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WEDNESDAY, MAR 7, 2012  |  19 comments
Vatican exhibits spotlight the Bible, Vatican archive

Christian history buffs have a lifetime of treasures to explore in Rome, including two new exhibits that opened Feb. 29 at the Vatican.

"Lux in Arcana" puts on display for the first time documents from the storied Vatican Secret Archive, including the records of Galileo Galilei's heresy trial, and a letter to the pope signed by clergy and members of the English Parliament seeking an annulment for King Henry VIII so he could marry Anne Boleyn.

The second exhibition is dedicated to the Bible, and displays more than 150 rare biblical texts and artifacts. The exhibit features items from the private collection of the Green family, who own the Hobby Lobby craft store chain in the United States. ...


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News Item3/12/12 2:48 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, James, "What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander." One only has to pick up a copy, or better--since it shouldn't be in the house--an electronic copy of the AV, and do such word searches as, "unicorn or p***"and see that the AV has at least [URL=http://www.bible.ca/b-kjv-only.htm#errors]]]Indisputable, universally recognized errors in the KJV[/URL].

So, James, pick up a copy of the NKJV so you and your family will have no problem in getting all of the Word of God. if you need reading material, James, there's always [URL=http://sw.ihcc.org/sw_index.php?id=book_desc&item_id=LE4M8kmVLzeQXoHyCQTYnknNn]]]King James Version Debate[/URL], [URL=http://sw.ihcc.org/sw_index.php?id=book_desc&item_id=W10tqVjzBQvzWE8sOze5OQXJC]]]King James Only Debate, The Facts on[/URL] and [URL=http://sw.ihcc.org/sw_index.php?id=book_desc&item_id=1CwPJPdSlH7L583Cz0sG5ntS1]]]King James Only Controversy[/URL]. But, since the AV isn't in English, one doesn't even need to go that far. It should be obvious that for church purposes anyway, a new Bible is necessary. However, if you use and understand the AV, okay. Keep on using it--if you won't use anything else.

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News Item3/11/12 7:53 PM
James | Louisianna  Find all comments by James
Jim someday you may actually read some things that are not in agreement with your position and you may find out you were wrong. Naaah! Your like an evolutionist who only listens to people who agree with them and shouts louder than the opposition if they dare to express an opposing view. You and James White deserve each other.
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News Item3/11/12 4:51 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Personally I think that the NKJV, is acceptable version of the Bible--if one reads the marginal notes. I would consider it an acceptable substitute for the AV.
I think I have a bit more information than you, Jim, on this version NKJV, as I studied it exclusively for nine years. I chucked it out when checking the margin notes: the text said "yes" and the margin said "or no".

I can do without a Bible like that.

It also made references to the critical text, as if those texts had equal clout.

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News Item3/11/12 4:42 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
From all the comments I have read about the [URL=http://www.kj21.com/]]]The 21st Century King James Version of the Holy Bible (KJ21®)[/URL]from which I get this comment about their version, "he 21st Century King James Version of the Holy Bible (KJ21®) is an accurate updating of the King James Version (KJV) of A.D. 1611. While easier to read and understand, it preserves the traditional Biblical language and sacred message of its historic predecessor.…" The other remarks about it, where complaints on how slavish they followed the AV. Personally I think that the NKJV, is acceptable version of the Bible--if one reads the marginal notes. I would consider it an acceptable substitute for the AV. Dr. Wallace pointed out it would be handy as a tool for the individual to translate the AV into English. But again I even pointed out you can get the 1611 version of the AV for free when you use, e-Sword. Like the complete works of Shakespeare a copy of the AV probably should be in everyone's library as an important literary work.
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News Item3/11/12 4:27 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
John UK, when did I discourage any organization such as the Trinitarian Society from transferring the AV to contemporary English...
You haven't, as far as I can remember. But why did you say the KJ21 was in contemporary English?
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News Item3/11/12 4:23 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John UK, when did I discourage any organization such as the Trinitarian Society from transferring the AV to contemporary English?--Especially if they don't like how others have done it?There is a one-man effort which did the American KJV, and of course there is the [URL=http://www.bible-researcher.com/nkjv.html]]]New King James Version[/URL], which unfortunately followed the Textus Receptus even better than the AV Is perhaps the only Bible where the marginal notes are a better translation than what is in the main text.

