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MONDAY, JUN 15, 2015  |  61 comments
The Allure of Gentleness: Defending the Faith in the Manner of Jesus

Though Dallas Willard died in 2013, his final book (assembled by his daughter) was just recently released. The Allure of Gentleness: Defending the Faith in the Manner of Jesus (HarperOne, 2015) contains some heavy-duty philosophical arguments, but its core point is simply that your character must be your primary source of credibility.

In other words, it turns out that knowing Christ (and becoming like Him) is in fact the biggest requirement for Christians. Willard does not devalue the intellect—in fact, he argues for why we need to learn to think clearly—but he does value all aspects of character. He demands wholeness, insofar as it is possible. Why? “The ultimate lifter of doubt,” he writes, “is the believer acting in faith in an interactive life with God. That’s it.” ...


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John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Revelation 20:10 KJV
(10) And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

When someone is deceived by the devil, they do not know that they are deceived.

Well, until they are cast into hellfire, crying, "deceived, deceived," with great cryings and tears, and gnashing of teeth.

What a pitiful sight.

There will be a multitude of religious people among them. And at last they will bow down before God, before being sent into the eternal flames.

Romans 14:11 KJV
(11) For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

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News Item6/18/15 4:24 PM
didactics  Find all comments by didactics
John UK wrote:
There are vast numbers, falling into hellfire every week, muttering to themselves.....deceived.....deceived....
Now come on John how many times do we have to teach you?
"ALL"" God's elect "WILL" be saved.
God's elect are ~ Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"
= WHO gets eternal life? = Jn 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him."

And =
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

And
This teaches that salvation by works doesn't work:
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

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News Item6/18/15 7:12 AM
Shane | socal  Find all comments by Shane
Good morning

Philippians 4:8,9 kjv
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Those things which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

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News Item6/18/15 6:38 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
MS wrote:
@Frank...que?
No habla German..señor

That was pretty funny. I took German in grade school and can still understand much of it for some reason, even though I never liked it. Didn't like French either.

Speaking of nationalities, my Aunt had a DNA test done to discover our exact roots. On my dad's side, we are Irish and Eastern European (not sure what that consists of), but the one that really surprised us...we are 1% Jewish.. We were pretty shocked. "Our people" came from Ashkenazi. Haven't looked that up yet. Just found out late yesterday.
Question: isn't calling one a jew referring to their religion, as opposed to nationality? Wondering if she meant Israeli.

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News Item6/18/15 6:17 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Numbers 21:9 KJV
(9) And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

John 3:14-15 KJV
(14) And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
(15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

No wonder that John Baptist declared:

John 1:29 KJV
(29) The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Vast numbers of Jews did not behold the Lamb of God (Messiah-Sacrifice) and thus are in hell now and forever. Same thing for Gentiles who do not see Jesus with the eye of faith.

It will do no good whatever to claim election without the evidence of election.

"We be Abraham's children!!!!"

Nay lad.

"Whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved."

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."

"Repent and be converted."

"Lord, save me."

It is those who humble themselves before God who get exalted.

There are vast numbers, falling into hellfire every week, muttering to themselves.....deceived.....deceived....

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News Item6/17/15 7:10 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
MS wrote:
@Frank...que?
No habla German..señor
It said, "Thank you my dear sister in the Lord. We are in agreement".

Since you don't speak German, we can do either English or Spanish.

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News Item6/17/15 6:43 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
@Frank...que?
No habla German..señor
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News Item6/17/15 6:31 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
MS wrote:
@Frank..muy bueno
Dankeschoen, liebe Schwester in dem Herrn. Wir sind mit einander einverstanden.
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News Item6/17/15 4:58 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Ah didactic, you'll never be a teacher of the law unless you can answer the questions.

I just checked in to see what you answered, and you've gone off down a side track. Maybe you just can't answer. Well, why not say so? There's nothing wrong with not being to answer a question, no need for your pride to rear up.

