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SATURDAY, JUN 13, 2015  |  53 comments
US Catholic bishops discuss how to best follow pope's lead

The nation's Roman Catholic bishops engaged Thursday in a rare public discussion about whether their priorities properly reflect those of Pope Francis, with one church leader urging an emphasis on helping immigrants that's at least as energetic as the bishops' focus on religious freedom.

The issue arose at the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops' mid-year assembly in St. Louis, where church leaders considered their programming through the end of the decade.

In recent years, American bishops have channeled significant resources toward securing religious exemptions from laws they consider immoral such as gay marriage, seeking carve-outs for the church, its massive network of charities and individual for-profit business owners. Francis, elected in 2013, has a far different focus, dedicating his pontificate to the poor and most marginalized, from immigrants to the elderly. ...


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News Item6/18/15 6:40 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Ok, I see where you're coming from, John.
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News Item6/18/15 3:55 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Christopher000 wrote:
John Yurich Wrote:
"I was not taught from a young age to follow blindly and without question."
Thanks John, but this is my point. You're using your own self as the ine an only example to argue a case that "it's not logical to assume that all Roman Catholics subscribe to every Roman Catholic doctrine".
Take yourself out of the equation because you can't build a case using one person (yourself) as the example. Most Roman Catholics are taught from childhood to follow blindly, never question, and that disbelieving or doubting even one doctrine or dogma is a mortal sin and that, as a result, they will be damned for all eternity.
The reason why I state I don't assume all Catholics subscribe to all Catholic doctrines is I know for a fact that not all Catholics subscribe to all Catholic doctrines. Catholic Democrat politicians who support abortion, homosexuality and artificial birth control are a classic example of Catholics going against Catholic teaching and not being against abortion, homosexuality and artificial birth control. So based upon that example it is illogical for anybody to assume that all Catholics subscribe to all Catholic doctrines.
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News Item6/17/15 7:37 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
John Yurich Wrote:
"I was not taught from a young age to follow blindly and without question."

Thanks John, but this is my point. You're using your own self as the ine an only example to argue a case that "it's not logical to assume that all Roman Catholics subscribe to every Roman Catholic doctrine".
Take yourself out of the equation because you can't build a case using one person (yourself) as the example. Most Roman Catholics are taught from childhood to follow blindly, never question, and that disbelieving or doubting even one doctrine or dogma is a mortal sin and that, as a result, they will be damned for all eternity.

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News Item6/17/15 5:05 AM
Dave | oz  Find all comments by Dave
Rubbish. A little poison spoils the broth
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News Item6/16/15 3:48 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Christopher000 wrote:
Thanks John, but you seem to be looking at it from a wrong direction. Actually, it's perfectly logical for anyone to assume that because among other reasons, the church itself orders and ananthematizes any member (and all non-members) for not believing, or even questioning any and all who would dare to disbelieve any dogma or etched in stone, non-recindable council approved doctrines, etc, etc. From a young age, all Roman Catholics are taught to follow blindly and without question.
I don't assume that all Catholics subscribe to all Catholic doctrines. I was not taught from a young age to follow blindly and without question.
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News Item6/15/15 4:26 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks John, but you seem to be looking at it from a wrong direction. Actually, it's perfectly logical for anyone to assume that because among other reasons, the church itself orders and ananthematizes any member (and all non-members) for not believing, or even questioning any and all who would dare to disbelieve any dogma or etched in stone, non-recindable council approved doctrines, etc, etc. From a young age, all Roman Catholics are taught to follow blindly and without question.
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News Item6/15/15 2:41 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John Y., you definitely appear to be too up tight about religion! Maybe you need an organization I think you said some of your relatives have joined?
[URL=http://www.npr.org/2011/10/19/141275979/u-s-hispanics-choose-churches-outside-catholicism]]]http://www.npr.org/2011/10/19/141275979/u-s-hispanics-choose-churches-outside-catholicism[/URL] Unfortunately, this conatains both good and bad information for Christians, as I pointed out not only the people who have become Christian are leaving all around you, John, but perhaps importing more migrants are going to help the boaster the American Romish Bishops either as the above article points out. So, it looks like the Romish church will continue to shrink for a variety of reasons, [URL=http://www.pewforum.org/2009/04/27/faith-in-flux3/]]]Pew Research -- Leaving Catholicism[/URL] all which is good but the bad is that many become unaffiliated with Christianity either by going atheist or joining such false groups as the Assemblies of God. See the article and the links within it, [URL=http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/char/more/brown.htm]]]Brownsville Revival -- A River Runs Through It[/URL], also [URL=http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/char/more/hist.htm]]]The History of the Charismatic Movement[/URL].
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News Item6/15/15 1:24 PM
GSTexas  Find all comments by GSTexas
It's not logical for one to attend a church that they don't even agree with in regards to doctrine.
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News Item6/15/15 12:12 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Christopher000 wrote:
John, I've never really thought to ask: Do you at least understand and consider the points I make, or do you totally disagree?
Yes I understand consider the points that you made. But it is illogical for anybody to assume all Catholics subscribe to all Catholic doctrines. I don't assume all Catholics subscribe to all Catholic doctrines. Take a look at the Catholic Democrat politicians who go against Catholic doctrines and support abortion, homosexuality and artificial birth control.
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News Item6/15/15 7:06 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I know this is off topic, but it seems people are pretty much done commenting anyway.