As far as personal preferences go, I have never came down hard on anyone who wanted to use the AV, though of course I find it strange those people don't want an accurate Bible. It is of necessity to have at least the Strong Concordance handy and the only time--I might not show askance--if a person used [URL=http://www.amazon.com/Ryrie-Study-Hardback-Letter-Bibles/dp/0802438598]]]The Ryrie KJV Study Bible Hardback-Red Letter[/URL].

No, James, the supporters of the AV are a fringe group, with weak arguments. [URL=http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/_PDFArchives/practical-christianity/PC3W0103.pdf]]]Why KJVO Claims and Arguments Cannot Be Trusted[/URL]--as Dr. White pointed out.

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News Item3/11/12 12:06 AM
James | Louisianna  Find all comments by James
Weak Jim very weak
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News Item3/10/12 3:49 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
John UK, as I have often pointed out, so why not support The 21st Century King James Version of the Holy Bible from what I read as a major failing of slavishly following the AV, except it is in contemporary English?
Ha! You think the KJV21 is in contemporary English?
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News Item3/10/12 2:48 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
TS, you know the AV is an inspired Bible just as the Jehovah Witnesses know that the [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/theological-dictionary/TD0605W4.htm]]]NWT Part 1[/URL]base baris the inspired word of God? The translators of the AV didn't make that mistake.

John UK, as I have often pointed out, so why not support [URL=http://www.kj21.com/]]]The 21st Century King James Version of the Holy Bible (KJ21®)[/URL], from what I read as a major failing of slavishly following the AV, except it is in contemporary English? Or your own Trinitarian Society could come out with an AV that is in contemporary British English?

James, you need comparisons? Just read the WHOLE article on [URL=http://web.archive.org/web/20071021065646/http://faith.propadeutic.com/questions.html]]]Comparing Bible Translations[/URL]. But as some people wanted to burn and actually did the RSV for a term in the Old Testament so can people burn the AV just for:

Doug Kutilek wrote:
And I could write at length of the KJV's fourfold reference to the Holy Spirit, Third Person of the Trinity, as "it" (John 1:32; Romans 8:16, 26; I Peter 1:11),…blasphemy
excerpt from [URL=http://www.kjvonly.org/doug/kutilek_restating_obvious_pr.htm]]]Restating the Obvious about Bible Translation[/URL]
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News Item3/9/12 6:45 PM
James | Louisianna  Find all comments by James
Jim
You have never compared Bible translations or verses, texts, textual criticism, all you do is quote someone saying why they don't believe KJV is blah blah blah and then attacked anyone who believes otherwise. Study to show THYSELF approved unto GOD. if you want to believe God has not preserved His Word and that the best we can hope for is the Lockman Foundations NASB that's groovy, but for those of us who do believe God promised to preserve His Word unto every generation psalm 12:6-7
We are going to believe the Bible over any scholar and certainly over a scholar hack that has not researched, but merely parrots what others have said. A pleasure as always...
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News Item3/9/12 6:34 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Ankerberg and Weldon wrote:
Remember that it was the KJV translators themselves who stated in their original preface that the very purpose of their translation was to provide God’s Word in a readable and understandable fashion. They recognized and accepted the translation work that had been done before them. So then how can anyone logically argue that they would object to modern translations being done today for the same purpose?
I certainly wouldn't object, if the translations were made from the same texts. But they are not from the same texts.

This issue is not about the modernising of the Bible at all; it is about introducing a new greek text, first formulated by Drs Westcott & Hort ( ) and continued by modernistical "scholars", who are most determined to extract thousands of words from our Bible, especially words like "blood" and "hell" and "God", until there is no gospel left but a social gospel. This will suit the ecumenical movement perfectly, who hate the idea of a substitutionary atonement, and atonement IN HIS BLOOD, and a GOD who is made FLESH.

Don't you find it amazing Jim that there is not ONE modernised version of the AV available to the modern world, which has not corrupted it.

