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THURSDAY, NOV 5, 2015  |  263 comments
New DNA study adds support to Shroud of Turin’s validity?

The Shroud of Turin – revered by many as the burial cloth of Jesus — might be authentic after all, a new DNA study suggests.

After radiocarbon testing in the 1980s dated its origin between A.D. 1260 and A.D. 1360, many dispelled the legend surrounding the artifact.

Then some challenged the testing process because scientists had examined patches added to the shroud, not the original cloth. The patches were much newer than the original shroud.

In the most recent study, Gianni Barcaccia, a geneticist in the University of Padua in Italy, found human DNA of Middle East origin on the cloth. ...


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News Item11/27/15 2:36 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
pennnelope wrote:
1. this will be my last
2. I'm not differentiating the past from the present but equivalizing...
1. Sorry for missing your objective and trying your patience.
Though there are some points we seem to converge as on the meaning of Deut 23:1, or about the significance of the phrase the 'sons of Belial' in Jug 19:22 &20:13, you seem to have in mind more than what is grasped, or is clear/apparent.

My apologies for finding difficulty in following your trend of thought.

2. Certainly sin is not 'new', any type of sin and its practice has had a precedent/antecedent in history.
'Nothing new under the sun'

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News Item11/27/15 1:39 PM
pennnelope  Find all comments by pennnelope
B. McCausland wrote:
Penned, you are reading so much into 'cult prostitution' in the Bible,
this will be my last. honestly, I've just showing you what's clearly taught in the chapter...

I don't know if this will help, just looked up SA sermons...

Jason Cooley, "Homosexuality is Occult Worship"

http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=61015234701

we are seeing the old cults gain ground over society, I'm not differentiating the past from the present but equivalizing...

Kind regards returned.

Jude 10-11
"But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

"Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core."

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News Item11/27/15 1:16 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
pennelope wrote:
cult prostitution.
Penned, you are reading so much into 'cult prostitution' in the Bible, because of the version you are using which gives you such slant as an interpretation instead of word rendering -as often modern versions do.

The Hebrew word for whore 'zanah' throughout Scripture is used for female prostitution, while the word 'qadesh' is the word for male prostitution, say sodomy. Both sorts are sinful, either as personal or as part of a cult, which settings modern versions try to set appart in order to shift away personal guilt from individual's practice.

Ancient religions included prostitution in their temples as part of the rituals, to what Scripture indirectly admits in the prophets for instance, Ez 8:3
"The spirit lifted me up ...and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate ... where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provokes to jealousy"

This was the idol of fertility believed to endear the one serving it with 'passion' or lust. Idols as such were often associated with prostitution as the cult of Venus for females, or the cult of Mirthra for males.

Perhaps we should differenciate between such instances, and the secular/modern concept you have in mind

Regards

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News Item11/27/15 12:00 PM
pennelope  Find all comments by pennelope
Thank you for your scriptures, and yes, we have to publicly detail if Chrstians deny and create santized reality. Christians have done a fine job of hiding from the reality around us, and it isn't helping the cause of Christ. But I'm trying to make a point,and that is the NIV says "cult prostitute" and they are precisely correct and I'll show you here...

Deut 23:1 cultic mutilation
23:3 Moab -- they were the baal worshippers, balak aimed to destroy Israel with baal worship, read numbers 22-25
23:4 Balaam was the interceder who compromised with balak for fortune and brought in the baal worship on Israel in numbers 22-25 which was CULT PROSTITUTION.
23:5 Israel was pure at first because they rejected CULT PROSTITUTION
23:17-18 back to CULT PROSTITUTION, "do not bring a female prostitute's wages or a male prostitute's"

this deuteronomy chapter is about the cults around them, referring to the real life events of numbers 22-25. (same generation) baalpeor. they would maim the men and do all sorts of evil acts.

and back to revelations 2:14 - "who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taugt Balak to place a stumbling block...
idols and to commit sexual immorality"

Deuternonomy 23 is about cult prostitution.

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News Item11/27/15 11:32 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
pennned wrote:
I'm ready with scriptures ...
Penned, it is obvious you are seriously concerned about the depths this sin engages in, to which, obviously, the basic intent of the commandment still applies.

