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SUNDAY, JUN 21, 2015  |  22 comments  |  1 commentary
Christian Family-Run Business Closing After Refusing to Host Gay 'Wedding'

The Christian owners of a gift shop and bistro in Iowa, who were earlier charged with discrimination and had to pay for a settlement after refusing to hold a same-sex wedding at the venue, say they are now having to close down their business completely.

Richard Odgaard and his wife, Betty, the owners of Görtz Haus Gallery in Grimes, Iowa, say they will close their business completely by the end of August, about two years after they told a gay couple from Des Moines their facility cannot be rented for the wedding.

The gay couple promptly filed a discrimination complaint through the Iowa Civil Rights Commission. Although the Odgaards refused to admit they discriminated against the same-sex couple, they agreed for a $5,000 settlement. ...


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News Item6/24/15 12:33 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Christopher000 wrote:
Oops, sorry about the "1800's" comment, Frank. ha-ha. : /
I meant to type 1950's era and beyond. I hope I didn't offend you. I normally proof before I submit. I'll bet I went straight to your people to ignore list after that one.
You are a nice and kind fellow. When I first read the 1800s comment I thought you were being sarcastic, but then I thought you were just exaggerating. Anyway, all is good between us; no problems on this end.
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News Item6/23/15 7:19 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Oops, sorry about the "1800's" comment, Frank. ha-ha. : /
I meant to type 1950's era and beyond. I hope I didn't offend you. I normally proof before I submit. I'll bet I went straight to your people to ignore list after that one.
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News Item6/22/15 6:30 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Dorcas wrote:
Frank,
You will love this story....my husband and myself ran our own business for many years till ill health retired us.
Long story short, ours was a construction company and our crew was all males...we had some feminazis come around the job-site looking to get hired; they were told in a polite way NO, probably would be hauled into court now a days.
Thanks for that history sister. Yes, I think today you would be taken to court. Here is a thought that mirrors yours about things that are appropriate for female employment. If there is a female cop and she is on the streets, just about every male would be able to overpower her. So by the standards set up by all police forces, she would be legally able to shoot all suspects who resisted in any way.

No egalitarianism with either of us. I haven't heard the feminazi thought in years. In fact, it was right before Limbau became politically correct, or should I say more politically correct.

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News Item6/22/15 3:15 PM
Dorcas  Find all comments by Dorcas
Frank,
You will love this story....my husband and myself ran our own business for many years till ill health retired us.
Long story short, ours was a construction company and our crew was all males...we had some feminazis come around the job-site looking to get hired; they were told in a polite way NO, probably would be hauled into court now a days.
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News Item6/22/15 2:31 PM
s c | Oh  Find all comments by s c
Keep the stories coming Frank. And I think that your assessment of our present condition is quite correct. This nation opened up "pandora's box" when it compromised in other areas of sexuality. We are being judged by what many of us view as more abominable.
A nation can't be consumed with sexual sin and then wish to be immune from the sexual sins which it doesn't condone. The proliferation of the sodomite agenda is a very appropriate judgment on this country.At least,it might open our eyes to our own lewd sins.
And,just as an aside,the lady in the picture looks a lot like another business "martyr" in a previous story...from what I recall.
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News Item6/22/15 2:07 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Keep the storys coming, Frank. I like to hear about life, as it was in the 1800's and find it interesting. When I watch TV, I've come to like older type, family minded westerns, and older, even black and white shows that are all pretty clean. They give a good glimpe of what was acceptable and what wasn't, etc, in the days gone by. What a sharp contrast to todays programming. The shows I watch are mostly from the late 60's, early 70's and the progression from then to now is pretty incredible. Mostly from before my time but I find them relaxing and stress free.
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News Item6/22/15 12:54 PM
Fenward  Find all comments by Fenward
"had to pay for a settlement after refusing to hold a same-sex wedding at the venue, say they are now having to close down their business completely."

Satan is becoming more blatant and obvious in society these days. Attacking all that is Christian and Bible related.

To live in this world you must ditch the Bible and obey Satan, just like the Liberal churches have done.

Satan even hides behind words like 'gay' - a lie - to make evil acceptable to the reprobates going to burn in hell.

Jude 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

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News Item6/22/15 12:36 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
I’m sure everyone wants to hear my stories related to my age. I remember the time when if a man and woman were travelling and stopped at a motel. Many, but not all, motel owners would ask whether or not the couple was legally married. This happened frequently because the names of both parties were asked for. It was simply not culturally correct for someone to have sex outside of marriage. Now if the fellow who was checking in said no, they would often be refused a room for the night. So, my guess is heterosexual promiscuity caused this outpouring of homosexual behavior. Open up Pandora ’s Box and you get what we are seeing today.

I would like to think that if I had a business and a homosexual couple wanted me to do something that gave moral or social credence to their lifestyle, I would simply say no. But, I thank God that I have been retired for many years and it is unlikely I will ever have to make that kind of choice. In other words, would I be strong enough to possibly deprive my family from a livelihood to serve Christ? I am often amazed and motivated when I hear of someone in the Middle East giving up their lives for Christ when their families will be left destitute. Paul also felt that his suffering for Christ would lead others to do the same.

