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FRONT PAGE  |  6/17/2021
SUNDAY, FEB 28, 2016  |  23 comments
Augustine: Jesus did what we cannot do

Thomas à Kempis in the 15th century told us we should imitate Christ, so it will surprise some Christians that Augustine a millennium earlier had a different understanding. Augustine described his pre-conversion understanding of Jesus as “a man of most excellent wisdom,” but Gerald Bray tells how the great thinker came to see that “what the Son of God did on the cross was something no ordinary human being could ever do. He took our sins upon himself, not in order to set us an example that we should imitate but in order to remove from us the burden of sin and death that prevents us from enjoying fellowship with him and eternal life. We must be crucified with Christ, not strengthened by his example.” If that analysis interests you, please read the following excerpt from Bray’s Augustine on the Christian Life: Transformed by the Power of God (Crossway, 2015). —Marvin Olasky ...

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Bear | USA  Find all comments by Bear
Trump is not "A" or "The" SAVIOR!

He is just a man...

Will he win? I don't know, but regardless of that... There is only on Savior, JESUS CHRIST!

We need to turn to Christ to save our country. How? The best place to start is the beginning.

A spiritual Awakening and Revival across the land that will bring people to truely repent & be saved by Christ's atonement!

We need Christ!

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Sneaky  Find all comments by Sneaky
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Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Great point, Mike, about the word "saint", and assuming salvation.
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Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John Yurich USA wrote:
I never stated I know for certain that Saint Augustine was saved. I call him Saint because he has been known as Saint Augustine for years. Even the Protestant Reformers referred to him as Saint Augustine. Some Baptists refer to him as Saint Augustine. If Jesus is the only one who knows if Saint Augustine was saved then nobody should state categorically they know that he was not saved.
You miss the point, John. Saint isn't a first name. If, as you say, Jesus is the only one who knows if he was saved, then no one else has the right to call him Saint Augustine, not even you, because that assumes he was saved. You need be consistent in what you say you believe, and follow it to its logical conclusion.
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Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Ok, nobody can state categorically that any person wasn't saved before they died, but we can assume fairly accurately, I think. I think your logic, John, is that maybe a person was born again the moment before they took their last breath. The problem I see with that is that there would be a "coming around" time before that. A time of searching, questioning, reflection...some sort of evidence either verbally or otherwise that might cause others to go, "Hmmm, maybe, just maybe". When someone dies as they had always been spiritually, or morally, believing this or that as they always had, and having shown no signs, whatsoever, of Christ having broken through to them beforehand, the hope is slim to nonexistent. Highly unlikely, unfortunately, but yes, only God knows for certain.
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John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Mike wrote:
You have no way of knowing for certain he was saved. So why do you call him Saint, since for certain, only the saved are saints?
I never stated I know for certain that Saint Augustine was saved. I call him Saint because he has been known as Saint Augustine for years. Even the Protestant Reformers referred to him as Saint Augustine. Some Baptists refer to him as Saint Augustine. If Jesus is the only one who knows if Saint Augustine was saved then nobody should state categorically they know that he was not saved.
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StuckonStupid | Stupidville  Find all comments by StuckonStupid
"Saint" Augustine was a murdering Catholic! Wow, come on people, read some history!
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Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John Yurich USA wrote:
You have no way of knowing for certain that Saint Augustine was not saved. Only Jesus knows that for certain. Saint Augustine might have embraced Jesus as Lord and Savior and trusted in Him alone for salvation.
You have no way of knowing for certain he was saved. So why do you call him Saint, since for certain, only the saved are saints?
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John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
StuckonStupid wrote:
Augustine was no more saved than the devil is!!!
You have no way of knowing for certain that Saint Augustine was not saved. Only Jesus knows that for certain. Saint Augustine might have embraced Jesus as Lord and Savior and trusted in Him alone for salvation.
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Accounting3  Find all comments by Accounting3
Jim, you pointed out that Augustine was not a Calvinist. I was wondering, was Jesus a Calvinist?
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StuckonStupid | Stupidville  Find all comments by StuckonStupid
Augustine was no more saved than the devil is!!!
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News Item2/29/16 2:31 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Actually, Dave, the debate was settled before Augustine.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.---ESV

So, Augustine has some good points, he condemned Pelagianism q.v., [URL=http://www.withchrist.org/unholy.htm]]]The Unholy Alliance[/URL] and bad, amillennialism q.v., [URL=http://withchrist.org/millennial.htm]]]The Millennium[/URL].

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News Item2/28/16 5:23 PM
Dave | oz  Find all comments by Dave
The Baptist should be a Christian. The debate really was settled 1600 years, long before Calvin came along.
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Dave | oz  Find all comments by Dave
Augustine did not deal with certain heresies, that have filtered through to today.
Check it out some time for yourself.
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Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Yes, Baptists, just like NeedHim, and others point out, we reject the Church fathers outright especially the Nicene Church fathers the ones who came after the Council of Nicea. They are totally unnecessary and usually counter-productive such as, [URL=http://bible.org/article/theology-adrift-early-church-fathers-and-their-views-eschatology]]]http://tinyurl.com/zkamfkc (Theology Adrift: The Early Church Fathers and Their Views of Eschatology)[/URL] from which, 'In the words of our Baptist forefathers: "The Holy Scripture is the only sufficient, certain and infallible rule of all saving knowledge, faith, and obedience" and "the whole counsel of God concerning all things necessary for His own glory, man's salvation, faith and life, is either expressly set down or necessarily contained in the Holy Scripture: Unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelation of the Spirit, or traditions of men."'

There can be some benefit at looking at some of these Church "Fathers," [URL=https://www.christianhistoryinstitute.org/magazine/article/why-reformers-read-fathers/]]]Why the Reformers Read the Fathers[/URL] Christianity doesn't get it's legitimacy from them.

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Biblical Presbyterianism  Find all comments by Biblical Presbyterianism
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Have I pointed out that I have little use for so-called Church Fathers, including Augustine?
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and conversely Augustine was not a Calvinist.
Jim
When delving into the "theological" depths of Biblical Calvinism it is just as pertinent to say that the Baptist is not a Calvinist either.

So it is no surprise that you cannot appreciate the precise theological relation between Biblical Calvinism and Augustine.

As for this article.
Many in historic ecclesiastical writings have not made the connection between Augustine and Calvin because of their exegetical meanderings and convictions as much as anything.

The recent confusions of the SBC highlight this very point.

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Phillip Mezzapelle | Sicily Italy  Contact via emailFind all comments by Phillip Mezzapelle
"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." ( John 15:5 ).
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News Item2/28/16 11:25 AM
Dave | oz  Find all comments by Dave
Augustine Mmm.
Agreed Jim
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News Item2/28/16 7:39 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
In a similar vein as Needhim.

"We receive so many letters from Catholics that feel the writings of the early “church
fathers” are a reliable source for what should be practiced in the church. Of course, my
response is always the same, go back to the word of God and read what Jesus and His
apostles said. This is the “more sure foundation” that Peter told us we could trust!
Nonetheless, they argue vehemently for their cause." excerpt from, [URL=http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/RC144.htm]]]http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/RC144.htm ( how reliable are Rome's Church Fathers?)[/URL]

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News Item2/28/16 7:05 AM
NeedHim  Find all comments by NeedHim
My hope, my salvation,& my self sustaining comes from the Lord alone amen.

PS 62:5 My soul, wait silently for God alone,
For my expectation is from Him.

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