But I think you ought to use a different moniker.

Phil 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you BOTH to WILL and TO DO of his good pleasure."

Your problem is that you don't seem able to will or to do anything that God tells you to do. Now why is that, then? Eh?

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News Item6/17/15 4:42 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Biblical Doctrine wrote:
Historic Christian view of defending the faith.
Westminster Confession of Faith.
14/1. The grace of faith, whereby the elect are enabled to believe to the saving of their souls,a is the work of the Spirit of Christ in their hearts,b and is ordinarily wrought by the ministry of the Word;c by which also, and by the administration of the sacraments and prayer, it is increased and strengthened.d
a. Heb 10:39. • b. Eph 1:17-19; 2:8; 2 Cor 4:13. • c. Rom 10:14, 17. • d. Luke 17:5; Acts 20:32; Rom 1:16-17; 4:11; 1 Pet 2:2.
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What sacraments?
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News Item6/17/15 4:27 PM
didactics  Find all comments by didactics
John UK wrote:
concerning the ACTS of FAITH
As I said earlier to Mike, Don't try to cut God out of the process. (And give the glory to the sinner)

Check the first part of the section #1 of the WCF at this point; - "is the work of the Spirit of Christ in their hearts"

Canons of Dordt:
"Faith is therefore to be considered as the gift of God, not on account of its being offered by God to man, to be accepted or rejected at his pleasure; but because it is in reality conferred, breathed, and infused into him; or even because God bestows the power or ability to believe, and then expects that man should by the exercise of his own free will, consent to the terms of that salvation, and actually believe in Christ; but because he who works in man both to will and to do, and indeed all things in all, produces both the will to believe, and the act of believing also." (H.3/4 art 14)

Phil 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you BOTH to WILL and TO DO of his good pleasure."

Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who WORKETH ALL THINGS after the counsel of his own will"

1Peter 1:5 Who are kept by THE POWER OF GOD through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

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News Item6/17/15 3:06 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
didactics wrote:
WCF states:
"But the principal ACTS OF SAVING FAITH are accepting, receiving, and resting upon Christ alone for justification, sanctification, and eternal life, by virtue of the covenant of grace.e"
Well, if you are into didactics (teaching), maybe you could teach everyone here just what the above MEANS, concerning the ACTS of FAITH. Not forgetting that these are the principal acts, so there are plenty more where that came from. Thank you very much.

BTW, please focus on ACTS, rather than Elect Goosebumps. Thank you.

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News Item6/17/15 2:52 PM
didactics  Find all comments by didactics
John UK wrote:
What must the sinner do?
1. Accept Christ
2. Receive Christ
3. Rest upon Christ alone
Note John's Roman Arminian change of the WCF.

WCF states:
"But the principal ACTS OF SAVING FAITH are accepting, receiving, and resting upon Christ alone for justification, sanctification, and eternal life, by virtue of the covenant of grace.e"

Roman Arminian states:
Quote:-
"What must the sinner do"

Oh John! What are we going to do with you. Are you still sitting in the same pew as John Yurich and SteveR?

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News Item6/17/15 2:45 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mr Anonymous wrote (quoted) "But the principal acts of saving faith are accepting, receiving, and resting upon Christ alone for justification, sanctification, and eternal life..."

You see, the WCF can get some things right. What must the sinner do?

1. Accept Christ
2. Receive Christ
3. Rest upon Christ alone

For what, exactly?

1. Justification
2. Sanctification
3. Eternal Life

Yep!

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News Item6/17/15 2:39 PM
Biblical Doctrine  Find all comments by Biblical Doctrine
Historic Christian view of defending the faith.

Westminster Confession of Faith.
14/1. The grace of faith, whereby the elect are enabled to believe to the saving of their souls,a is the work of the Spirit of Christ in their hearts,b and is ordinarily wrought by the ministry of the Word;c by which also, and by the administration of the sacraments and prayer, it is increased and strengthened.d

a. Heb 10:39. • b. Eph 1:17-19; 2:8; 2 Cor 4:13. • c. Rom 10:14, 17. • d. Luke 17:5; Acts 20:32; Rom 1:16-17; 4:11; 1 Pet 2:2.

