President Barack Obama and the first family have, in years past, attended church services as a part of their Christmas celebration in Hawaii, but a brief description of the President's Christmas Eve and Christmas Day activities doesn't mention churchgoing at all.
The commander-in-chief took time before dinner on Christmas Eve to make "holiday telephone calls" to members of the U.S. military during his vacation in Kailua, Hawaii, a White House press pool report states. On Christmas morning he and his family opened gifts, ate breakfast and sang carols together.
In the afternoon, the president and first lady visited service members and their families at Marine Corps Base Hawaii before enjoying a dinner with family and friends. The president is scheduled to leave Hawaii for Washington, D.C., on Wednesday evening in order to continue working on the nation's fiscal crisis, though the rest of the...
xRomanCatholic wrote: Shy a. 1. Fearful of near approach; keeping at a distance through caution or timidity… 2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. 1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. Isa 41:10 Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.
I am not timid. I am shy only in that I have a stuttering problem and I don't like to engage in verbal communication that often because it takes a long time to finish a sentence because of the pausing do to the stuttering. I am working on overcoming the stuttering.
Unprofitable Servant, I will respond to your post later on.
Jim Lincoln, I will respond to your post later on.
No, John Y., it appears you either don't like people or just the people who attend the Romish Church? You already have implied you don't like Christians since you won't attend a Christian Church. [URL=http://www.jashow.org/wiki/index.php?title=Why_Should_I_Become_an_Active_Member_of_a_Church#Scriptural_Support_for_Membership]]]Why Should I Become an Active Member of a Church[/URL] and [URL=http://www.biblebb.com/files/GOODCHURCH.HTM]]]What to Look for in a Church[/URL].
But may I suggest John, you have a much more serious problem than aiding and abetting the apostate Roman Catholic Church. I still think you think there is efficacy in such actions and in the sacraments? I would suppose their is the Mass on Christmas eve? [URL=http://www.jashow.org/Articles/roman-catholicism/RC0201W2.htm]]]The Sacrifice of the Mass -- Blessing or Bondage?[/URL] It and the other [URL=http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?bible3b.htm]]]The Sacraments[/URL] are completely ineffective. When I or other Protestants go to the Christmas Eve service (Oh I did.) We are neither more Christian to be attending it or less so than not attending it.
Now, while President Obama as the leader of the nation, would have been a good example to attend services, but it he is what he is--no matter if he did.
John Yurich USA wrote: xRomanCatholic, Hebrews 10 means not to forsake attending worship services ..
Hello John. Again, you are the only one, I can see, that is saying that you have to belong to a certain church in order to be saved. What people are saying is why would one who is born from above want to stay in a church where people are taught to worship someone other than the God of the Bible? Where they are taught that you must earn your way into heaven by obeying the sacramental system? Where they pray to and confess to men instead of God? A later verse in Hebrews (13:17) cannot be fulfilled in a church that is ruled by unsaved men. There are plenty of one another verses (check your concordance) that are to take place in the fellowship with other believers. The church is an assembly of believers and you are choosing to gather with a church of non-believers, does that make sense? The pastor is commanded to rightly divide the Word of truth,and to reprove, rebuke, and exhort believers. The priest takes a message sent (up to three years in advance) by the Vatican that if it did rightly divided the Word of Truth it would renounce the papacy and shut down the church.
John Yurich USA wrote: ...And I don't even fellowship with anybody at the Catholic Church that I attend as I am shy...
Shy a. 1. Fearful of near approach; keeping at a distance through caution or timidity…
2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. 1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. Isa 41:10 Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.
xRomanCatholic, Hebrews 10 means not to forsake attending worship services on the weekend. It has nothing to do with fellowshipping. And I don't even fellowship with anybody at the Catholic Church that I attend as I am shy. I have attended Evangelical Protestant Church services several times at my brother's Non Denominational Church and each time I sat in the back of the church and did not fellowship with anybody. I don't see the need to have that many friends. What good are friends anyway? Catholics are not pagans because they do not fit the dictionary definition of a pagan since they have always worshiped Jesus as God. Pagans do not worship Jesus such as the Jews, Muslims, JW's, Mormons and Christian Science. The reason why I do not see the need to get out of the RCC and unite with an Evangelical Protestant Church is that the church that one who is Born Again attends is totally superfluous to their gaining entrance into Heaven after they pass away. The Bible only gives one requirement for salvation and gaining entrance into Heaven and that is to embrace Jesus as ones Savior and Lord. When everybody stands before Jesus after passing away He will not look at the church that one attended in determining who will enter Heaven. He will only look at if they had embraced Him as Savior.
