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FRONT PAGE  |  10/26/2021
FRIDAY, OCT 24, 2014  |  103 comments
CT: The Softer Face of Calvinism

I see a lot of misrepresentations of Reformed theology, among people both inside and outside the Reformed tradition. Many people think Reformed theology coalesces around five points or around the soteriological “doctrines of grace” rather than around historic confessions. And I see a lot of Calvinists who aren’t confessional, when in fact the Reformed tradition very much is. If you truly are a Calvinist, then you should be interested in Reformed confessions, I think. And when we look at the confessional tradition, it seems Reformed theology is broader than the more narrow five-point Calvinism.

Also, a number of people outside the Reformed community tend to associate the Reformed tradition with a narrowly dogmatic—in both senses of that term—way of thinking about the Christian faith. And they are rather disparaging about that. But not all of us are narrowly dogmatic. So I thought, Maybe the time has ...


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News Item12/4/15 10:27 PM
Rodney K. | Tennessee  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rodney K.
Malachi 1:3-5
And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the Lord of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the Lord hath indignation for ever. And your eyes shall see, and ye shall say, The Lord will be magnified from the border of Israel.
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News Item12/4/15 9:49 PM
Dylan | Paraguay  Find all comments by Dylan
I don't pity fools anymore who don't have the GUTS to face reality or their own illogical and unbiblical TRADITIONS based on BASELESS empty verses they actually have deluded themselves into thinking answer their heresies. Just like the Roman Catholics, Calvinists are to the death willfully enslaved to the stupidity of their own unbiblical traditions, and you know what THEY WILL DIE IN THEM JUST LIKE GOD LETS ROMAN CATHOLICS DIE IN THEIRS. Because God does NOT intervene in making choices for you, YOU and YOU alone make your own choices in this life, that is what being created in the image of God is all about, so on the day of judgement YOU and YOU alone will not get off in ignorance, you will understand the choices YOU made of YOUR own self determination and then acted upon them, and you and you alone will be judged, not the non existent Calvinistic false doctrine of predetermination.
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News Item11/4/15 7:38 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Dylan wrote:
1. Calvinism in its essence can be summed up in picturing God making a numbered list with only a certain amount of entries available, then watching God throw dice to decide who ...
2. 2Sa 22:21 KJV - The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness: according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me.
2Sa 22:22 KJV - For I have kept the ways of the LORD, and have not wickedly departed from my God.
Some considerations

1. As for God "his greatness is unsearchable" Ps 145.
God's greatness cannot be fathomed/measured along human parameters of comprehension. Predestination cannot be epitomized according to human limited perception.

Scripture points to exceeding/unknown purpose, knowledge and wisdom in God's designs and ways:

"O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"
Rm 11:33

2. Friend, if God had to render to us only what we deserve, nobody would stand a chance.

“He hath not dealt with us after our sins;
nor rewarded us according to our iniquities
… Like as a father pities his children,
so the LORD pities them that fear him.
For he knows our frame; he remembers that we are dust"
Ps 103

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News Item11/4/15 1:43 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Romans 8: 28  We know that all things work together for good for those who love God, to those who are called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

30 Whom he predestined, those he also called. Whom he called, those he also justified. Whom he justified, those he also glorified.

Calvinism just states the above, q.v., [URL=http://www.biblebb.com/files/ELECTION2.HTM]]]Election: Whose Choice?[/URL] This text file should help clear up some matters.

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News Item11/3/15 11:49 PM
Rodney K. | Tennessee  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rodney K.
Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me. Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous? Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou thunder with a voice like him? Deck thyself now with majesty and excellency; and array thyself with glory and beauty. Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him. Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place. Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret. Then will I also confess unto thee that thine own right hand can save thee.

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News Item11/3/15 11:07 PM
Dylan | Paraguay  Find all comments by Dylan
Calvinism in its essence can be summed up in picturing God making a numbered list with only a certain amount of entries available, then watching God throw dice to decide who He adds to the list (those to be saved). Because after all no one is saved by anything they do according to Calvinists, RIGHT!!!! No one is more righteous then anyone else according to Calvinists, RIGHT!!!! So since some are going to eternal damnation and supposedly are NO DIFFERENT then any of us (of ourselves), we can thank our lucky dice for coming up with our number, since neither those saved, or those lost have ANY DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER, RIGHT!!!!

