Robert Schuller, Crystal Cathedral megachurch founder, dies
ARTESIA, Calif. (AP) â€” The Rev. Robert H. Schuller, the Southern California televangelist and author who beamed his upbeat messages on faith and redemption to millions from his landmark Crystal Cathedral only to see his empire crumble in his waning years, has died. He was 88.
Schuller died early Thursday at a care facility in Artesia, daughter Carol Schuller Milner said. He was diagnosed with terminal esophageal cancer in 2013.
Once a well-known televangelist, Schuller faded from view in recent years after watching his church collapse amid a disastrous leadership transition and sharp declines in viewership and donations that ultimately forced the ministry to file for bankruptcy....
Bill, now we all know that John Y. should know by now what it takes to be a Christian. He has been on this forum for I believe 10 years. I know that he's impervious to the truth, but who knows? Perhaps some day he will see the truth?
However you can never tell who might be wandering around on the Internet some Catholic may stumble across this forum and solely be good that he would have, URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=527131722591]]]Witnessing to Muslims, Catholics, and False Converts[/URL] and [URL=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VClgYQnT7Z8]]]Catholicism Crisis of Faith (54 Minute YouTube video)[/URL]. So, answering John Y. sharpens my skills somewhat and it has been great to see brilliant answers to him, such as those from Unprofitable Servant.
Jim, We can't get anyone to repent. Only the Holy Spirit can lead someone to repentance and faith. That's why I think this constant harangue with John Yurich over the RCC is counterproductive. What fruit has been borne over these past years of arguments with John Y? From what I see, he is more entrenched than ever. I believe we need to spend more time praying to God for John and limit our discussions with John to the Scriptures. "Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God." By the way, that video Catholicism: Crisis Of Faith is excellent and very compelling as it is the testimonies of priests and nuns. I hope and pray John will watch it one day. As for Schuller, his message of possibility thinking was NOT the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ!
Matthew 7 15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 "Even so, every good tree bears good fruit; but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 "So then, you will know them by their fruits. 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]
John of UK, you gave an excellent response to John Y., Now, if we could get John Y., to take it to heart and repent.
John Yurich USA wrote: Just who do you think you are anyway...
What I want to know is, just who do you think YOU are, to remain in an organisation proven to have killed countless of my brothers and sisters in times past, and continues to mislead countless deluded souls to hell by preaching a false gospel, and which blasphemes the lovely name of my Saviour by holding wretched masses every day, and which worships and reveres bits of bones to gain more tourists, and a thousand and one other nonsensical things. Yes, who do you think YOU are. Certainly not one who loves the Lord Jesus Christ and his people. No way. So cease coming out with all your tripe, and get down to the business of REALLY seeking God, that he might have mercy on you, while there is yet time.
John UK wrote: John Yurich, your Catholic use of Protestant terms such as "justification by faith alone in Christ alone" fools no-one. You haven't got any clue as to what that term actually means in regard to a genuine conversion experience. You do not know what repentance means and you do not know what faith in Christ means. Now study the following text and get it into your head that both repentance and faith are preached to sinners, that they might be saved. Your "easy-believism" never did save anyone.
Just who do you think you are anyway to state that I don't know what Justification By Faith means? It means to trust in Jesus alone for salvation. And that is exactly what I do. I trust in Jesus alone for salvation. I sure don't trust in my Baptism as an infant or the sacraments or the Catholic Church for salvation. My Baptist friend was saved during an Altar Call at his Independent Baptist Church when he was 12 years old when he embraced Jesus as his Personal Savior and started to trust in Jesus alone for salvation. I know what repentance means. I repented of course when I started to trust in Jesus alone for salvation because I no longer believe the unscriptural Catholic doctrines and I no longer participate in the unscriptural parts of Mass.
John Yurich USA wrote: The Bible gives only one requirement for salvation and that is to trust in Jesus alone for salvation.
John Yurich, your Catholic use of Protestant terms such as "justification by faith alone in Christ alone" fools no-one. You haven't got any clue as to what that term actually means in regard to a genuine conversion experience. You do not know what repentance means and you do not know what faith in Christ means. Now study the following text and get it into your head that both repentance and faith are preached to sinners, that they might be saved.