What is the big deal? Xmas isn't something Christians should be celebrating anyway, it's pagan in origin, besides when did God get a birthday? Can His years be numbered? What a waste, celebrate God's amazing grace giving Him glory everyday!
John – I don’t wish to be uncouth – but how is it that you can go about saying the bible says “Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together….” In Hebrews 10 – but then in the next breath say you are too shy to fellowship with your Brothers and Sisters – your family? This is a very sad statement. You find the company of Pagans better than the company of the family of God. Besides that – if we are parts of the body – how is it that the body you should be a part of can function without you? We are all no less/more important in the functioning of the body – if you are truly saved – get where you need to be and get out of the RCC. Why such a hard refusal to come out and be separate?
VCII can’t truly do anything to change past declarations. If an organization purports to own truth, speak truth, and have all truth – forgive me if I can’t look past their horrendous contradictions. If VCII changes everything – the RCC can’t claim it doesn’t change – and is not the pillar and ground of the truth you are looking for.
Michael Hranek wrote: roll on the floor laughing although for someone who insists they are saved yet is miserable to fellowship with genuine born agin believers that they might find in Protestant and Evangelical Churches it is far more of a WEEPING matter than a laughing one but sometimes we laugh to keep from crying
The reason why I don't like to fellowship with anybody is that I am shy. I don't see the need of having that many friends. What good are friends anyway? Fellowshipping is not required for gaining entrance into Heaven after passing away.
xRomanCatholic, All the Independent Baptist Churches, all the other kind of Baptist Churches, my brother's Non Denominational Church as well as all the other Non Denominational and Evangelical Protestant Churches in the area where I reside had Christmas Eve services. I will not provide any phone number or website as I wish to remain anonymous and don't want anybody on here to find out where I reside. No, non Catholics are not required to obey the rules of the Catholic Church, that is what I was taught in religious education class after school in elementary school and that was after Vatican II. So obviously Vatican II did away with what Boniface VII.
The president and his family did not attend a church service for Christmas, who cares? why does it matter? Another non-news news story. Hopefully people are not looking to the president as a spiritual leader and example.
taketh not thy name in vain wrote: Isn't ROTFL a swearword or something ending in "lord"? Is it okay to use on SA?
roll on the floor laughing
although for someone who insists they are saved yet is miserable to fellowship with genuine born agin believers that they might find in Protestant and Evangelical Churches it is far more of a WEEPING matter than a laughing one but sometimes we laugh to keep from crying
Taketh - it stands for rolling on the floor laughing. There is another acronym that i think you are talking about - i wont repeat it here - a musical duo had the letters for their name. And that acronym IS profane
Michael Hranek wrote: John Yurich Not to be disrepectful BUT ROTFL Isn't that exactly what you are doing in refusing to part company with the RCC false church and fellowship with people who are genuinely born again in Protesant/Evangelical Churches, as you are so fond of proclaiming over and over again you're born again. ROTFL
Isn't ROTFL a swearword or something ending in "lord"? Is it okay to use on SA?
Whatever this rant is about it doesn't sound like love. Sounds awfully petty.
John Yurich USA wrote: But the Bible states not to forsake the assembling together.
John Yurich Not to be disrepectful BUT ROTFL Isn't that exactly what you are doing in refusing to part company with the RCC false church and fellowship with people who are genuinely born again in Protesant/Evangelical Churches, as you are so fond of proclaiming over and over again you're born again. ROTFL
John Yurich USA wrote: I am cognizant that the original spelling was Christmass.....
If it was the original spelling – why did it change? Who changed it – when did it change? Until I find otherwise I would guess it was the old “Glasses on I am Clark Kent, Glasses off Superman” trick. One “S” is dropped and the RCC has thrown us off the scent!