John, I've never really thought to ask: Do you at least understand and consider the points I make, or do you totally disagree?

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News Item6/15/15 6:43 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Ok, thanks John.
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News Item6/15/15 4:32 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Christopher, I don't assume that all Catholics subscribe to all Catholic doctrines. It is illogical for anybody to assume that all Catholics subscribe to all Catholic doctrines. If I were to be asked what religion I align myself with I would state that I am Catholic but I don't align myself with the Catholic Church as I don't subscribe to all Catholic doctrines. I don't communicate with anybody verbally what my beliefs are, I do it via written communication on discussion forums. When I receive the bread and the cup of wine I don't state "Amen" as that would be acknowledging the Catholic doctrine of Holy Communion. When I receive the bread and the cup of wine I believe the way the Lutherans believe that Jesus is present in, with and under the bread and wine. I don't genuflect before entering the pew either because I have arthritis in my knees. I just bow toward the front of the church. I don't kneel either. I just lean forward in the pew and rest on the pew in front during the times of the Mass when kneeling is done.

sc, There is no mass murder that takes place during the Mass.

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News Item6/14/15 2:36 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I stopped going years ago, SC, but used to m go once a year with my wife's family to spare myself an argument. Anyway, I used to get some pretty serious looks from people when I would just walk into a pew without doing that. I would also get stares, and even faces from people while I remained in my seat as everyone else filed out and waited for communion. The one time I ever went up for communion, many years ago, which was a mistake, of course, the priest said his spiel and I responded, "yes". He pulled it back with a surprized look, but then hesitantly gave it to me, I guess because of the enormous line behind me. Anyway, I found out later that the proper, and only response should have been "amen". He probably knew I was an imposter...ha-ha.
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News Item6/14/15 2:25 PM
s c | Oh  Find all comments by s c
"follow" his lead- genuflect genuflect genuflect genuflect
Someone could create an exercise program for the RC church by just going through the same motions as the "priests" do when they "go through the motions" during their mass murder.
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News Item6/14/15 8:22 AM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
I put it down to the incapacity of fallen man to "see" even the simple things of doctrine.
This last week I spent a couple of hours witnessing to a man who had spent his whole life attending a church where the gospel was preached (over 60 years). I took him through John 3:16 and when we got to "gave his only begotten Son" I asked him who that referred to. He thought for a while, and then said, "I'm not sure ......... Joshua?"
Fallen man is in a terrible condition.
Indeed, the condition of the fallen is a terrible one

Strong's Concordance

Iésous: Jesus or Joshua, the name of the Messiah, also three other Isr.
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Iésous
Phonetic Spelling: (ee-ay-sooce')

