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FRONT PAGE  |  7/31/2021
WEDNESDAY, DEC 10, 2014  |  444 comments
Billy Graham, Louis Zamperini and the two nights in 1949 that changed their lives

“What Graham did was normalize the idea that you can cooperate with others,” Wacker said, “He wanted to retain a core of belief without breaking fellowship with everyone else” who believed in God and Christ, moral values and patriotism. He represented the possibility of a consensus, of a bridge.”

He shifted from firing “turn-or-burn” thunderbolts to a mesmerizing, almost crooning, invitation to people to step toward the pulpit and change their lives by seeing them differently, through the prism of a new relationship with God.

“Words. That’s all he’s got,” said Harding, describing the power that Graham mastered so early on.

“No ritual. No liturgy. No paperwork. Graham speaks the gospel, and invades the listeners’ minds to strip away their old ways of understanding and experience. He adds their life up anew and asks them to tell their life stories from now on in gospel terms.” ...


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News Item12/24/14 4:57 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
ladybug wrote:
Homosexuality is a sin, and it's a choice. That's proven in Romans 1:27, "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman"... notice 'leaving the natural use', meaning they choose to leave what's instilled at birth - the natural way
I agree with the above ladybug. There are sins of ignorance, but homosexuality is not one of them. Thanks for bringing that to our remembrance.
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News Item12/24/14 10:16 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Michael Hranek wrote:
Brother John
I have been encouraged in my reading to
1. Take the immediate passage in whatever book it is in the flow of context of that book
2. And then as you are about to do find other passages that likewise relate
I guess I am just a simple minded Baptist-type believers who trusts
2 Tim 3:16,17
Editting:
Certain "scholars" have demonstrated to us if you abuse a passage enough especially with allegorical interpretion of other passages, even out of contest (that may or may not relate), you can pretty much choke the life and meaning out of any passage even John 3:16
btw a perhaps useful comment was made
Mark Twain a man famous for his hostility towards the God of the Bible. He is reported to have said something like this, 'It is not the things of the Bible that I do not understand that bother me, it is the things of the Bible I do understand that really trouble me.'
I like "simple-minded", St Michael, this is the inheritance of independent nonconformity.

I am going to begin by re-reading Romans, particularly with regard to the restoration after the fullness of the Gentiles come in. Maybe I will see new things never noticed before.

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News Item12/24/14 9:10 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
John UK wrote:
Saint Michael,
I can see I will have to gather all the scriptures relating to this subject and make comparison. I don't like to make a belief from one passage only, but it seems to me that this may explain a lot of what I have grappled with over the years. I will just have to get down to it.
Any more help will be greatly appreciated.
Brother John
I have been encouraged in my reading to
1. Take the immediate passage in whatever book it is in the flow of context of that book
2. And then as you are about to do find other passages that likewise relate

I guess I am just a simple minded Baptist-type believers who trusts
2 Tim 3:16,17

Editting:
Certain "scholars" have demonstrated to us if you abuse a passage enough especially with allegorical interpretion of other passages, even out of contest (that may or may not relate), you can pretty much choke the life and meaning out of any passage even John 3:16

btw a perhaps useful comment was made

Mark Twain a man famous for his hostility towards the God of the Bible. He is reported to have said something like this, 'It is not the things of the Bible that I do not understand that bother me, it is the things of the Bible I do understand that really trouble me.'

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News Item12/24/14 7:30 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Michael Hranek wrote:
Brother Saint John UK Wales
In a straight forward literal reading (literal where literal, figurative where figurative) a millenial reign of Christ in Jerusalem does indeed imho fit better, much better.
Here is something concerning Bible interpretation that might give us a uncommon common sense to our Bible reading
In the context of a passage
1. What do the words say
2. What do the words NOT say
3. What would the passage, the words, the context have meant to the people who heard it first
4. What is God saying to us today in this passage, in the words He chose, in the context He was speaking then and where we are now
Saint Michael,

I can see I will have to gather all the scriptures relating to this subject and make comparison. I don't like to make a belief from one passage only, but it seems to me that this may explain a lot of what I have grappled with over the years. I will just have to get down to it.

Any more help will be greatly appreciated.