Acts 20:20-21 KJV (20) And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house, (21) Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Nobody cares what you have to state about anything as your way of thinking is warped. Official Catholic teaching states that abortion is murder, homosexuality is an abomination and artificial birth control is against the Bible. According to Baptist teaching and the Biblical doctrine of salvation I am saved and a Christian as I trust in Jesus alone for salvation and I embraced Jesus as my Personal Savior. The Bible gives only one requirement for salvation and that is to trust in Jesus alone for salvation. But you believe that church attendance in an Evangelical Church is also required for salvation, which is warped and against the Bible. A Catholic Christian is not an oxymoron if a Catholic trusts in Jesus alone for salvation.
How care's what they preach, John Y.? "Actions speak louder than word!" It is a case of "Do as we [the magisterium] say and not do as we [the magisterium] do." So, what they teach is nothing but a pack of lies to them. Remember, [URL=http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2010/09/a_call_for_earthly_justice.html]]]A Call for Earthly Justice--Holding the Catholic Church accountable for its crimes.[/URL] You know that is not going to happen. Pope B16 is holed up in the Vatican so he can be extradited. You belong to a criminal organization, and you won't escape hell, because you know better! So, if you're a Christian, you'll [URL=http://www.reachingcatholics.org/comeout.html]]]Come out of the Catholic Church[/URL] and leave tracts about [URL=https://www.jashow.org/wiki/index.php?title=Is_A_Catholic_Christian_An_Oxymoron%3F]]]Is A Catholic Christian An Oxymoron?[/URL] on the pews as your parting gift.
If you don't live by what Christ says in [URL=http://https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7%3A15-23&version=NASB]]]Matthew 7:15-23[/URL]. You are not a Christian. I have already given you, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=71312121537]]] The Biblical Relationship of Faith & Works[/URL] in an earlier message.
Jim L., I don't support a moral cesspool because the RCC teaches that abortion is murder, homosexuality is an abomination and artificial birth control is against the Bible. If there are scriptural parts to the Mass then logically the entire Mass is not entirely unscriptural. The Bible states that salvation and being a Christian is only dependent upon one trusting in Jesus alone for salvation. Nowhere in the Bible is church attendance in any church mentioned as being required for salvation and entering Heaven. I am accepted as a Christian by my Baptist friend because I trust in Jesus alone for salvation and I embraced Jesus as my Personal Savior during an Altar Call in the same way that my Baptist friend became saved. Your way of thinking about salvation is totally against the Bible if you believe that one has to attend an Evangelical Church in order to be saved.
John Y., to put it a rather mild way, you support a moral cesspool. For example, [URL=http://www.ketv.com/news/online-petition-seeks-to-keep-skutt-catholic-speech-coach/32237826]]]http://www.ketv.com/news/online-petition-seeks-to-keep-skutt-catholic-speech-coach/32237826 (Online petition drive seeks to keep Skutt Catholic [queer] speech coach)[/URL]. Many students thinks he's a great example! Oh, this will give you a video besides text.
No, John Y., you are most assuredly not a Christian. If you mix evil with good, you only have evil in that mass you attend. You would not attend or give money to that Romist Church, if you were a Christian. You should attend one last time and leave copies of [URL=http://jashow.org/wiki/index.php?title=Is_A_Catholic_Christian_An_Oxymoron%3f]]]http://jashow.org/wiki/index.php?title=Is_A_Catholic_Christian_An_Oxymoron%3f (Is A Catholic Christian An Oxymoron?)[/URL] on the pews. You can print them up yourself. Have you been leaving the URL for [URL=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VClgYQnT7Z8]]]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VClgYQnT7Z8 )Catholicism Crisis of Faith (54 Minute YouTube video))[/URL] done by James McCarthy on the Catholic forums you check into.
Anyway, don't worry no one is going to mistake you for a Christian, for now.
s c wrote: John Y says "...The Bible is plain that the only requirement for salvation and entering Heaven is to trust in Jesus alone for salvation." And,if you know this to be true,why would you be disingenuous by attending a church that states otherwise? If you love Christ,you will love your fellow man,including those around you who are lost,and share the truth with them.
I may attend the RCC but I worship Jesus in my own way by only participating in the scriptural parts to the Mass. And thus I am not an ordinary Catholic. And I do inform other Catholics on discussion forums that salvation comes only through trusting in Jesus alone for salvation. I don't do it verbally as I am not comfortable engaging in verbal communication often. Who states that informing individuals that salvation comes only through trusting in Jesus alone for salvation must be done verbally only? The church that one attends is totally superfluous to salvation and entering Heaven as nowhere in the Bible is it mentioned about church attendance in any church being required for salvation and entering Heaven.
Jim L., A Catholic Christian is not an oxymoron if a Catholic trusts in Jesus alone for salvation.
