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FRONT PAGE  |  6/19/2021
FRIDAY, NOV 21, 2014  |  18 comments
California Couple Stops Photographing Weddings to Avoid Having to Shoot Same-Sex Ceremonies

A California photography company has announced that it will no longer shoot wedding photography after gay activists protested against the business claiming it "denied" service to a same-sex couple for their wedding.

Nang and Chris Mai, the operators of the Bay Area-based Urloved Photography, posted to the company's website earlier in November that they'll no longer photograph weddings after they were harassed by LGBT activists for referring a gay couple seeking their service to another photographer instead of shooting the wedding themselves.

The Mais, who specialize in weddings, events and family portraits, say they've had to do away with wedding photography because they don't want to sacrifice their personal beliefs against same-sex weddings in order to abide by California's buisness discrimination laws. ...


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News Item11/23/14 8:14 AM
runethegoon | texas  Find all comments by runethegoon
The state of California does a wonderful job in protecting private business. The photographer couple should countersue for violation of their 1st ammendment rights.
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News Item11/23/14 4:48 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John Y, thanks for your response

Why would it be illogical to assume that a person participating in an activity is not doing that for which the activity is intended? If I see a person eating food at a restaurant, I don't assume they are really fasting because in their mind what they are doing isn't really eating. It would be totally illogical to assume that a person who is at mass and partaking in mass is not participating in the mass as being administered by the priest. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, its a duck. In the long run at the judgment day it matters not what the Baptist teach, or for that matter what I say. My contention is that your stance falls short of the standards of the Word of God.

From John 12:48 "...the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day."

You haven't changed your baptism, your confirmation, or stopped faithfully attending a RCC and regularly partaking in mass. How does any of that show you have been born from above? Read the testimonies in Romania Gains Lutheran President thread and make a comparison to what you constantly affirm here.

John my hope for you is that one day you give a testimony to the true salvation that is wrought from above.

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News Item11/23/14 4:16 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Unprofitable Servant, According to Baptist teaching I am saved and Born Again because of having embraced Jesus as Savior and trust in Him alone for salvation. It is totally illogical for you to believe that one who is not Born Again has the ability to know that there are unscriptural Catholic doctrines and unscriptural parts to the Mass. If one is not guided by the Holy Spirit they don't have the ability to know that there are unscriptural Catholic doctrines and unscriptural parts to the Mass. I now believe that taking pictures with the lens cap on is being deceptive and it is wrong. Why would you state the other Catholics in attendance at Mass assume I subscribe to all Catholic doctrines? I don't assume the other Catholics in attendance at Mass subscribe to all Catholic doctrines. That is totally illogical to assume that.
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News Item11/22/14 9:07 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Sadly, John, could have written your response. You know there was a reason I used capital letters in my first response, because they hired the photographer to take pictures of their ceremony, if he shows up and acts like he is doing that but instead is taking pictures of a lens cap then yes that is being deceptive(see definition).

Nobody has said you can't be deceptive, your constitutional rights aren't being violated.

Though not here, you are telling us you freely choose to go to the RCC and partake in the mass so that all who see believe you are following the RCC teachings of salvation. Here on this forum the only one being deceived is you (well and another poster).

God is not mocked, whatsoever a man sows he will reap, whether sowing to the Spirit and reaping life everlasting or as you choose sowing to the flesh to reap eternal corruption.

I said you would defend your actions that Scripture clearly condemns, it is just another sign that you haven't been born from above.

1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

1 John 2:4 He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments (try the 9th, note James 2:10), is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

God's Word is your judge!

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News Item11/22/14 6:54 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hi John, using the wedding scenario, it comes down to performing an acceptable service, along with the right to receive not only what you pay for, but a cetain quality of service/product as well, according to law. In this example, the photographer gets deposited, paid, and tipped as a professional who promises quality work, and to follow the requests of the employers. Sure, everyone makes mistakes but the law doesn't allow for mistakes in the service industry, and the courts are especially sympathetic to wedding disruptions which can't be repeated or fixed.
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News Item11/22/14 5:19 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Unprofitable Servant, Well technically with the lens cap on the camera pictures would be taken but they would be blank. So technically there is no deception. When I participate in the Mass I refrain from stating the unscriptural words in the Mass by not stating "And I ask the blessed Mary ever virgin and all the angels and saints" and "May the Lord accept this sacrifice at your hands for the praise and glory of His name for our good and the good of all His church". Not stating those unscriptural words is not being deceptive. The First Amendment to the Constitution Freedom of Religion guarantees that I have the right to practice the Catholic faith anyway I want to meaning I don't have to subscribe to the Catholic doctrines I deem to be unscriptural. If I was not really Born Again by having embraced Jesus as Savior and trusting in Him alone for salvation would I have the ability to know that there are some unscriptural Catholic doctrines and some unscriptural parts to the Mass?
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News Item11/21/14 9:04 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John Yurich

If I make an appearance at the wedding with my camera to TAKE PICTURES of your "wedding" and I leave my lens cap on but tell you I AM TAKING PICTURES of the event then I am being deceptive. It is no wonder you have no problem with this thinking, you go to mass and partake in it, but (according to you) you secretly change what people see on the outside because of thoughts and actions unknown to them, in other words, you are being deceptive.

deceptive - giving an appearance or impression different from the true one; misleading

What are some the Scriptures about such practice.

Proverbs 12:5 The thoughts of the righteous are right: but the counsels of the wicked are deceit.