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News Item3/9/12 3:02 PM
TS  Find all comments by TS
Jim Lincoln wrote:
I was correcting an erroneous statement, which occur all too often with KJV supporters.
Jim;
We are not King James Version, "supporters"

We simply know to receive the Word of God, King James Version....

As opposed to the modern versions which are corrupted by heretic Anglican Liberals namely Westcott and Hort.

Better the version used by God for four centuries than modern versions like the NASB/NIV which no longer contain the comprehensive truth within.

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News Item3/9/12 2:50 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I was correcting an erroneous statement, which occur all too often with KJV supporters. The only thing that could even be considered "bashing," was the truth about, [URL=http://web.archive.org/web/20071012194730/faith.propadeutic.com/conclusions.html]]]Comparing Bible Translations--Conclusions[/URL] which states what should be obvious to anyone.
Ankerberg and Weldon wrote:
Remember that it was the KJV translators themselves who stated in their original preface that the very purpose of their translation was to provide God’s Word in a readable and understandable fashion. They recognized and accepted the translation work that had been done before them. So then how can anyone logically argue that they would object to modern translations being done today for the same purpose?
from [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/practical-christianity/PC0803W2.htm]]]The Conflict Over Different Bible Versions - Part 9[/URL]
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News Item3/9/12 1:19 AM
James | Louisianna  Find all comments by James
Captain quote and his KJV bashing is back...do you ever quit? I have never seen someone so hostile toward the KJV, oh except the Jesuits. Careful not too much zeal, your colors are showing.
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News Item3/8/12 2:21 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
The Pilgrims didn't use the faulty AV, but the much superior [URL=http://theologytoday.ptsem.edu/oct1960/v17-3-article6.htm]]]The Geneva Bible Of 1560[/URL] an excerpt from this,
Bruce M. Metzger wrote:
In England the Geneva Bible was the version used by Shakespeare, by John Bunyan, by the men of Cromwell's army, and was brought to America by the Pilgrims and other early settlers, many of whom would have nothing to do with the more "modern" King James version of 1611. (It is significant that until as late as 1644 the Geneva Bible continued to be printed-testifying both to its popularity and, indirectly, to the suspicion with which some regarded the King James version.) Its pervasive influence may be seen in the curious fact that even the Preface to the Reader in the King James Bible contains a quotation (from I Cor. 14: 11) which agrees, not with the rendering of the King James version, but with the Geneva version.
Thankfully we now modern versions better than both, [URL=http://web.archive.org/web/20071012194730/faith.propadeutic.com/conclusions.html]]]Comparing Bible Translations--Conclusions[/URL].
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News Item3/8/12 1:19 AM
James | Louisianna  Find all comments by James
Why seek ye the living among the dead?
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News Item3/7/12 3:44 PM
Obser7  Find all comments by Obser7
Of the Vatican and the misguided masses who follow this evil deceiver.

Isaiah 44:9 They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed.
10 Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing?

Hab 2:18 What profiteth the graven image that the maker thereof hath graven it; the molten image, and a teacher of lies, that the maker of his work trusteth therein, to make dumb idols?
19 Woe unto him that saith to the wood, Awake; to the dumb stone, Arise, it shall teach! Behold, it is laid over with gold and silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it.

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News Item3/7/12 2:13 PM
In Memory  Find all comments by In Memory
The gold-standard English Protestant translation is the A.D. 1611 AV including 46 OT and 27 NT books, all "Appointed to be read in churches."

All of these books were guarded with the Pilgrims' lives as they crossed the Atlantic and settled on America's shores. They were even comforted by all 73 books as they witnessed the death of 45 of their loved ones that first harrowing winter.

Would that a modern evangelical frustrate this 1,619 year old [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synod_of_Hippo]]]canon[/URL]?

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News Item3/7/12 2:01 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
They are going to have to put all the material on tour, e.g., show it in Lincoln, before I can get very excited. You not only have to be a history buff, which I am, but knowledgeable and several foreign languages, which I'm not to make this material very exciting. But, I'm glad it's out there. Perhaps the Catholic Church can read some of the manuscripts they own and come out with something better than [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/_PDFArchives/roman-catholicism/RC1W0900.pdf]]]The Roman Catholic Bible[/URL] that they presently have.
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