As stated in Ep 5:11-12, there is no need to publicly detail the ins and outs, including the cult status, of any sinful practice:

"have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness,
but rather reprove them.
For it is a shame even to speak of those things
which are done of them in secret"

As for the predators and allurement mentioned, the word of God makes a case for 'fleeing' from any appearance of evil, and this is the best parental/individual advice in order to pull away any from such fires of damnation.
"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man does is without the body;
but he that commits fornication sins against his own body."1Co 6:18

Flee (Greek pheugo) meaning to run away in great speed, or to procure safe escape

So may we leave the matter as this, having in mind the advice in Jd 1

"of some have compassion, making a difference:
And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire;
hating even the garment spotted by the flesh"

Take care

"a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him" Jh 10

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News Item11/27/15 10:36 AM
pennned  Find all comments by pennned
Hi McC, just individuals raised normally who go astray? there was a man posed as a sodomite and went into one of their bars. all on video and asked them how they got into it. they all described being raped as little boys. you ever lived among a group of them? its predatory. they go into the men's bathrooms where they are seen by all, they abuse each other with masochism. you think this is just about two guys who are sinners in their private homes?

lets examine the Hollywood/music industry dominated by kabbal. shall I show you Madonna's rabbi? shall I show you pictures of her posing as a satanic priestess? -- this is a religion, it is already a cult.

Historically... look at deut 23:1 (did you read my other scriptures so you can see where I'm going)? -- the demasculating of the men was the cult. it was baal and ashtorah and they would degrade the masculinity to worship these gods (condemn the natural order)

sodomy is prostitution, and I believe this is a crucial apologetic point, because by accepting this, we are creating a society in which children are groomed for cultic perversions. shall I play the link of the boy, half clothed at pride parade?

I'm ready with scriptures in next post...

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News Item11/26/15 4:28 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
authentic forgery wrote:
"Adolf Hitler ... had his own bible printed, ... all Hebrew words like hallelujah were removed. He also replaced the Ten Commandments with twelve of this own. ... wrote his own version of the Lord’s Prayer, to be recited by the Hitler Youth:
“Adolf Hitler, you are our great Fuhrer. Thy name makes the enemy tremble. Thy Third Reich comes; thy will alone is law upon the earth. Let us hear daily thy voice, and order us by thy leadership, for we will obey to the end, even with our lives We praise thee; hail Hitler Fuhrer my Fuhrer, given me by God. Protect and preserve my life for long. You saved Germany in time of need; I thank you for my daily bread; be with me for a long time, do not leave me, Fuhrer my Fuhrer, my faith, my light – hail, my Fuhrer.”

http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/churchhistory/godandhitler/

Significant information presented in this site.
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News Item11/26/15 1:44 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
pennnelope wrote:
1. (commandments) intentionally personal
2. the idea that sin is "personal" and not "public" or "its ok because it doesn't affect others" is used as an excuse.
3. if this was about "personal" choice they'd be keeping to themselves
sodomy has always been connected to cultic practices … this is more than "personal choices"
its demonic in nature
1. Any disobedience starts at personal level.
Say individuals fail to respect or honour the 4th commandment, then churches fail to do so, then the nation does, and ultimately the State legislates against it. This has happened literally in UK. With the infringing of any commandment, the progression from personal to public follows often such a pattern

2. Sorry, this is not the intended trail of thought

3. It starts at personal level, and from this it escalates into a cult, when individuals out of mutual/internal shame 'team up' as explained in another post.
In Jug 19:22 &20:13 sodomites are called 'sons of Belial'.
In this instance a national upheaval developed in order to eradicate the practice. Apparently, there was a 'gang' of these men, yet there is no instance implying they were 'cult prostitutes' per se.

Sorry, if your understanding is unintentionally misrepresented

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News Item11/26/15 10:59 AM
authentic forgery | woods  Find all comments by authentic forgery
Hands off the Bible!
"Adolf Hitler hated the Bible,” says Ray Comfort. “He had his own bible printed, 100,000 copies. There are some copies still around, but most of them were destroyed by people who realized what Hitler had done.”

In Hitler’s bible, all Hebrew words like hallelujah were removed. He also replaced the Ten Commandments with twelve of this own. Among them:

Keep the blood pure and your honor holy.

Maintain and multiply the heritage of your forefathers.

Joyously serve the people with work and sacrifice.

Honour your Fuhrer and Master.

Hitler also wrote his own version of the Lord’s Prayer, to be recited by the Hitler Youth:

“Adolf Hitler, you are our great Fuhrer. Thy name makes the enemy tremble. Thy Third Reich comes; thy will alone is law upon the earth. Let us hear daily thy voice, and order us by thy leadership, for we will obey to the end, even with our lives We praise thee; hail Hitler Fuhrer my Fuhrer, given me by God. Protect and preserve my life for long. You saved Germany in time of need; I thank you for my daily bread; be with me for a long time, do not leave me, Fuhrer my Fuhrer, my faith, my light – hail, my Fuhrer.”

http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/churchhistory/godandhitler/


