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FRIDAY, SEP 9, 2016  |  51 comments
Church Growth Research Reveals Megachurches Continue to Grow

New research on church growth has revealed that the world’s largest churches are continuing to grow.

According to ChristianToday.com, megachurches in America and around the world are gaining more members. More than 1.6 million people reportedly attend America’s megachurches each week.

Churches in America are not the largest in the world, however. Megachurches in Korea, Argentina, Nigeria, and other places in Africa have even larger memberships.


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News Item9/11/16 5:51 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Kev wrote:
Hey John UK, yeah I agree they didn't like the authority of "baptism" being given to anyone else. If it was up to the RCC we could only have Latin bible, Latin masses, our mediator would be the clergy and what the pope says goes. Thanks to all the saints who have stood up to this repression of truth. Yeah sad how they would repress people for wanting to follow the Biblical example of Baptism. I gave my persuasive speech on this topic. I gave my hard copy of my speech to a Catholic girl who showed interest. It is interesting that if you take a biblical stance on a subject some willattack
Amen Kev, we do owe a big debt, especially to those who so valiantly translated our Bible into English, at no small cost.
Good to hear about the interest in your speech and it being received by a Catholic girl. The Lord can use that.
I agree, the word of God always will be attacked, and if we use the word of God, we will be attacked. It is because men are at enmity with God, that is their natural estate.
Well you know all that, just confirming and agreeing.
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News Item9/11/16 3:06 PM
Kev | San Diego  Find all comments by Kev
John UK wrote:
Good morning Kev, thankfully there is no more enforced baptisms of babies (except in Catholic, Anglican and Presby churches, where all babies are baptised).
Back in time every baby was baptised. And there were some brethren (God bless them) who would baptise again upon true repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. State churches hated that, because they imagined their state baptism had power and authority. They called anyone who baptised again an anabaptist. And a religious group formed, generally known as anabaptists. The 1689 Baptists may hold that in common, baptising only truly repentant souls, but otherwise are very different in terms of doctrine.
Hey John UK, yeah I agree they didn't like the authority of "baptism" being given to anyone else. If it was up to the RCC we could only have Latin bible, Latin masses, our mediator would be the clergy and what the pope says goes. Thanks to all the saints who have stood up to this repression of truth. Yeah sad how they would repress people for wanting to follow the Biblical example of Baptism. I gave my persuasive speech on this topic. I gave my hard copy of my speech to a Catholic girl who showed interest. It is interesting that if you take a biblical stance on a subject some willattack
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News Item9/11/16 4:06 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Kev wrote:
Hey John UK I have a strange feeling that your comment will not curb the use of the word anabaptist by Steve if you know what I mean. I will someday get around to reading both confessions. So many things I want to study seems like the list gets longer and longer lol. Thanks for the info very informative. Anabaptist means rebaptist so probably not proper to say as baptize come from the Greek word baptizo which means to immerse. I don't think an infant was imersed in the first place. So to say re-imerse makes no sense.
Good morning Kev, thankfully there is no more enforced baptisms of babies (except in Catholic, Anglican and Presby churches, where all babies are baptised).

Back in time every baby was baptised. And there were some brethren (God bless them) who would baptise again upon true repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. State churches hated that, because they imagined their state baptism had power and authority. They called anyone who baptised again an anabaptist. And a religious group formed, generally known as anabaptists. The 1689 Baptists may hold that in common, baptising only truly repentant souls, but otherwise are very different in terms of doctrine.

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News Item9/10/16 9:04 PM
Kev | San Diego  Find all comments by Kev
Steve if you call me passive aggressive maybe I am maybe I'm not, not quite sure one thing I am not though is vulgar.

Steve maybe next time we have a conversation you just keep it civil and just make a fool out of me with your superior knowledge(now that was passive aggressive right ).

So far it kind of seems you get upset to avoid a conversation, that's all it looks like.

I do wish the best for you Steve. I am always willing to bend my beliefs to a good biblical defense of a subject, but every time I give you a good question or something you never give me a response.

You say many things about my character and if you give me one specific thing on how I have not been decent to you let me know so I can apologize. If not that's not very Christian to be so hateful to anyone for no reason. Unless you can give a reason?