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News Item12/24/14 6:29 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
John UK wrote:
as I was typing it out and studying the verses carefully, it did occur to me that it was possible, and would fit better, if this was referring to a time when God's judgment upon Israel ceased, the times of the Gentiles having been fulfilled, the Jews returning to their homeland, conversions en masse, and a time of peace and security for them, even possibly our Lord Jesus Christ reigning in Jerusalem, maybe even, I'm finding it hard to say this for a period of one thousand years. There, it goes against the grain, but I finally got it out.
But I only said maybe, possibly, and "it fits better".
Brother Saint John UK Wales
In a straight forward literal reading (literal where literal, figurative where figurative) a millenial reign of Christ in Jerusalem does indeed imho fit better, much better.

Here is something concerning Bible interpretation that might give us a uncommon common sense to our Bible reading

In the context of a passage
1. What do the words say
2. What do the words NOT say
3. What would the passage, the words, the context have meant to the people who heard it first
4. What is God saying to us today in this passage, in the words He chose, in the context He was speaking then and where we are now

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News Item12/24/14 5:51 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
What does the new heaven and new earth speak of? If it is not the eternal state then what is it? When does it take place? How should it be interpreted? The happenings in Isaiah 65 do fit a millennial reign of Christ, which I don't think you would believe in.
Saint US,

If I might butt in your query to Saint James, the summation I made recently concerning the Isaiah 65 complete chapter, although I was looking at it speculatively, as though the "new heavens and new earth" were not the eternal state, nonetheless, as I was typing it out and studying the verses carefully, it did occur to me that it was possible, and would fit better, if this was referring to a time when God's judgment upon Israel ceased, the times of the Gentiles having been fulfilled, the Jews returning to their homeland, conversions en masse, and a time of peace and security for them, even possibly our Lord Jesus Christ reigning in Jerusalem, maybe even, I'm finding it hard to say this for a period of one thousand years. There, it goes against the grain, but I finally got it out.

But I only said maybe, possibly, and "it fits better".

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News Item12/24/14 12:09 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
you still have me confused at what you were trying to say (see 12/23/14 7:03 PM 1st paragraph) but will honor your wishes, if you want to email the answers that would be great.
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News Item12/23/14 11:57 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
Mike NY states,
" I guess the point was that the looking for help in understanding one's issues isn't necessarily an un-Christian thing to do, implied by ladybug in her comment on BG's suggestion to get help from others. Who knows what steps the Holy Spirit might use in bringing a person to Truth?" Actually, the Holy Spirit uses God's truth, not worldly psychology or anything else worldly. Here's the point, Christ states He sets His people free. The power of the bondage of sin was broken at the cross; when God regenerates, the sinner flees sin and cleaves to Christ. Graham claims to be a preacher and he doesn't know this? Counseling will not help one be freed from sin, only the power of the Holy Spirit working in the heart, along with God's word can do so.
I find it mind boggling that some here think God will go outside His word and His Spirit to bring sinners to Christ and free them from sins bondage.
That was the gist of Graham's comments, he's suggesting sinners go outside God's truth to worldly sources to seek help.

Homosexuality is a sin, and it's a choice. That's proven in Romans 1:27, "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman"... notice 'leaving the natural use', meaning they choose to leave what's instilled at birth - the natural way

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News Item12/23/14 10:15 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Brother Lurker, here is a link that has multiple commentaries on all the verses in the passage (if you use the arrow keys at the top)
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/isaiah/65-20.htm
Thanks. I'll have a look as time permits.

Considering our past brief discussions it is clear we are at polar opposites regarding biblical interpretation, and apparently settled, so I don't see any profit for either of us to continue any further.

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News Item12/23/14 8:53 PM
penny  Find all comments by penny
Then I Saw a New Heaven and Earth
Sermons on the Book of Revelation # 30

Texts: Revelation 21:1-22:5; Isaiah 65:17-25

Kim Riddlebarger

http://reformedperspectives.org/newfiles/kim_riddlebarger/kim_riddlebarger.Rev.30.pdf

"For the Lord Almighty and the Lamb are
our God and we are his people. And this is our glorious inheritance which God has
promised to all those in Jesus Christ. With this scene before our eyes, let us not become
weary of believing what is true, and doing what is right. For a new heaven and a new earth
await us where we will dwell in blessed peace and safety in the presence of God, forever,
and ever and ever and ever . . . Amen!"