Like I said – only the Lutherans and Catholics did something “extra” in my area. Can you point me to a website or phone number of the most conservative independent church that had something this year? You said every Evangelical Protestant church had one.
Technically – all non-Catholics are required to obey their rules. But then again – I got saved and I don’t need to obey their rules. I didn’t like it when I read Pope Boniface VIII said - Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff. Thanks but no thanks
xRomanCatholic wrote: 1) Hi John – No I didn’t – look it up on New Advent – It simply means Christ Mass – the Mass of Christ. 2) Yes. I didn’t see one non Catholic or Catholic Lite (Lutheran) building that had an Eve service 3) I Celebrate his death, burial, and resurrection every day – I am not who I am without him or what he did for me. And as publican said - we remember this in the Lord's Super 4) I assemble three + times per week – check. Yet – compulsory attendance enforced by the RCC is corrupt evil. Again - Publican has me right - my joy is in not being forced under threats of Hell to attend Mass on made-up holy days throughout the year. I have freedom to worship God in Spirit and Truth.
I am cognizant that the original spelling was Christmass but it is now spelled Christmas and has been for centuries. Funny in the area where I reside every Lutheran Church and every Evangelical Protestant Church had Christmas Eve services to celebrate the Birth of Jesus. And on the websites for all the branches of the Lutheran Church they all state that they celebrate the Birth of Jesus with Christmas Eve services. Protestants of course do not have to follow the RCC teaching of attending Mass. But the Bible states not to forsake the assembling together.
John Yurich USA wrote: 1)You spelled Christmas wrong. It is not Christmass but is Christmas. 2)Oh you seriously doubt that any Born Again individual attended Christmas Eve services to celebrate the Birth of Jesus? Well most Evangelical Protestant Churches celebrate the Birth of Jesus by having Christmas Eve services. 3)And you don't believe in celebrating the Resurrection of Jesus? The religious aspect of Easter is all about the Resurrection of Jesus. 4)And you don't believe that not attending church is a sin? The Bible states not to forsake the assembling together.
1) Hi John – No I didn’t – look it up on New Advent – It simply means Christ Mass – the Mass of Christ. 2) Yes. I didn’t see one non Catholic or Catholic Lite (Lutheran) building that had an Eve service 3) I Celebrate his death, burial, and resurrection every day – I am not who I am without him or what he did for me. And as publican said - we remember this in the Lord's Super 4) I assemble three + times per week – check. Yet – compulsory attendance enforced by the RCC is corrupt evil. Again - Publican has me right - my joy is in not being forced under threats of Hell to attend Mass on made-up holy days throughout the year. I have freedom to worship God in Spirit and Truth.
Stay your assault, John Yurich. Perhaps that was the spelling intended. There is no impetus, much less mandate, for the celebration of the birth of Jesus. Many Protestant churches have no Xmas eve services. What does that mean? Perhaps xRC 'celebrates' the resurrection with the Lord's supper. I perceive no assertion of continued non-attendance, merely a relief that not attending these 'mandated holy days', is not adjudged a mortal sin. Praise God for a converted one, and instruct with love and meekness.
xRomanCatholic wrote: When i was a Catholic - Christmass and Easter were required days for mass. Not going when you have the ability = a mortal sin and certain Hell awaits you. Now that i am saved - i don't have to worry about man made "holy days". Amen! I seriously doubt any born again brother or sister saints were at any type of service.
You spelled Christmas wrong. It is not Christmass but is Christmas. Oh you seriously doubt that any Born Again individual attended Christmas Eve services to celebrate the Birth of Jesus? Well most Evangelical Protestant Churches celebrate the Birth of Jesus by having Christmas Eve services. And you don't believe in celebrating the Resurrection of Jesus? The religious aspect of Easter is all about the Resurrection of Jesus. And you don't believe that not attending church is a sin? The Bible states not to forsake the assembling together.
When i was a Catholic - Christmass and Easter were required days for mass. Not going when you have the ability = a mortal sin and certain Hell awaits you. Now that i am saved - i don't have to worry about man made "holy days". Amen! I seriously doubt any born again brother or sister saints were at any type of service.
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