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TUESDAY, JUL 14, 2015  |  126 comments
Fastest-growing High-school Sport? Trap Shooting
Sitting in church one Sunday morning in 2001, Jim Sable, at age 62 one of the youngest members of his Twin Cities gun club, saw an announcement in the church bulletin: “Mentor needed as a trap shooting tutor.” He jumped at the chance to help reverse the aging trend among his peers. Calling it “divine providence,” Sable started tutoring a 14-year-old girl from the church in the fine art of winging clay pigeons with a 12-guage shotgun. She became the first member of the Orono High School trapshooting team.

By 2010, there were 340 students from around the state of Minnesota taking part in the sport. In 2012, there were 1,500. In 2014, there were 6,100.

So far this year 8,600 high-school students, on 268 teams, are practicing those skills at 165 ranges across the state. Hundreds more have been turned away for lack of facilities and coaches such as Sable. Other states such as Wisconsin and North ...


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News Item8/1/15 10:58 AM
Left Arm | Right Hand  Find all comments by Left Arm
Mike wrote:
"... teach people how dangerous it is to carry blades."
Who listens to this rubbish? Men without chests?
Sissies without law,common sense, a Bible, nor a Lord ;
gelded cattle fit for slaughter.

1. The Bible 2. Montesquieu 3. Sir William Blackstone 4. John Locke
... take Jesus literally when he COMMANDED His disciples to buy a sword even if it meant selling one’s clothes in order to afford it. (Luke 22:36) If that doesn’t make the right and duty to keep and bear arms a divine mandate, I don’t know what does.
And remember, too, that the sword Jesus told His disciples to buy was the same sword that the Apostle Paul said that civil government bore in Romans 13. Jesus was not talking about a pocketknife, folks. He was talking about the most sophisticated, efficient self-defense tool known to man at the time: the Roman SWORD
. “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel”? (I Timothy 5:8

The loving man provides for the common defense.

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News Item8/1/15 7:43 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
"The head of a British victims advocacy group believes that the way to end the increase in knife-related crimes is to teach people how dangerous it is to carry blades."

Who listens to this rubbish? Men without chests?

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News Item8/1/15 7:10 AM
knife | edge  Find all comments by knife
U.K. Criminalizes Knife Possession; Result? Knife Violence Increases

It's against the law to carry a knife in England. As you would expect, knife crime is going up.

“Police recorded 26,370 offences in 2014/15, up from 25,974 the previous year,” the BBC reported on July 16.

Specifically, the BBC reports that “possession of knife offences rose by 10%, sexual assaults with knives went up 28%, and knife assaults increased by 13% from 11,911 to 13,488 offences.”

Quick to respond to the uptick, officials on July 17 instituted new harsher punishments for owning a knife.

According to the BBC report, the new laws mandate that “adults in Englannd and Wales convicted more than once of being in possession of a blade face a minimum six month prison sentence and a maximum of four years.”

The head of a British victims advocacy group believes that the way to end the increase in knife-related crimes is to teach people how dangerous it is to carry blades.

“After years of success in driving knife crime down, this rise is a worrying development and efforts to educate people about the dangers of carrying knives must be stepped up,” advised Mark Castle, chief executive of Victim Support.

History isn’t on the side of those who think banning a weapon will lead to a decrease in vi

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News Item7/20/15 4:48 PM
James Thomas | Florida  Find all comments by James Thomas
Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him. (Hebrews 2:8 ESV)

Ultimately His purpose and will IS served with our lives....even those who do not call upon the name of God. See Isaiah 10 and read on the Assyrian for this.

As for weapons.... bible references that validate you must carry one can only be manufactured.

In Jericho with Joshua, no weapons were used.

Gideon used weapons.

Both were following God.

I do not see any frowning from God on Elijah, Samuel, or Gideon using weapons for the God given purpose.

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News Item7/20/15 4:15 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hi Shepton, I agree. I should have been more clear on what I consider weapons though because I know the thread is mainly about guns. I guess I meant by whatever means necessary...fist, lamp, teeth, fingernails, portable siren, or legs to kick and run. I understand what you're saying, but have to give it some thought. This is all difficult for me to understand, because even though I trust God, and know that nothing happens without Him allowing it, I also know that Satan is the current ruler of this world, a world that is becoming more and more dangerous, and as he attacks, it seems to me that we are to defend and fight for or lives, should a situation present itself. Rather than fighting against God's timing, or fighting against God because of the "whatever will be, will be" idea, so we should just let whatever happen, happen, I feel that we are to protect ourselves from Satan's attacks by any means the God puts at our disposal.
I don't know if I made sense, but will think your comments over. Thanks.
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News Item7/20/15 2:45 PM
shepton  Find all comments by shepton
Christopher000 wrote:
I truly believe that every single person would defend themselves and their familys, etc, should they face a situation that called for them to raise their weapon
The problem with that position or belief is that you are cutting God out of the process.