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News Item12/23/14 7:03 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
James Thomas wrote:
Brother US,.
If Isaiah 65:17-25 is speaking of the eternal state....why in verse 20 does the young man die? A sinner in the eternal state?
...
So, what brother is your point? What does the new heaven and new earth speak of? If it is not the eternal state then what is it? When does it take place? How should it be interpreted? The happenings in Isaiah 65 do fit a millennial reign of Christ, which I don't think you would believe in.

I still don't see the connection in Romans 10. According my research he quotes for Leviticus 18:5, Deut. 30-12-14, 32:21; Isaiah 28:16, 52:7, 53:1, 65:1&2; Joel 2:32; Psalm 19:4, ahd Nahum 1:15. (alas that beats some preachers use of Scripture in their messages) He is making a point about Israel and their lack of obedience to the gospel and how they try to obtain righteousness through the law. Maybe I am a tad dense, but I don't see the connection between that and a new heaven and a new earth.

I am not trying to be confrontational or sarcastic, I am trying to learn. You and brother Lurker more than likely had an in depth discussion of this that would not fit into the character restraints of this site. Please be so kind as to enlighten us. Thanks.

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News Item12/23/14 6:25 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Dorcas wrote:
This love and defense of a false ecumenical teacher has been quite an eye opener, eh Frank?
Grateful that there are a few who have not turned a blind eye to BG and have obeyed the Bible to mark and avoid (romans16:17) such.
And expose his errors publicly to protect those who might be led astray.
Yes sister, I will admit that this division developing actually fooled me and that is hard to do. When it first started I remember actually rebuking someone because they said something very unkind about JohnUK and I thought they went too far.

I have prayed throughout the day that I would not take the argument in a personal way; confronting sin with sin, so to speak. But so far, I haven't been able to do that very well. Your email has quieted my spirit, and I want to thank you for that. I think I will now sit back and relax. Yes Ro 16:17 is appropriate as are many other scriptures. Thanks for noting that.

I truly believe in the beginning they simply didn't understand the correct way to view BG, in other words the extent of his heresy, but then when confronted; pride kicked in. And here we are.

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News Item12/23/14 6:01 PM
Dorcas  Find all comments by Dorcas
Frank wrote:
Well Mike, I'm glad the Apostle Paul didn't feel that way when Peter needed confronting. And I think I could come up with some more examples if you like. I hope you aren't going down a rabbit trail when no one else has gone there or implied we go there. Who is discussing perfection, except Michael H and John UK when it suits their purposes?
This love and defense of a false ecumenical teacher has been quite an eye opener, eh Frank?
Grateful that there are a few who have not turned a blind eye to BG and have obeyed the Bible to mark and avoid (romans16:17) such.
And expose his errors publicly to protect those who might be led astray.
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News Item12/23/14 5:24 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Saint James, thank you, yes I see the dilemma which v20 and other verses produce.

So let me imagine for a moment that the period of time described in Isaiah 65 latter part is not the eternal state, it is in time. What shall we have? Well, if we take it all literally, we shall have:
1. No infant deaths
2. Each person will live their full time
3. Saints and sinners will live together, as now
4. God's people shall build houses, plant vineyards
5. They shall eat the fruit thereof
6. No man shall take away their property
7. They are the seed of the Lord, along with all their offspring
8. God will answer their prayers before they pray
9. Wolves and lambs will get on together
10. Lions will eat straw like bullocks
11. The serpent shall still "bite the dust"
12. God will rejoice in Jerusalem
13. God will rejoice in his people
14. There will be no more weeping in Jerusalem, just joy in the Lord
15. Because God makes a new heavens and a new earth

Is that a fair summary, James? Is this what Saint Lurker is working on?

Now if this is true, when does it come to pass, because we know that all prophecy comes to pass. I turn in soon, but I shall look in, first thing in the morning. God's blessings to you, bro.