Matthew 7:15Â â€œBeware of false prophets, who come to you in sheepâ€™s clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves. 16Â By their fruits you will know them. Do you gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles? 17Â Even so, every good tree produces good fruit; but the corrupt tree produces evil fruit. 18Â A good tree canâ€™t produce evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree produce good fruit. 19Â Every tree that doesnâ€™t grow good fruit is cut down, and thrown into the fire. 20Â Therefore by their fruits you will know them. 21Â Not everyone who says to me, â€˜Lord, Lord,â€™ will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Â Many will tell me in that day, â€˜Lord, Lord, didnâ€™t we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?â€™ 23Â Then I will tell them, â€˜I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.â€™
[URL= http://jashow.org/wiki/index.php?title=Is_A_Catholic_Christian_An_Oxymoron%3f ]]]Is A Catholic Christian An Oxymoron?[/URL] ---Yes!
Thanks for the correction US, I didn't mean 3 1/2 that I confused with the 3 1/2 days in Revelation 11 I was having a senior moment maybe? Anyway I meant to say 3 days and 3 nights so thanks for pointing that out. I thought about it going about my routine and said did I write 3 1/2? James 5:17 also speaks of a 3 and a half years.(not days)
It was written in error thanks for correcting me, neither did what I was referring to, think in terms of 3 1/2 days but three days and three nights
Acts 20 7 And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]
JFB Commentary wrote: Acts 20:7:
Â Â Â 7. upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came togetherâ€”This, compared with 1Co 16:2, and other similar allusions, plainly indicates that the Christian observance of the day afterwards distinctly called "the Lord's Day," was already a fixed practice of the churches.
Besides the early church made up entirely of Jews would go to synagogue on the shabbat. [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?currSection=sermonssource&sermonID=92402115618]]]Legalism is Shadow, Christ is Substance[/URL].
s c wrote: pennnned,the Bible states that we should not forsake the assembling of one another and we should encourage one another.I'm all for corporate worship when it's done properly and the truth is rightly divided and the object of worship is Christ.
huh?? that's what I was doing yesterday!? So you are not against the Lord's Day as a weekly time of corporate rest to gather for worship?
Michael I have put up a highly unofficial summary for the sermon, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=713121215374]]]http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=713121215374 (The Biblical Relationship of Faith & Works[/URL]. Dr. Rugh not only used James, but Scripture by his half-brother Jesus, Paul, and John to make the point, if a person is saved he's going to prove it by his works.
Penny, that summary of mine only covers a little over Â½ of the sermon. It was pointed out that baptism or church attendance doesn't save a person at all, and a person may be unsaved even when he attends a Bible-believing Church. Now, if a person stubbornly clings to to an anti-Christian organization such as the Romish Church, one can be highly certain that person isn't saved.
Again, Michael, Dr. Rugh points out the problems with the rejection of "Lordship" salvation. Now, he's certainly not a two-step salvation man. He would expect a sinner to quit immediately his murdering, stealing, adultery, etc., when he became a Christian (and no doubt remove themselves from any cults such as the Romish Church), but by definition how much a person is a "new man?" But then when a person is Christian all his sinning is voluntary & avoidable the sermon points out.
John Y says "...The Bible is plain that the only requirement for salvation and entering Heaven is to trust in Jesus alone for salvation." And,if you know this to be true,why would you be disingenuous by attending a church that states otherwise? If you love Christ,you will love your fellow man,including those around you who are lost,and share the truth with them. pennnned,the Bible states that we should not forsake the assembling of one another and we should encourage one another.I'm all for corporate worship when it's done properly and the truth is rightly divided and the object of worship is Christ. More recently, with the onslaught of "relevant" churches,I find that Christian fellowship and worship is not limited to the walls of a church building.
Mourner wrote: Self correction: Matthew 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. 6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. 7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you. It was wrong to say past the angel said he had risen He said He is risen present tense. I realized my error as soon as I shut the laptop. Sorry. I don't think the various places recording an empty tomb addresses when it was left behind, but when it was discovered. The bible study notes from the Companion Bible that I know little about its authors dealt with the Jewish calendar and Gentile reckoning what I found the most interesting was it side by side description of those days from both reckonings so as to address the 3 1/2 days. While I was cleaning in the kitchen I was listening to a sermon that I found helpful. There was little I disagreed with accept for some application. It did stress why self denial was an important part of the life of a Christian and that was encouraging to me