I had forgotten this corrupt "version

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News Item11/26/15 10:24 AM
pennnelope  Find all comments by pennnelope
yes, dear sister they are intentionally personal to us, but the idea that sin is "personal" and not "public" or "its ok because it doesn't affect others" is used as an excuse. this is a public problem -- sodomy has always been connected to cultic practices. and now it involves them re-creating all of society, bringing strange books into grade schools to demoralize the little children.... this is more than "personal choices" its the ultimate in the occult, its demonic in nature, predatory, and they are using our institutions to do it. if this was about "personal" choice they'd be keeping to themselves. see Romans 2, they exchanged faith in God for myths and worshipping idols.

thanks for the link AF. I read through part of it, its very long, good resource.

and there is a religion behind this. the NWO, eugenics, depopulation, animals are people, Darwinian kabbal. kabbal teaches the mixing of gender, shekinah glory is a female spirit. (is this why pastors speak of it as "personal" because they cannot reveal the religion?)

now who is spiritual Sodom? this is also spoken of in scripture.... Revelation 11:8

notice jude 1 description and back to balaam of deut 23:17, that's one of the gods, and Rev 2:14 -stumbling block, idols, fornication. public cultic, balaam.

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News Item11/26/15 1:08 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Pencilman:

James White wrote:
Further, consider the implications of those who offer the kinds of New Age conspiracy theories G. A. Riplinger does. It means that literally scores of Evangelical scholars, scholars who are, in fact, godly men and who truly love Jesus Christ, now become members of a New Age satanic conspiracy whose end goal is to cause the world to accept the Antichrist and worship Satan. Among such “Luciferians” who have worked on the NIV or NASB committees are Drs. Gleason Archer and Walter C. Kaiser, Jr., of Trinity Evangelical Divinity School,...And yet we are asked to believe all these men and others like them actually oppose Christ and are part of a satanic conspiracy to destroy the purity of God’s Word and institute worldwide Satan worship!

Perhaps we can best listen to what God Himself wrote to us in the King James Bible: [URL=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+4%3A14-15&version=KJV]]]Eph. 4:14–15[/URL]

-- [URL=https://www.jashow.org/articles/uncategorized/is-the-king-james-version-of-the-bible-the-only-bible-christians-should-trust-and-readpart-3/]]]Is the KJV the Only Bible...Part 3[/URL]
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News Item11/25/15 8:22 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Authentic forgery wrote:
The UFMCC acknowledges that in "1 Corinthians 6:9, Paul condemns those who are `effeminate' and `abusers of themselves with mankind...'" The first of these words, the UFMCC says, "most likely refers to someone who lacks discipline or moral control,"rather than to a homosexual person or persons. Of the second word, the UFMCC says: "Paul [was] extremely concerned with prostitution, so it is very possible he was referring to male prostitutes,"again, not gay persons.
Quite telling !
Such a way of getting around truth (!?..)
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News Item11/25/15 8:12 PM
Authentic forgery | Dusty bin  Find all comments by Authentic forgery
B. McCausland wrote:
The commandments of God are most intentionally personal,
Nicely said

The strategy of
[URL=http://talkwisdom.blogspot.com/2006/11/queer-theology-exposed.html?m=1]]]"Queer Theology" exposed[/URL]

Making prohibitions against sodomy "really mean" an anachronistic extinct practice has been UFMCC's way of deception.

"
The UFMCC acknowledges that in "1 Corinthians 6:9, Paul condemns those who are `effeminate' and `abusers of themselves with mankind...'" The first of these words, the UFMCC says, "most likely refers to someone who lacks discipline or moral control,"rather than to a homosexual person or persons. Of the second word, the UFMCC says: "Paul [was] extremely concerned with prostitution, so it is very possible he was referring to male prostitutes,"again, not gay persons.

Under the heading "Other Insights," the UFMCC pamphlet quotes Robin Scroggs, a Union Theological Seminary Professor of Biblical Theology: "The homosexuality the New Testament opposes is the pederasty of the Greco-Roman culture..."
"
Similar to thinking an inner city minister's statement,

"don't be a 'ho'. "

only bans "$$ for actions "
A misuse of etymology of "ho" that ignores a generic condemnation of loose, non-chaste living.

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News Item11/25/15 7:45 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
pennned wrote:
1. so you see its the same word? well, good then.
2. the topic is too offensive to dive more deeply, (I'm not wanting to put out the scripture references, although they make my point, please forgive me for ending it here)
3. I disagree with looking at the practice as "personal" or disconnected from cultic practices. Good day to you.
1 & 3 Well, the use of the term somewhere else in Scripture supports that idea, however.
2. No problem.

Take care

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News Item11/25/15 7:31 PM
pennned  Find all comments by pennned
Hello BMcB, so you see its the same word? well, good then.

the topic is too offensive to dive more deeply, (I'm not wanting to put out the scripture references, although they make my point, please forgive me for ending it here) but I will say I disagree with looking at the practice as "personal" or disconnected from cultic practices. Good day to you.

