dirt poor if they lived somewhere else.