Proverbs 12:20 Deceit is in the heart of them that imagine evil: but to the counselors of peace is joy.

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

see also Mark 7:22 and Romans 1:29
Being deceptive is called false, wicked, and evil

Your response will be to defend your actions. Maybe this will help you see why many on this board don't see you as regenerate. (I Samuel 15:22)

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News Item11/21/14 7:50 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Christopher000 wrote:
Hey John, sure they would, and if after agreeing to shoot the wedding with malice in mind, like never removing the lens, they would end up in, and lose miserably in court, especially when it concerns a wedding.
I thought the reason that a homosexual would sue a photographer was if the photographer refused to accommodate a homosexual wedding? Well if a photographer would be present at a homosexual wedding but leaving the lens cover on while shooting the homosexual wedding then the homosexual couple could not sue for refusal to accommodate the homosexual.
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News Item11/21/14 5:04 PM
PursuitofTruth  Find all comments by PursuitofTruth
A business has the freedom to choose who they serve. Period.
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News Item11/21/14 3:33 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Whatever the mark is, those that take it will deny Christ and willingly worship the antichrist. Like the Pharisees did when they said He had a demon. But once saved, always saved; so no worry.
Aye Frank, the Lord knoweth them that are his. But I sometimes wonder if the cashless society is already here, and by our acceptance of buying and selling in the modern way, the thing/person we worship may be something we know nothing of just yet.
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News Item11/21/14 3:26 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
It is in things like this, Frank, that the true children of Abraham will be revealed. Abraham is the father of all the faithful, and Jesus said to some who claimed descendency from Abraham that they were not doing what Abraham did, indeed the opposite.
Abraham heard the voice of God, and obeyed what the Lord told him to do. This is described in the new testament as "faith". And this is the faith we must have. I think one here calls it "the obedience of faith". This is not an intellectual assent to certain doctrines, as some vainly imagine; nor is it a confession of a doctrinal standard, even though those doctrines may well be true.
Saving faith is much more than this. It is nothing less than a revolution in the heart and life; it is God taking ownership of a sinner and making him into an obedient saint, a serving saint, a holy person who abandons himself or herself to the will of God, loving not the world but the Living God as supremely worthy of all worship and subservience.
Whatever that mark is, I won't be having any of it.
Whatever the mark is, those that take it will deny Christ and willingly worship the antichrist. Like the Pharisees did when they said He had a demon. But once saved, always saved; so no worry.
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News Item11/21/14 2:34 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
One day all mankind will be given a choice; take the "mark" or give up all you have including your lives.
It is in things like this, Frank, that the true children of Abraham will be revealed. Abraham is the father of all the faithful, and Jesus said to some who claimed descendency from Abraham that they were not doing what Abraham did, indeed the opposite.

Abraham heard the voice of God, and obeyed what the Lord told him to do. This is described in the new testament as "faith". And this is the faith we must have. I think one here calls it "the obedience of faith". This is not an intellectual assent to certain doctrines, as some vainly imagine; nor is it a confession of a doctrinal standard, even though those doctrines may well be true.

Saving faith is much more than this. It is nothing less than a revolution in the heart and life; it is God taking ownership of a sinner and making him into an obedient saint, a serving saint, a holy person who abandons himself or herself to the will of God, loving not the world but the Living God as supremely worthy of all worship and subservience.

Whatever that mark is, I won't be having any of it.

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News Item11/21/14 1:12 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Good for them. They are willing to take a cut in income to remain loyal to the Lord Jesus Christ, making a stand against ungodliness which might encourage others to also reject compromise just for the sake of money. The Lord will honour them for honouring the God of heaven.
Your comment is right on brother and thanks for providing it. I truly hope they stay strong in their convictions and I know if they are in the Lord, then He will give them grace and peace to endure whatever financial hardships that come their way. Love not the world, neither the things in the world .... Wealth, fame and power are simply ways that we have to gain more of the world. Col 3:5 tells us that greed is simply idolatry and when we go against our consciences regarding gaining wealth, then we are always guilty of that. We should never worship or trust in our circumstances, but in the One that controls and guides those circumstances. God loves me the same if my refrig is empty or full. This issue is hard for me personally; I admit.

One day all mankind will be given a choice; take the "mark" or give up all you have including your lives.

Chris, I like your definition of a troll and have always felt that JohnY was a troll in the truest sense.

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News Item11/21/14 6:30 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Kinda funny though...ha-ha. : )
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News Item11/21/14 6:29 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
John I am really sorry. I just copied your comment and something I copied from yesterday pasted instead which is very strange. I copied it to sort of refute something, but then decided not to.
Again, the definition wasn't meant for you or anyone. I was just looking to see how "troll" was defined yesterday...didn't mean to paste here...
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News Item11/21/14 6:24 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
In Internet slang, a troll (/?tro?l/, /?tr?l/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

Hey John, sure they would, and if after agreeing to shoot the wedding with malice in mind, like never removing the lens, they would end up in, and lose miserably in court, especially when it concerns a wedding.

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News Item11/21/14 4:54 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Good for them. They are willing to take a cut in income to remain loyal to the Lord Jesus Christ, making a stand against ungodliness which might encourage others to also reject compromise just for the sake of money. The Lord will honour them for honouring the God of heaven.
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News Item11/21/14 4:52 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Why don't they simply leave the lens on the camera while shooting a homosexual wedding? They would not be sued for refusing to accommodate a homosexual couple.
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