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News Item9/10/16 5:33 PM
Kev | San Diego  Find all comments by Kev
Hey Chris K I liked our talk yesterday. I wish that Steve would be able to discuss matters without the conversation deteriorating as it always seems to do. Maybe that is the reason it goes down like that so there doesn't have to be a discussion. Don't worry I've had a post deleted that was addressed to Steve as well. I intended my message to be helpful too. The Church Steve sent me a link to was not his church, just one he listens too. If it was his church I still wouldn't contact them about Steve as I wouldn't want it to separate Steve from the word of God. I do pray for Steve and I wish he would have a change of heart how he treats people but as you know God has to do that. Liked your comments about the WCF very informative as I know little on that subject.

Hey John UK I have a strange feeling that your comment will not curb the use of the word anabaptist by Steve if you know what I mean. I will someday get around to reading both confessions. So many things I want to study seems like the list gets longer and longer lol. Thanks for the info very informative. Anabaptist means rebaptist so probably not proper to say as baptize come from the Greek word baptizo which means to immerse. I don't think an infant was imersed in the first place. So to say re-imerse makes no sense.

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News Item9/10/16 5:13 PM
Chris K  Find all comments by Chris K
Hi Connor

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

Sorry, you may not have seen yesterday that one of my posts was deleted. All I did in that post (addressed to Kevin) was point out that a certain person here who is infamous for his mean spirit and ignorance loves to attack believers and that given the opportunity someone should contact that pastor whose details he gave as a friend of his and find out who this guy is, where he worships and to share with this pastor friend his postings here on SA so that he is aware of his true character.

Presumably my post was treated as a personal attack. Hence my post asking for clarification. I agree with you as regards fellow believers, but this fellow is no brother in the faith.

Hope that this explains.

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News Item9/10/16 4:34 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Kev wrote:
Interesting note John Uk thank you for that.
Yes, it is especially important for Presbies and other Reformed Chappies who use the WCF and other such ancient documents to realise that whenever they read the word "anabaptist" in their texts, this is not referring to those Baptists who hold to the Doctrines of Grace, and who first formulated their confession in 1644, which obviously prevented the WCF.

In the UK, those Baptist churches who hold to such a confession, now reformulated in 1689, are known as Strict Baptists or Particular Baptists. Strict in the sense of seeking to maintain the purity of the membership (the communion), and Particular in the sense of being convinced that the redemption of our beloved Saviour on Calvary was a Particular Redemption, that the Christ of God was giving his life for a people particularly, not merely making salvation possible, but ensuring it for the elect of God.

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News Item9/10/16 10:39 AM
Kev | San Diego  Find all comments by Kev
Interesting note John Uk thank you for that. Your right Connor it would be nice if we could discuss things without getting to the point where a moderator would have to get involved. Maybe some would rather not discuss therefore use language to escape a true conversation on a topic.
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News Item9/10/16 4:58 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Just a few facts worth remembering:

"A circular letter was sent to particular Baptist churches in England and Wales asking each assembly to send representatives to a meeting in London in 1677. A confession consciously modeled after the Westminster Confession of Faith was approved and published. It has ever since born the name of the Second London Confession. The First London Confession had been issued by seven Baptist congregations of London in 1644. That first document had been drawn up to distinguish newly organized Calvinistic Baptists from the Arminian Baptists and the Anabaptists."

Please note: "....AND the Anabaptists".

"These early Baptists were conscious that the 1644 Calvinistic Baptist Confession predated the 1646 Presbyterian Confession and the 1658 Congregationalist Confession".

From the Foreword at [URL=http://www.1689.com/confession.html#Foreward]]]1689 Baptist Confession[/URL]

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News Item9/9/16 8:33 PM
Bible Based Christian | Netherlands  Find all comments by Bible Based Christian
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2Ti 4:1-4
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News Item9/9/16 6:35 PM
Chris K  Find all comments by Chris K
3 John

9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.

10 Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.

11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

Moderator Beta, John (the loving disciple) had no hesitation outting a person who was evil. Would you consider the verses above a personal attack on Diotrephes?

And Paul likewise had no problem:

2 Tim 2

16 .. shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Would you consider this a personal attack on Hymenaeus and Philetus?

I'm trying to understand the guidelnes and would appreciate your help. Thank you.