[URL=http://biblehub.com/greek/2424.htm]]]2424. Iésous [/URL]

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News Item6/14/15 8:17 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
I should add that I believe that the majority of Roman Catholics are not aware of many of the church's false doctrines, dogmas, and rituals that are contrary to God's Word, but know enough to know that things are amiss if with even a basic understanding of the bible. Regardless of whether they are aware of this or that though, it is our responsibility to know God's Word and to discern, research, etc, accordingly. How is it that any man or woman would place their complete trust and eternal fate into the hands of mere error prone, sinful man without ever searching whether or not what they have been taught and are being told be so?
I put it down to the incapacity of fallen man to "see" even the simple things of doctrine.

This last week I spent a couple of hours witnessing to a man who had spent his whole life attending a church where the gospel was preached (over 60 years). I took him through John 3:16 and when we got to "gave his only begotten Son" I asked him who that referred to. He thought for a while, and then said, "I'm not sure ......... Joshua?"

Fallen man is in a terrible condition.

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News Item6/14/15 8:11 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I should add that I believe that the majority of Roman Catholics are not aware of many of the church's false doctrines, dogmas, and rituals that are contrary to God's Word, but know enough to know that things are amiss if with even a basic understanding of the bible. Regardless of whether they are aware of this or that though, it is our responsibility to know God's Word and to discern, research, etc, accordingly. How is it that any man or woman would place their complete trust and eternal fate into the hands of mere error prone, sinful man without ever searching whether or not what they have been taught and are being told be so?
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News Item6/14/15 7:28 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Because, John...if anyone were to stop you on the street and ask you what church you attend or asked what religion you align yourself with, your response would be: Roman Catholic. You see, no matter what you may believe internally, and no matter what you pretend isn't happening, being said, or what parts you may skip saying at mass, the moment you blurt out that you are Roman Catholic, anyone on the face of this planet will assume that you concur with and condone all of the associated false doctrines, dogmas, and rituals that are contrary to God's Word...no matter what you may be thinking internally, nobody but you is aware of the secret distinctions you make us aware of. Do you see? If I were to say, oh, that I was a chef when asked what I do for a living, everyone would automatically believe that , well, that I'm a chef, along with all that goes with becoming and being one. Now, what if I also told them that I don't cook but it's nobody's business but mine, including the restaurants that I apply to. Should I really be telling people that I'm a chef and misleading them? Knowing what you know, it's wrong and it's misleading to call yourself Roman Catholic when you are a born again Christian. According to God, it's everyone's business and your business to tell them straight
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News Item6/14/15 5:29 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
NB wrote:
If you are participating in the mass, then you are praying to Mary, the saints, and taking part in the idolatry of the Eucharist. For example: ....and I ask blessed Mary ever virgin, all the angels and saints, and you my brothers and sisters to pray for me to the lord our god... That is part of the liturgy that is said in unison every mass. The RC does worship "a jesus" as a god.... But he does not have the same attributes as THE Jesus of the Bible. So the RC Jesus and the RC God are not the one true triune God despite what they claim. You seem to have made an idol out of the RC.... Regardless of having full knowledge of its false teachings. Being a born again ex-catholic, I am nauseated when I have to attend a mass that happens to be a part of a funeral, wedding, or graduation. The false doctrine is so blatantly obvious. It pains me to see plain scriptural doctrines twisted and my Lord degraded.
Why did you assume I state "and I ask blessed Mary ever virgin, all the angels and saints"? I refrain from stating that. By the way I do state "and I ask you my brothers and sisters to pray for me to the Lord Our God" And when I receive the bread and the cup I don't believe the way the RCC believes I believe the way the Lutherans believe.
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News Item6/13/15 6:47 PM
Dave | oz  Find all comments by Dave
How to hide pedophile priests,
Ask Rcc's cardinal Pell, after being exposed his buddies still disgustingly and publicly support him. WHAT A GODLY ORGANIZATION.
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