Florist Fined $1,001, Ordered to Work Gay Weddings but Refuses
A Christian florist and grandmother who declined to provide flowers for a same-sex wedding because of her Christian belief in traditional marriage has been fined $1,001 by a Washington court and will be held liable to pay the legal fees incurred by the gay couple, which could "devastate" her financially.
As previously reported by The Christian Post, 70-year-old Barronelle Stutzman, the owner of Arlene's Flowers in Richland, Washington, was found guilty of violating the state's non-discrimination law in February, after referring Rob Ingersoll and Curt Feed to another florist when they asked her to provide the floral arrangements for their wedding.
Although Stutzman sold flowers to Ingersoll for nearly a decade and maintained a positive relationship with him, when he asked her to provide flowers for his same-sex wedding, she felt she could not act against her Christian conviction to serve her...
Frank, I think you're accusing the tail waging the dog, on both counts, because no matter who I vote for, for President in my Red (Neck) state is of absolutely no importance. Now, Nebraska is one of two states that can split its electoral votes along Congressional districts, but I don't live in Omaha, so my vote ha absolutely no effect on who became President. I didn't confirm the two cultists that were running on the Republican ticket last time, so even my [URL=http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/amr/cact2.htm]]]"Christian" Activism?[/URL] had no effect, I believe the cultists q.v., [URL=https://www.jashow.org/wiki/index.php/Roman_Catholics,_Mormons_and_Jehovah%E2%80%99s_Witnesses]]]Roman Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses[/URL], got the entire electoral vote of this state last time, They represented things just as evil as queerness, and being who they were, they probably weren't that much against that anyway.
So, even though still recognizing [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=118121637304]]]The Inadequacy of Moralism[/URL] and [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1112121626190]]]God's Sovereignty Over Rulers & Nations[/URL]. But from a family that was GOP since the Civil War, I have the voting habit.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Ah, you mean, Frank, [URL=http://www.biblebb.com/files/CAESAR.HTM]]]Rendering To Caesar---A Biblical Perspective On Government[/URL] [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=118121630330]]]God's View of Homosexuality[/URL] is certainly not that of secular society, and these queers which make up less than 2% are making a lot more noise than their numbers deserve, too many "normal" people supporting them.
Yes Jim, I agree that the 2 percent probably can't effect anything of importance. But, over 50 million people voted for Obama and Obama is the most pro-homosexual politician of all time. Now carefully note that I didn't say conservative politicians haven't played a part in this rapidly evolving change in our culture, but Obama and his left-wing cohorts have certainly been the worst offenders.
Jim, if you helped elect Obama, which you admit you did, then of all people who post here, you have no right to criticize the rapid expanse of the homosexual movement.
Ah, you mean, Frank, [URL=http://www.biblebb.com/files/CAESAR.HTM]]]Rendering To Caesar---A Biblical Perspective On Government[/URL] [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=118121630330]]]God's View of Homosexuality[/URL] is certainly not that of secular society, and these queers which make up less than 2% are making a lot more noise than their numbers deserve, too many "normal" people supporting them.
Cody wrote: What about the gay couple that refused to do a straight marriage are they gonna fine them no I guess its just liberal logic
Well my guess is we will never see homosexual movements say that a God honored marriage shouldn't occur. They only want their abomination to be "accepted" by everyone; not just tolerated and be on equal footing. I tolerate homosexual conduct but would never accept it or condone or promote it in any way. By toleration, I simply mean that I will not use illegal means to stop it unless those illegal means are mandated by scripture. So, I will allow my conscience to be my guide and where scripture tells me to fight, I will fight against this abomination.
I agree fully with what this lady has done and the below comments are great and were a blessing to me. Well I ignore anything that John Y says, so I am not considering his.
I also think that this type of thing will result in the return of our Lord and His judgments will be exacted. There is no greater abomination that society can do or condone then this one; well maybe abortion? Come quickly Lord Jesus, come quickly.
Like it or not, America has become a nation of reprobates. God said he would turn people over to do abominable things when they reject his word. Just pray and fast that God would allow are next president to turn back to the Word. Even so, remember, this world is not our home, we're just passing through.
Romans 1:24-27 KJV " Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:  Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.  For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:  And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."
they want groveling slaves who abhor these perversions to be forced to partake in a piece of their abomination with them? they want the photographer, the pastor, the cake maker, the florist all standing at their reception with horror and disgust?
and what healthy Christian family would force sodomites into their wedding ceremony?
only reflects that this is from the pits. I'm sure there are people out there mixed into this lifestyle who are not cruel like this, I can only hope that this movement wakes them up to what evil is and that they turn to Christ as their Lord and Savior, who forgives His people and gives them a new nature. Glory to God to be saved from the pits! Scripture says there are no shadows with God Almighty.
For thousands of years homosexuality was treated as an abominable crime and abnormal. Today politicians, judges and bureaucrats running the society and our communities now criminalise history and the normal mind set of millions of people who lived in previous centuries.
It seems incredulous that something so obviously abnormal and wrong should be sanitized by government and judiciary and the original meaning of it changed to force the people to change moral standards and accept it.
Can this happen in society with paedophilia? Probably.
It can only be Satan's evil influence over man which brings society to this sorry pass. But what that demonstrates is Satan's active and regular input into mankind. Even though those poor fools cannot believe he exists.
2Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Our nation is basking in the intolerance of Christianity. From the whitehouse to the state house, the "mchomofacism and "mcatheism" is a brand name for all citizens to rejoice in the new found freedom backed by a government that breaks and destroys things they no longer care to use. However, God is in control. Believe it or not, he's not afraid of this smoking amber called America, anymore than he's afraid of Herod, Pilate or the devil himself. God will prevail and we need only to cling to him in a nation whose judgement has come.
First of all we need to all get it straight in our heads that we are not buying into the labels the homosexuals have adopted -- such as the rainbow -- just another of their distortions. -- The rainbow is God's reminder to all mankind that He would not flood the world again. And their label "gay" is just another distortion -- we need to just call them homosexuals because that's what they are and believe me they have made the life choice to live that way --- they are well aware of their situation... And marriage between homosexuals is big-time wrong!!!
No one is telling them they can't live that way (except God) -- and they shouldn't expect everyone to accept the bill of goods they're pushing -- especially God-fearing Christians!!! --- It is just nonsensical to even entertain the thought that these people would actually want to force someone to do something that goes completely against everything they believe ...
Are these people really so catty that they just want to cram their lifestyle down everybody's throat ...
JUST GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND BUY YOUR FLOWERS there is no malice intended -- no harm no foul -- and by no means is this anywhere remotely akin to discrimination -- but it has everything to do with Religious Freedom
Freedoms of enterprise, conscience, and speech are violated if choice is treated as an offence.
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