What you are saying is that the event you expect of an attack by some criminal is definitely going to happen regardless of God.

But the point is that if you trust in God for your life then HE is not going to allow the event in the first place.

Thus there is no reason for you to be armed in the first place. Trust in God not to save you through being armed and ready for some obscure event in the future, and win the shoot-out. - But instead trust in God for your entire life "in HIS hands" at all times now and in the future HE provides for you.

SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD:
"This simply refers to the fact that all things are under His rule and control, and that nothing happens in this Universe without His direction or permission. He is a God Who works, not just some things, but all things after the counsel of His own will (see Eph. 1:11). God's purpose is all- inclusive and is never thwarted (see Isa. 46:11). Nothing Takes Him by Surprise" (monergism.com)

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News Item7/20/15 9:30 AM
Mourner  Find all comments by Mourner
Question 136: What are the sins forbidden in the sixth commandment?

Answer: The sins forbidden in the sixth commandment are, all taking away the life of ourselves, or of others, (as relates to this article and discussion) *except in the case of public justice, lawful war, or necessary defense;* the neglecting or withdrawing the lawful and necessary means of preservation of life; sinful anger, hatred, envy, desire of revenge;all excessive passions, distracting cares; immoderate use of meat, drink, labor, and recreations; provoking words, oppression, quarreling, striking, wounding, and: Whatsoever else tends to the destruction of the life of any.

It is necessary to consider: What is public justice?, lawful war? and necessary defense?; as regards the use of fire arms, from a Christian perspective.

This is a female offering on the topic and though guns frighten me, so does oppression, tyranny and the resulting violence.

Some years ago now there was a thief at large in our locality and the police were searching for the perpetrator. I observed the very different instinctual response of myself and my son when the farm animals let us know there was something or someone on the property. We had no firearm but the threat (adrenalin rise) showed a different response in gender.

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News Item7/20/15 8:33 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Christopher000 wrote:
Thanks for the discussion below. Very interesting to read the various views. Seems to me that unless the Bible specifically says,"defend yourselves from an attacker, protect your life", then some believe it's a sin to do just that because we are trying to extend our lives beyond God's timing. Again, for me, it really boils down to common scense. I truly believe that every single person would defend themselves and their familys, etc, should they face a situation that called for them to raise their weapon or be extinguished.
You bring up an interesting point. They say God's determines when you die. Ok, if they truly believed God determines when your time is up, they ought not have a problem with defending yourself or your family. Why? There would be no extension of life via defense, but simply doing what God has for you to do. Their position doesn't make a lot of sense in light of what is claimed.
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News Item7/20/15 7:48 AM
Mourner  Find all comments by Mourner
From the WCF LC Historical, Ministerial view of the 6th Commandment

Question 134: Which is the sixth commandment?

Answer: The sixth commandment is, Thou shalt not kill.

Question 135: What are the duties required in the sixth commandment?

Answer: The duties required in the sixth commandment are, all careful studies, and lawful endeavors, to preserve the life of ourselves and others by resisting all thoughts and purposes, subduing all passions, and avoiding all occasions, temptations, and practices, which tend to the unjust taking away the life of any; by just defense thereof against violence, patient bearing of the hand of God, quietness of mind, cheerfulness of spirit; a sober use of meat, drink, physic, sleep, labor, and recreations; by charitable thoughts, love, compassion, meekness, gentleness, kindness; peaceable, mild and courteous speeches and behavior; forbearance, readiness to be reconciled, patient bearing and forgiving of injuries, and requiting good for evil; comforting and succoring the distressed, and protecting and defending the innocent.

First point what are the sins of omission consider these things. Next point sins of commission will be adressed in the next question to be contin...

