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SATURDAY, OCT 5, 2013  |  76 comments
Joel Osteen finally comes out on 'gay' issue

God “absolutely” approves of everyone — including homosexuals — declared one of America’s most well-known evangelical pastors

The Houston megapastor and best-selling author Joel Osteen, whose followers include the likes of Cher and Oprah Winfrey, is hitting the talk-show circuit to promote his new book, “Break Out! 5 Keys to Go Beyond Your Barriers and Live an Extraordinary Life.”

I believe the scripture says that being gay is a sin. But, you know, every time I say that, Chris … people say, well, you are a gay hater and you’re a gay basher,” Osteen told Wallace during the interview. “I’m not. I don’t – I don’t dislike anybody. Gays are some of the nicest, kindest, most loving people in the world. But my faith is based on what I believe the scripture says, and that’s the way I read the scripture.” ...

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News Item10/10/13 12:46 AM
Dolores L | Texas  Find all comments by Dolores L
Btw..I had not been born when my sister died as a baby at age 15 months..I was born 14 yrs. later.It caused my mother to go in a deep depression which caused my sister who was only afew years older some damage also, I'm sure.I'm telling you your insight is from God and He wants at peace with this and finally I am!

News Item10/10/13 12:29 AM
Dolores L | Texas  Find all comments by Dolores L
Every thing you wrote is how I feel.God keeps bringing me back to my sisters life as I knew from bits and pieces that mama told me. Daddy had a terrible temper and he was so mean to her and mom. When I came along he was older and more mello.I was afaid of him and never sassed him. He had his demons also but I believe he truly loved us as much as he could..I had a baby sister that died of diptheria and you could hear her labored breathing and my dad passed out when she was dying,( she died at home).There was depression in our family and most of the family are on meds for it including my sister.She seemed to really know God and like you I feel that God has been trying to reassure me of her salvation and you writting what you did and you reading the comments of Josephus was no accident it was from God..believe me He has brought me through so much and given me wisdom. I can't believe how you have changed in your thinking lately. I do not judge others hearts..I don't know what God knows..His love is so awesome. My dad got saved afew months before he died. A preach sent to him by my brother-in- law..he was asked if he was saved and usually he would say yes but this time he said and the preacher led him to the Lord.Thanks for sharing with me and the reassurance.Btw my sister was so muc

News Item10/9/13 9:37 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
BTW, that was in response to where I left off in another thread a few days ago.

News Item10/9/13 8:18 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I'm very familiar with "By your fruits you will know them", but we don't know how God is working within at any given moment...

News Item10/9/13 8:14 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
...On top of it, he suffered with depression most of his life making the struggle even more difficult.
The point of all this is that only God knows each individual heart, and I feel that each and every human being is very unique in His eyes; taking into account all that life threw at them along with the struggles that they faced, how they, as individuals, tried to overcome them, and how they loved him, despite what outward appearances may have told us. Not everything is so black and white to me because our personal situations, struggles, genetic makeups, and other extenuating circumstances make each and every one of us vastly different from the next, and I believe that God judges based upon a compilation of many other things buried deep within hearts that only He can see.
Maybe I'll get taken to task for some if this but my simple point is that we can't always judge by what we see happening on the outside.

News Item10/9/13 8:13 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I don't see everything as being so black and white anymore because I believe that God looks much deeper within than we are able to see...He can see what's really in the heart as opposed to what a person does and says on the outside. We see what we see and make our judgements, but only God knows the true person, what's really going on inside, and how hard they fight; how hard they struggle, even though we might not be aware of these things. A person who doesn't seem all that good to us might only be not that good, as opposed to terrible because they struggle daily not to be terrible and are working on being better than not that good. Hope that made sense. My father was a terrible man, one of those people you would never guess Christ could change, well, He did In his 40's after a lifetime of traumas and living very badly. My dad had a genuine conversion, loved Christ, witnessed boldly, and studied his Bible, but he struggled every single day to overcome his demons. He fought hard every day for many years but the struggle became so much and so tiring that he (very wrongly) killed himself. He felt it was his only way out as opposed to reverting back to who he was. He never left a note, but this is always what I thought. On top of it, he suffered with depression most of his life makin

News Item10/9/13 8:10 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Dolores, I've always wondered why I struggle so hard with sin and why it seems so easy for some. We all sin, of course, but I wondered why it seems so easy for some to be so seemingly "good" and upright while people like me have to fight the demons hard every day. Josephus, when pondering this question, said that the level of difficulty one has after becoming a Christian will depend on how they lived their lives up to that point; having much to overcome. He called it a "palsy", and said, "blessed is he who overcomes a palsy", basically saying that. Our level of difficulty lies in how we lived our lives up until our conversion; what we were used to doing, how we were used to dark we were. This made sense to me. The worse we were, the more we have to overcome; the more struggles we'll have. This got me thinking about how unique we are before God. Not only in the items I mentioned, but other circumstances as well such as mental disorders, chemical imbalances, damage from drugs, genetics, various forms of depression, environmental factors, childhood traumas, and the list goes on.