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News Item12/23/14 5:19 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Mike wrote:
Agree with your post, bro Michael. No offense here for sure. It's not about me anyway, right? When I myself become perfect in word or deed, then perhaps I shall take up the torch hunt for imperfect Christians who say or do imperfect things.
Well Mike, I'm glad the Apostle Paul didn't feel that way when Peter needed confronting. And I think I could come up with some more examples if you like. I hope you aren't going down a rabbit trail when no one else has gone there or implied we go there. Who is discussing perfection, except Michael H and John UK when it suits their purposes?
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News Item12/23/14 4:54 PM
James Thomas | Florida  Find all comments by James Thomas
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Sorry, brother James I don't see your point on Romans 10:20
Brother US, John of UK......good points and questions.

My attempt is to show how Paul in Romans 10 is speaking on a topic....cites the prophecy in Isaiah 65 as a specific verse 1&2 that is taking place in the time in which he is writing....now verse 3 is not cited but does it follow the same thought...yes....how about verse 4 yes...verse 5 yes...and on.

Now with that established by Scripture and Paul's reference... verse 17 goes to the eternal state? Why does this prophecy Paul cites in Romans 10 include verses that have the new H&E?

In the NT Paul is expanding on what Isaiah 65 means...how it is being fulfilled in his text in Romans 10...why else bring it in? The Holy Spirit is not the author of confusion.

If Isaiah 65:17-25 is speaking of the eternal state....why in verse 20 does the young man die? A sinner in the eternal state?
verse 23 bear children? I thought we were only doing that here?

On BG...God saves souls not BG....just ask Jonah. He had a crusade in Nineveh...only took one day...in fact it was a 20 second sermon....only because he took long pauses. And 100% repented.

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News Item12/23/14 4:42 PM
Ahem  Find all comments by Ahem
John UK wrote:
This is a very clever move, Ahem. Congratulations! If you do not regard me as a Christian brother but a Jesuit troll, that means that you don't have to love me like you love the saints. Yes, I am full of admiration for your tactics. However, the LIVING Lord Jesus is not impressed, and I trust he will have words with you, lest you go down deeper into the pit you are making for yourself. I would not wish to see that happen, because I am filled with joy of the Holy Ghost and desire your blessing and sanctification, even though you would have me separated from my brethren and sisters on this site.
Funny how you use a deplorable tactic and then turn on someone else when they point it out. Real cute!

Obviously, this hyped up holier than thou gives you a real buzz buddy, because you use it at every opportunity to run people down, now even speaking for God himself. Wow! How special are you?

As for your further tripe I think you've damaged your own reputation and don't need help to self destruct, especially when you've got your goad mate to help.

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News Item12/23/14 3:31 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Bible Teaching wrote:
WCF Bible Doctrine.
B Teaching
Wow! Is God's name WCF?

To be clear the LORD (Yahweh) is completely and entirely sovereign over all creation and every created being in it

NOT Because the WCF says so, and then dares to define what His sovereignty is and is not, BUT Because in Truth He is. And Scripture, His Word, which says so ought to be interpreted NOT by the WCF but in a humble fear of the LORD by what God Himself says to us

Now as to whom God clearly says He is against, really against and opposes, at the top of the list would be those living in Pride, Liars, ... well if you are willing you can search your own Bible for yourself, and so can others, even those you don't like, for themselves

BTW I have it on good authority all men will know we are His disciples NOT because we are zealous for and committed to the WCF BUT (and this can be frightening) because we love one another
I know, I know the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God

Ever think that means loving people who are way different from you, even those who you do not approve of?

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News Item12/23/14 3:18 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Bible Teaching wrote:
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3. BY THE DECREE OF GOD, for the manifestation of his glory, some men and angels/a are predestinated unto everlasting life, and others fore-ordained to everlasting death.b
a. Mat 25:41; 1 Tim 5:21. • b. Prov 16:4; Rom 9:22-23; Eph 1:5-6.
Clearly Calvinism is woven into and throughout Scripture.
You still find stuff in Scripture that isn't there. a. Esther 8:7; Job 10:11; 2 Kings 12:9; Hab. 3:7; Lam. 5:9; John 21:26
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News Item12/23/14 3:08 PM
Spalewr  Find all comments by Spalewr
Jim Lincoln wrote:
May I point out that God's Word came before Calvin? On top of that sometimes Calvin's ideas are even accurately reflected by his "disciples!"
Don't forget Jim you only have four fifths of the truth which will be a handicap in your perception of the truth.
Then there is your use of the heretical version that too will have an adverse influence.
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