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News Item7/20/15 7:30 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks for the discussion below. Very interesting to read the various views. Seems to me that unless the Bible specifically says,"defend yourselves from an attacker, protect your life", then some believe it's a sin to do just that because we are trying to extend our lives beyond God's timing. Again, for me, it really boils down to common scense. I truly believe that every single person would defend themselves and their familys, etc, should they face a situation that called for them to raise their weapon or be extinguished.
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News Item7/19/15 9:32 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Left Arm wrote:
1. The Bible 2. Montesquieu 3. Sir William Blackstone 4. John Locke
... take Jesus literally when he COMMANDED His disciples to buy a sword even if it meant selling one’s clothes in order to afford it. (Luke 22:36) If that doesn’t make the right and duty to keep and bear arms a divine mandate, I don’t know what does.
Where's Little Finger when you need him? Come out, come out wherever you are..... there's a proselyte to be made.
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News Item7/19/15 8:56 PM
Left Arm | Right Hand  Find all comments by Left Arm
Lurker wrote:
"Left Arm" who says
1. The Bible 2. Montesquieu 3. Sir William Blackstone 4. John Locke

... take Jesus literally when he COMMANDED His disciples to buy a sword even if it meant selling one’s clothes in order to afford it. (Luke 22:36) If that doesn’t make the right and duty to keep and bear arms a divine mandate, I don’t know what does.

And remember, too, that the sword Jesus told His disciples to buy was the same sword that the Apostle Paul said that civil government bore in Romans 13. Jesus was not talking about a pocketknife, folks. He was talking about the most sophisticated, efficient self-defense tool known to man at the time: the Roman sword. For us in modern times that would be the equivalent of an AR-15-style semi-automatic rifle. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the gift of liberty (in all of its forms) is as spiritual and godly as the gift of physical life or the gift of spiritual salvation. “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel”? (I Timothy 5:8

cf : Pastor Baldwin's column.

Which is why SA covers items like this: some think it important to get familiar w/ firearms as a tool we can use 2 provide 4 our household.

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News Item7/19/15 8:27 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
BWS wrote:
Archery too. But why this is Christian news I do not know.
SA doesn't post Christian news, it posts news that may be of interest to Christians. Since there are over 100 comments on this, it does fall into the category of interest.
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News Item7/19/15 3:01 PM
BWS  Find all comments by BWS
Archery too. But why this is Christian news I do not know.
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News Item7/18/15 2:43 PM
Sword of the Word  Find all comments by Sword of the Word
Mike wrote:
He provided spears, swords, chariots, shields, knives, men for fighting, even a sling and stones for David, etc. But you're right, there is no biblical account he provided guns.
Context, Context, Context.

The Lord has not sent the Christians against the philistines nor to take over Canaan.

Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

God's Right to bear arms law.
"Gospel of Peace" - No Guns required.
"Sword of the Spirit = The Word of God" - No guns required again.

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News Item7/17/15 5:44 PM
Dave | oz  Find all comments by Dave
Let's ban cars ey, most people drive reasonably, but cos a lot drive like idiots killing people on
mass all over the world daily, we should ban all cars cos they kill. Stupid statement hey.
People kill people not guns.
A gun can't sin .
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News Item7/17/15 5:06 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
little finger wrote:
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ps: God does not provide guns!
He provided spears, swords, chariots, shields, knives, men for fighting, even a sling and stones for David, etc. But you're right, there is no biblical account he provided guns.
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News Item7/17/15 4:28 PM
James Thomas | Florida  Find all comments by James Thomas
little finger wrote:
ps: God does not provide guns!
Samuel and Elijah had swords and used them. 1 Samuel 15 and 1 Kings 18.

Using guns(had they existed) would be different?

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News Item7/17/15 4:01 PM
little finger  Find all comments by little finger
Mike wrote:
No biblical requirement for the elect to be fatalist.
The elect are not fatalist they are all taught of God IN Christ and predestinated unto eternal life. They are provided with God's gift of faith which includes knowledge and understanding provided by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
With this gift of God they fully trust in God for life and all providence and mercy by God alone.

They also present their theology in the Biblical doctrines of Grace aka TULIP.

Ro 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

God's PURPOSE:
Ro.8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to HIS PURPOSE
29 For whom HE DID FOREKNOW, he also DID PREDESTINATE to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, THEM HE ALSO CALLED: and whom he called, them HE ALSO JUSTIFIED: and whom he justified, them HE ALSO GLORIFIED."

God does it all the sinner can do nothing. Halleluiah.

ps: God does not provide guns!

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News Item7/17/15 3:33 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Sorry, my previous post should have said-

No biblical requirement for the elect to be fatalist.

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