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News Item9/9/16 6:26 PM
Dave | oz  Contact via emailFind all comments by Dave
Wide is the gate and broad is the road.
Add these clowns to the 1.2 billion rc cult and we can see why the road needs be broad.
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News Item9/9/16 6:08 PM
Kev | San Diego  Find all comments by Kev
I'm sorry I felt I was being civil in my discussion with Steve but I will cease as it upsets Steve sorry moderator.
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News Item9/9/16 5:59 PM
Kev | San Diego  Find all comments by Kev
You gave this as your proof text for number 5 which you say that one is in covenant through baptism right? I wonder how the circumcision of the heart, which is being born again could be applied to babies? Is it talking about water baptism in these passages of Spirit baptism? If it is Spirit baptism does ones heart get circumcised as an infant only to wear off as he gets older? I always thought the operation of God was in the new birth by the Spirit? Do they truly have the true symbol of baptism when they are baptized as infants? I always thought that baptism was an outward expression of an inward work? Are babies quickened to Christ, if so why are some unregenerate? Circumcision performed without hand(below)? Sounds to me talking more about a work of God not a religious practice of man.

Colossians 2:11
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Colossians 2:13
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

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News Item9/9/16 5:41 PM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
Kev wrote:
I highly doubt that they plagiarized from the WCF seeing as the WCF places emphasis on covenant theology in infant baptism as being part of the covenant with God. Whereas the 1689 Baptist confession emphasizes being in covenant by the Law of Faith which one is in covenant with God. . Do you feel that a child is in covenant with the Lord through paedobaptism until they are older where it then falls on them, why or why not?
{shaking head} Maybe you should look at a career with McDonalds if you cant tell what they copied. As for the question

The Heidelberg Catechism 1563
Q. Should infants also be baptized?

A. Yes.
Infants as well as adults are included in God’s covenant and people,1 and they, no less than adults, are promised deliverance from sin through Christ’s blood
and the Holy Spirit who produces faith.2

Therefore, by baptism, the sign of the covenant,

they too should be incorporated into the Christian church
and distinguished from the children of unbelievers.3

This was done in the Old Testament by circumcision,4

which was replaced in the New Testament by baptism.5

1 Gen. 17:7; Matt. 19:14
2 Isa. 44:1-3; Acts 2:38-39; 16:31
3 Acts 10:47; 1 Cor. 7:14
4 Gen. 17:9-14
5 Col. 2:11-13

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News Item9/9/16 5:31 PM
Kev | San Diego  Find all comments by Kev
SteveR wrote:
I guess I went too easy on the Anabaptists, but that was the most kind way I could express their actions
I highly doubt that they plagiarized from the WCF seeing as the WCF places emphasis on covenant theology in infant baptism as being part of the covenant with God. Whereas the 1689 Baptist confession emphasizes being in covenant by the Law of Faith which one is in covenant with God. Very different views there Steve. Do you feel that a child is in covenant with the Lord through paedobaptism until they are older where it then falls on them, why or why not?

Hey Chris I have questioned him about the use of the word anabaptists and he has his very own definition, maybe he will enlighten us.

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News Item9/9/16 5:28 PM
Chris K  Find all comments by Chris K
Kev wrote:
Did you really have to say that Steve I was trying my hardest to get along with you.
I'd say he knows as much about Anabaptism as he does about the Bible and the WCF, which is pretty much nothing.

Still waiting on him to elaborate on his previous ignorant statement about the WCF. Thankfully, not holding my breath.

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News Item9/9/16 5:24 PM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
Kev wrote:
Did you really have to say that Steve I was trying my hardest to get along with you.
I guess I went too easy on the Anabaptists, but that was the most kind way I could express their actions...I will try harder to be more unlikable so there isn't any question about getting along
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News Item9/9/16 5:21 PM
Kev | San Diego  Find all comments by Kev
SteveR wrote:
You mean ....The 1689 Anabaptist edited plagiarization of the WCF to gain credibility
Did you really have to say that Steve I was trying my hardest to get along with you.
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News Item9/9/16 5:18 PM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
Kev wrote:
The Westminster Confession is a summary of major Christian beliefs in thirty-three chapters. Classic reformed biblical theology permeates the con- fession, with emphasis on the covenant relationships between God and man. In the matter of church government, it presents the Presbyterian view: with presbyteries (or synods) which oversee local congregations. In the matter of baptism, it holds for infant baptism, consistent with the covenant approach to Christian heritage. This believes that God often saves whole households, and that an infant is considered a part of the covenant through his godly parents, until he proves otherwise by his lifestyle choices.
Here is the 1689 Baptist confession of faith which I quoted from above.
You mean ....The 1689 Anabaptist edited plagiarization of the WCF to gain credibility
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