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News Item6/22/15 6:43 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
All they have to do is to get wind of who the Christians are, or call/walk in business by business until they get that coveted refusal of service and it's as good as money in the bank.
I think if I was commissioned to do a painting of a sodomite couple embracing, I would tell them that if I completed it, the money would go to the church to promote better the word of God on every subject including sodomy. However, I would also make clear that due to my own beliefs, I would be going against conscience in attempting such a project, and this would cause such a trembling and shaking during the painting process, that it would come out all weird and unrealistic, but that if they wanted me to continue, I would do so if they paid up front, and accepted the finished painting without murmur.
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News Item6/22/15 6:05 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
B McCausland Wrote:

"...Yet the vision, perception and priorities of the Christian church need re-adjusting."

Boy, don't they ever. I agree.

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News Item6/22/15 5:52 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Christopher000 wrote:
Personally, and this will sound harsh at first glance, but I wouldn't have flipped them a dime. The reason I wouldn't have is because it would have been the same as tossing that dime in the trash. This is a brave new, upside down world where the sodomites have risen to ower and are having new laws written specifically to form a bubble of protection around them. What I'm meaning to say is that there is no battle to be made and no fight to be won when they've won before it even begins. All they have to do is to get wind of who the Christians are, or call/walk in business by business until they get that coveted refusal of service and it's as good as money in the bank.
Understood, some have the 'pan by the handle', say the lobbing, the judicial power on their side, and the ear of those in charge .

Our present seems to have much in common with the times in which the church has been persecuted. Say either during the Roman Empire times, Inquisition days, or during the counter Reformation era in England and Northern Europe.

Yet the vision, perception and priorities of the Christian church need re-adjusting.

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News Item6/22/15 5:50 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Personally, and this will sound harsh at first glance, but I wouldn't have flipped them a dime. The reason I wouldn't have is because it would have been the same as tossing that dime in the trash. This is a brave new, upside down world where the sodomites have risen to ower and are having new laws written specifically to form a bubble of protection around them. What I'm meaning to say is that there is no battle to be made and no fight to be won when they've won before it even begins. All they have to do is to get wind of who the Christians are, or call/walk in business by business until they get that coveted refusal of service and it's as good as money in the bank.
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News Item6/22/15 5:10 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
LAStreetPreacher wrote:
Why wasn't there enough money coming forth from all the local Christian churches to step forward and fund this Christian business so that it could defend itself against these homosexuals?
I think part of the problem is that 98% of local churches are 501c3 incorporated which means they are State churches which dare not speak out against politically incorrect matters.
Good insight.
Surely there are huge amounts of money invested in ungodly causes, useless programs, fleshly interests, sentimental plans, and banal efforts!

Giving priorities are misguided due to wrong perception and worldly set of values.

People give out of whims, hiccups, guilt, emotional manipulation or unsanctified agendas. The criteria for giving is not Scripture-based, or Spirit-led.

"Where there is no vision, the people perish:" Prov.29:18

"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Is. 8:20

"Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not." Is. 6:9

"anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see." Rev. 3:18

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News Item6/22/15 4:50 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
LAStreetPreacher wrote:
These churches deny the Lordship of Christ by being in bed with the State via their 501c3 contract...
Do you have available the wording of this contract, which shows the point you are making? Thank you.
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News Item6/22/15 4:42 AM
LAStreetPreacher | California  Contact via emailFind all comments by LAStreetPreacher
Why wasn't there enough money coming forth from all the local Christian churches to step forward and fund this Christian business so that it could defend itself against these homosexuals?
I think part of the problem is that 98% of local churches are 501c3 incorporated which means they are State churches which dare not speak out against politically incorrect matters. Shame on them. These churches deny the Lordship of Christ by being in bed with the State via their 501c3 contract even though with their lips they honor God but their heart is far from Him. From such turn away. Better to meet in a home church like the faithful Chinese Christians.
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News Item6/22/15 1:02 AM
Nancy | ca  Find all comments by Nancy
Is there a gofundme type place to help these Christians?
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News Item6/21/15 12:03 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Freedom of trade is being violated.

A tradesman’s choice is his right, not a crime.

No one should be penalized for excersing choice when trading.

No one should be forced to trade against his will.

Freedoms of trade, along freedom of travelling/movement are two basic freedoms in any free society.

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News Item6/21/15 11:42 AM
Curious | View Finder  Find all comments by Curious
John Yurich USA wrote:
Businesses should put a sign up stating that they have the right to refuse service to anybody for any reason.
Should this apply to the NAACP's right to have someone like Rachel Dolezal volunteering in their organization?

After enough Christian businesses are closed, will we have to do what minorities did in the 60s - sit down at lunch counters in protest again?

May God help us to realize what we are doing to ourselves by preserving the self life, and not getting the Gospel that frees man from men, out to all creatures.

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News Item6/21/15 10:49 AM
Tony | wa  Contact via emailFind all comments by Tony
The same reason you would t go to a Muslim shop and ask for bacon and say that they are discriminating against you . If it's your own business you should be able to refuse a service to any customer if you want to . It's your business not there's . If they don't like it find someone else who will do it for them .
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News Item6/21/15 10:15 AM
Sickened | Toilet Bowl  Find all comments by Sickened
Cody wrote:
Right John Y and the only reason that the gay coupe would go there is just to cause problems they are communist and think they are the exception to rules
What's going on with Christian businesses? Are we large enough in numbers to support our own brethren? We should patronize Christian businesses and not accept the mark of the beast "not being able to sell ..;" then later on "to buy."
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