So YUP according to Calvinism, God really doesn't love anything, let alone anyone, He just saves totally randomly since He supposedly didn't act upon any obedience shown from any being He created with the ability of self determination since according to Calvinists no being ever created has self determination at all.

Pffff the idiocy of Calvinism.

2Sa 22:21 KJV - The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness: according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me.
2Sa 22:22 KJV - For I have kept the ways of the LORD, and have not wickedly departed from my God.

Nope, there is the perfect righteousness of Christ, but there IS also our rig

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News Item10/26/14 8:07 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks John...those verses were helpful.
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News Item10/26/14 7:29 AM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
The softer face of Calvinism? As opposed to Calvin killing Servetus?
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News Item10/25/14 4:43 PM
servant | us  Find all comments by servant
Vail in the temple is rent. the father is accessible to everyone.being we have free will and a rebellious nature seeing him and opening the heart for him to abide in you is the issue. The fathers ways are beyond understanding , as far giving sight the bilnd.
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News Item10/25/14 4:14 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Troll Spotter wrote:
No good quoting scripture at this persistent lying kind. He's only interested in his so called "authoritative standards", not in the Word of God!
Let him make good his last lying accusation. Let's see exactly how 'Christian' he is.
I'm not holding my breath.
No, please don't hold your breath bro. He has told so many lies over the years, it is a part of his nature - the natural man. This, unfortunately, means that he is not born again yet. Maybe he never will be. It is sad, to be so close to Bible truth, yet unable to perceive the meaning, even the simplest of things. He might live and die clutching the catechism to his breast, and it will do him no good whatever.
____________

Servant us, thanks for that.

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News Item10/25/14 4:10 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Bible by Presbyterian wrote:
God can be found???
Correction
The Bible is by the Spirit of the Living God
Why even as "good" as us Baptist-type believers are know it was impossible for men, sinners by nature and by choice to give people the Bible, THAT took a Sovereing Supernatural work of the Spirit of God moving men to write perfectly in the original autographs each and every word in the very will of God saying what He means and meaning what He says (others may word this better)

dear ... Presbyterian

A pastor's wife in Knoxville TN joined in with some open-air evangelists and PREACHED God could save people from the White House to the Whore House, Testifying He saved her and delivered her from a $100 a day heroin addiction

Had she "found God" (had He found/saved her)? I know, I know to really answer you and I would have to check out what she meant by God, Jesus Christ, being saved, etc. etc.

But what do you think, is there in genuine saving faith (which Jesus Christ Himself is the personal author of, btw) a real experiencial finding of God, an intimate coming to know Him on a very personal level? or just essentially very knowledgable but still empty "religion"?

Think maybe this pastor's wife needed rebuke for too much faith?

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News Item10/25/14 4:00 PM
Troll Spotter  Find all comments by Troll Spotter
John UK wrote:
.... Hearken to the words of the Son of God in this passage:
Mark 1:14-18 KJV
(14) Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
(15) And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
(16) Now as he walked by the sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and Andrew his brother casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.
(17) And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.
(18) And straightway they forsook their nets, and followed him.
Now there are unseen spiritual things going on at back of this event, and all subsequent events when Jesus calls men to himself, but the preacher's job is not to talk about those things, but to preach the call - to ALL men, without respect of persons. IMHO
No good quoting scripture at this persistent lying kind. He's only interested in his so called "authoritative standards", not in the Word of God!

Let him make good his last lying accusation. Let's see exactly how 'Christian' he is.

I'm not holding my breath.

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News Item10/25/14 3:56 PM
servant | us  Find all comments by servant
By nature we are weak and easy to rebel but with the help of the holy spirit ,praying,studying ,fasting and fellowship we leave no space for our natural selves or satan to leaf astray .
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News Item10/25/14 3:50 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
I think it is very important to take as our example the Lord Jesus Christ, for all things, but especially in preaching the gospel and giving the gospel command. One thing that you will notice is that he did not back up every gospel call with "of course you are unable to do this."