2. By this faith a Christian believeth to be true whatsoever is revealed in the Word, for the authority of God himself speaking therein;a and acteth differently upon that which each particular passage thereof containeth; yielding obedience to the commands,b trembling at the threatenings,c and embracing the promises of God for this life and that which is to come.d But the principal acts of saving faith are accepting, receiving, and resting upon Christ alone for justification, sanctification, and eternal life, by virtue of the covenant of grace.e

a. John 4:42; Acts 24:14; 1 Thes 2:13; 1 John 5:10. • b. Rom 16:26. • c. Isa 66:2. • d. 1 Tim 4:8; Heb 11:13. • e. John 1:12; Acts 15:11; 16:31; Gal 2:20.

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News Item6/17/15 2:10 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
@Frank..muy bueno
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News Item6/17/15 1:52 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Asking why seems normal, bro, when unbiblical statements are put forth as Andrew did. (I haven't been much of a bobblehead since my RC days, it pains to see religionists caught in it.) If such is not questioned, "Andrew thinking" continues in error, which isn't much of a blessing upon the church.
Quite so, bro. It wasn't your question that bothers me, it is that insatiable appetite of some to get to the bottom of every little thing, to document it, and put it forth as something like the WCF or other erroneous creed like Justus Arminius.

Re-read my post to you again, and you will get the drift. Sorry about that.

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News Item6/17/15 1:32 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Brother and Saint Mike NY,
The main problem with those of a theological bent, it seems to me, is that they have to be constantly asking the question, "Why?" rather than looking at real life as it comes, the Bible as it is, and thusly rejoicing in the Lord whenever a sinner turns to God and is saved.
Of course it stems from pride, as they wish to have as great a knowledge as God himself, which reminds me of the very first sin in the Garden, precipitated by the devil, but enacted by both Adam and Eve to their own detriment.
Thusly, those who spend more time studying (I'm talking about ordinary saints here) than they do of developing a close relationship with God, coupled with doing exactly what God commands them to do, day by day, will become more like a Pharisee than a Saint..
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I hope I'm not being unfair or unkind in saying that, but then, I am a revivalist, and seek the greatest blessing possible upon the church.
Asking why seems normal, bro, when unbiblical statements are put forth as Andrew did. (I haven't been much of a bobblehead since my RC days, it pains to see religionists caught in it.) If such is not questioned, "Andrew thinking" continues in error, which isn't much of a blessing upon the church.
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News Item6/17/15 12:59 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Mike NY.
If no one knows who the elect are and scripture teaches us to present the gospel to all men, then we should simply present the gospel; that is bearing fruit. That would be obeying the revealed things from Deu 29:29. If I give the gospel to someone and they reject it, they are not rejecting me or some deficiency within me, although all of us ponder the manner in which we present the gospel, but they are rejecting the Lord and Savior. Luke 10:16, He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me. All will reject the Savior who are not part of His elect and the mystery is who are elect and who aren’t. That is the secret things noted in Deu 29:29.

I don’t believe the Lord will choose those that He has not "finally" chosen before the foundation of the world. Someone could make an argument for foreknowledge, but I believe it is purely a decision that He made then and then He “finalized” that decision and brought it about from before the foundation of the world. No man, the evangelist or the saved can take “any” credit whatsoever. Does this give us a reason not to witness; of course not; does this give us a reason to not desire to do it over and over to the same person; of course not.

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News Item6/17/15 11:41 AM
election  Find all comments by election
Mike wrote:
2) If an unbeliever never responds to the message, why is the message preached to them?
Answer
1) Election. (Don't cut God out of the process)
2) And don't forget it is God who elects.
Not the sinner - Only Arminians believe that heresy.
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