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News Item11/25/15 3:00 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Well going to Strong's numbers for the KJV: Whore
06948:
6948 qdeshah ked-ay-shaw' feminine of 6945; a female devotee (i.e. prostitute):--harlot, whore. see HEBREW for 06945

Sodomite
06945:
6945 qadesh kaw-dashe' from 6942; a (quasi) sacred person, i.e. (technically) a (male) devotee (by prostitution) to licentious idolatry:-- sodomite, unclean. see HEBREW for 06942

Unfortunately, you have to use something like Strong's Concordance for many times to get the real meaning of something in the KJV. It's much easier and more accurate to use a modern translation.

Deuteronomy 23:17 “None of the daughters of Israel shall be a cult prostitute, and none of the sons of Israel shall be a cult prostitute. --- ESV

The KJV is a curio of the past but not for serious Bible study.

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News Item11/25/15 2:53 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
pennnelope wrote:
1. I said.....yet uses the same root word.... kedeshah, kadesh
now if the dictionary is wrong (ie doesn't mean cult prostitute), then the KJV translated the feminine form wrong, because the KJV for the feminine says prostitute ie whore.....

2. Jim
“None of the daughters of Israel shall be a cult prostitute, and none of the sons of Israel shall be a cult prostitute" ESV

1. Deut 23:17
"There shall be no whore (kedeshah) of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite (kadesh) of the sons of Israel"

The primary sense of the noun (kedeshah, or kadesh) either feminine or masculine, seems to indicate plain personal practice, rather than an institutionalized cult into which primary practice of course eventually may derive.

2. The commandments of God are most intentionally personal, before they become of a national or ethical rational, and when the second setting is intended, the context and detail included in the passage itself, declare it so.

It is general knowledge how prostitution or sodomy enter into a 'cult' status by the intrinsic isolation of shame in those practicing.

However, this seems another case where modern translators take 'free' licenses to interpret at the expense of faithfulness and common sense.

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News Item11/25/15 12:42 PM
pennnelope  Find all comments by pennnelope
I said.....yet uses the same root word.... kedeshah, kadesh
now if the dictionary is wrong (ie doesn't mean cult prostitute), then the KJV translated the feminine form wrong, because the KJV for the feminine says prostitute ie whore.....

pencil man, you might notice I answered your accusation.

by your logic, the first half of KJV Deut 23:17 is translated wrong.

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News Item11/25/15 11:52 AM
pencil man | paper book  Find all comments by pencil man
pennnleope wrote:
if the dictionary is wrong
claims to correct God’s word are heard from pulpits, television, and radio programs,internet blogs, and the pages of new Bibles and lexicons, which pronounce, “That word in Greek really means.” According to the book of Luke, Satan comes immediately after a scripture has been given and tries to take it away.
“Then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts”
Luke 8:12
Instead of saying “The Greek says,” one should more correctly say, “Liddell says,”“Vincent says,” “Trench says,” or “Brown, Driver and Briggs say.” These men try to re-define the words of the Holy Bible. Their words are echoed by mere copycats in more recent lexicons and are echoed again in new versions. All are echoing the disentombed word-choices of unsaved, God-hating liberals from the middle and late 1800s. I learned about these men and the mindset behind their words, now
seen in the NIV, NKJV, ESV, TNIV, HCSB, NRSV, and the latest NASB(version10).

Of the dead entombed breath of the scribes Jesus said, “…the men that walk
over them are not aware of them” (Luke 11:44).

Why I don't blindly trust dictionaries:
current dictionaries define marriage as between same gender.

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News Item11/25/15 11:21 AM
pennnleope  Find all comments by pennnleope
is a nasty topic, cannot go into all... I'll say this, the verse begins with the feminine form of the word and then the second half of the verse the masculine. its the same word but masculine or feminine as the Hebrew says.

KJV translates first word as "prostitute" and second as "sodomite", yet uses the same root word.... kedeshah, kadesh

now if the dictionary is wrong (ie doesn't mean cult prostitute), then the KJV translated the feminine form wrong, because the KJV for the feminine says prostitute.

if the dictionary is right (word means cult prostitte), then the KJV translate the feminine side correctly and went out on a limb with "sodomy" -- or maybe they are directly related and we are just being argumentative?

how about backgrounds? male and female prostitutes were used in worship of Astarte

the LXX translates in English to "fornicator"

and the Geneva "whoring"

scripture sees to connect sodomy to prostitution, which makes sense it is spiritual prostitution, and has always been promoted by the occult.

so I really do not have a problem with any of these translations. however, it seems the NIV is best in this case because it recognizes the connection of the sin to the practice of it at the time that the law was given.

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