Let me give an example. Hearken to the words of the Son of God in this passage:

Mark 1:14-18 KJV
(14) Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
(15) And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
(16) Now as he walked by the sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and Andrew his brother casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.
(17) And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.
(18) And straightway they forsook their nets, and followed him.

Now there are unseen spiritual things going on at back of this event, and all subsequent events when Jesus calls men to himself, but the preacher's job is not to talk about those things, but to preach the call - to ALL men, without respect of persons. IMHO

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News Item10/25/14 3:39 PM
Troll Spotter  Find all comments by Troll Spotter
Bible by Presbyterian wrote:
God can be found???
Without any divine help God - Can be found unto salvation - is the teaching of John UK.
Liar! Liar! Lying troll alert!

Demonstrating the Presbyterian doctrine of lies!

Show us all where John said the sentiments you ascribe to him. Where does he say "without any divine help" lying troll?

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News Item10/25/14 3:17 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
servant wrote:
Good day. john uk, you'er asking me how to abide and receive light.....well first let me say I'm no scholar or theologian but what i can tell you is my personal awakening. i was born and raised in church baptized at the age of 10 ,confessed my sins, tought to pray ect. But none of that ment nothing to me until i was stripped of all that i thought was important to me. At that point and time it was either life(jesus christ) or death. so when i proyed my heart out to the father, it seem that life got harder. But the beautiful thing about it was that during my trials god's grace and love became more evident. but most of all i saw my sins more clearly. I started to understand my lords sacrifice and his righteousness(light).of course we must follow the word of god when it comes baptism and ect. but to observe those things and lack the moment of his calling is piontless.
Good day to you also, and thank you for sharing that your experience of God and his wonderful grace.

And now I trust you are seeking to abide in Christ and be filled with light, which is a lifelong thing. I was wondering how you are setting about it, or do you believe you will abide in him regardless?

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News Item10/25/14 3:09 PM
Bible by Presbyterian  Find all comments by Bible by Presbyterian
John UK wrote:
The testimony of God is: "I was found of them that sought me not."
This tells us that God can be found. But that he is found by those who are not looking for him.
This is a mystery to Presbies.
God can be found???
Without any divine help God - Can be found unto salvation - is the teaching of John UK.

1Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

According to Jesus even HE cannot be found without God's help.
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6.

Jesus disagreeing with John UK - Who would think it???

So:-
Rom 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

How can God be found by those who cannot seek HIM?
Well the Christian only knows of one way to find God that is by faith the gift of God and by the work of the Holy Spirit. Thus it is the Born Again Christian who can "find" God - But by and only with divine help.
Even though they were not looking for GOD beforehand. Before calling and regeneration.

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News Item10/25/14 2:50 PM
servant | us  Find all comments by servant
Good day. john uk, you'er asking me how to abide and receive light.....well first let me say I'm no scholar or theologian but what i can tell you is my personal awakening. i was born and raised in church baptized at the age of 10 ,confessed my sins, tought to pray ect. But none of that ment nothing to me until i was stripped of all that i thought was important to me. At that point and time it was either life(jesus christ) or death. so when i proyed my heart out to the father, it seem that life got harder. But the beautiful thing about it was that during my trials god's grace and love became more evident. but most of all i saw my sins more clearly. I started to understand my lords sacrifice and his righteousness(light).of course we must follow the word of god when it comes baptism and ect. but to observe those things and lack the moment of his calling is piontless.
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News Item10/25/14 2:49 PM
Troll Spotter  Find all comments by Troll Spotter
question wrote:
Oh Look. The foul-mouthed evil hearted Baptist doctrine of hate is on the thread again. Are there any Christians in the Baptist group?
Oh look the hateful unregenerate Presby troll who comes on here to parade his doctrine of biblical ignorance and lies to goad and taunt the Baptists even though he knows no Bible or the God of the Bible. Are there no true Christians in the Presbys group?
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News Item10/25/14 2:43 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
The testimony of God is: "I was found of them that sought me not."

This tells us that God can be found. But that he is found by those who are not looking for him.

This is a mystery to Presbies.

But then, so are the words of our Lord Jesus Christ: "Repent ye, and believe the gospel."

Those who repent and believe the gospel are saved, and those who do not repent and do not believe the gospel are not saved - yet. But they could be if they did repent and believe the gospel.

I believe God, and that is a good thing to do.

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