News Item10/8/13 11:18 PM
Dolores L | Texas  Find all comments by Dolores L
Thank you, Dorcas, and all the that gave condolences on the death of my sister..we were avery small family.. i was a late in life baby, my sister was 16 when I was born..she was very important to me. My mom died in 1980 and my dad in 1988. All my aunts and uncles all have passed on from both
sides, that made her death even harder.It's such a comfort to have true Christian friends to stand wih us.

News Item10/8/13 12:24 AM
Dorcas | USA  Find all comments by Dorcas
I also listened to this sermon and was very blessed.
My condolences to you Dolores on the passing of your sister.
I am praying for you as I know others are also.
"Be of good courage,and he shall strengthen your heart,all ye that hope in the LORD."
Psalm 31:24.

News Item10/8/13 12:14 AM
Dolores L | Texas  Find all comments by Dolores L
I did listen to the sermon False Profession and this preacher confirmed what I already believed but in a way I had never heard before..comparing the false professers to having no fruit just as the fig tree had leaves and looked good from a distance but when Jesus got closer to get figs to eat because He was hungry there was none so Jesus cursed the barren tree..also am glad to hear someone say we can't judge a person because we don't know their heart but we can inspect their fruit. Great sermon.

News Item10/7/13 11:34 PM
Veritas Cafe  Find all comments by Veritas Cafe
So nice he reads the Bible then does whatever he wants.... it is wrong for all of us to do...especially a so called leader.

News Item10/7/13 7:10 PM
False Profession..Roger Higgison..found here on Sermon Audio.
Very beneficial!!

News Item10/7/13 8:00 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hey Dolores, I posted back but will post more later. Penelope, and others...good posts.

Also, GS...I've been meaning to tell you that I like your posts, along with the lack of attitude you take when someone comes at you, disagrees, etc


News Item10/6/13 5:07 PM
Dolores L | Texas  Find all comments by Dolores L
Hi Chris, I thought your comment really good..seems most agree on the basics of salvation..makes me wonder how we all got on this and why..maybe someone reading this forum is seaching for answers? Who knows. Your post on the Billy Graham thread helped me see something about my sister that I had been thinking about..that maybe something God was trying to help me with.I left a comment if you ever get back there.

News Item10/6/13 3:00 PM
FYI  Find all comments by FYI
As our blessed Redeemer said,Dolores
Christs sheep hear His Voice and they follow Him.
All of Gods best to you.

News Item10/6/13 2:59 PM
FYI  Find all comments by FYI

News Item10/6/13 2:58 PM
b4real  Find all comments by b4real
I give the Lord praise for what He's done for you Delores, and for me. Sadly, you have seen the dangers of the altar call in your own family. We are kept by His power, until we depart or He comes; for that we should continually praise Him.
May the love of Christ be shed more abundantly in all our hearts.

News Item10/6/13 2:55 PM
Dolores L | Texas  Find all comments by Dolores L
I really do see what you are saying and you are right that an alter call does not necessiarly mean salvation for that person. My sister who passed away last week, went to church every Sunday with her family but there was never a change in her sinful behavior..affairs etc. When I tried to talk to her about it she always said, "I went to the alter at whatever age,( she never said ) So I'm thankfuL for all of your concern here that I know the truth. I was called by God and like Penny said, I repented of my sins ( even at a young age I knew I sinned and knew I was was God that convicted me , I repented, believed that Jesus saved me, got baptized and He alone gave me a different desire than I had..I wanted to serve Him,not do wrong things that would displease Him..sin was distasteful to me in others as well as myself..and He has kept all these years..not by works lest I should boast but by His grace alone.Love all of you as sisters and brothers in Christ.

News Item10/6/13 1:50 PM
Arawl  Find all comments by Arawl
Dolores L wrote:
Now did God give him a choice or not. He gave him what the consquences would be if he disobeyed which he chose to ignore.
I think when we look at Adam and Eve we have to remember that we see them in two states. (1) Pre-sin. (2) Post-sin.
We today are all Post-sin. We are all born from parents who were sinners all the way back to Adam and Eve. We are all born sinners.
So if we look at the famous "Free Will" question we note that as born sinners we do not have "free will" BECAUSE of sins influence upon us. Whereas if we look at Adam and Eve "Pre-sin" - Then we see two mortals who are not yet influenced by sin. At that point I would say Adam and Eve had free wills.

As for John Yurich's point in saying we become Christians by quote "asking" Jesus to come into our life. We cannot do that at the stage - before - Christ/Holy Spirit arrives. The "Natural" stage. Since before we are born again we cannot discern spiritually, 1Cor 2:14. Therefore it must be Christ/Holy Spirit who provides the ability in us to "ask" for Christ - And know we are sinners and need saving.
How do we become saved? - Jesus saves us. Without any input from man in his natural state.


News Item10/6/13 12:53 PM
GS Texas | Texas  Find all comments by GS Texas
John Y, you will not find the phrase " alter call" in the Bible. Look at the early church in acts, there is no mention of such a practice. They went to streets,and public places to preach. I'm not saying that no one who responded to an alter call is saved, but it is not of the alter call, but of the conviction of the Holy Spirit. I've seen too many people respond to an alter call, make a profession of faith, and they live like the devil all week long. They get caught up in the emotions, and are false converts. They felt bad about their sins, but weren't convicted by the Holy Spirit to forsake their sins and live for Christ. I think the watered down Gospel message and soft, emotional music have a lot to do with it.
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