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Choice News FRIDAY, JUL 29, 2011  |  27 comments
Modern Youth Ministry a '50-Year Failed Experiment,' Say Pastors
A group of pastors and former youth ministry leaders suggest that today’s youth ministries should be disbanded, calling the common practice of separating congregations by age for worship and Bible study "unbiblical."

The church leaders state their case in the documentary film, ‚ÄúDivided: Is Age-Segregated Ministry Multiplying or Dividing the Church?‚ÄĚ

The film is produced by the National Center for Family Integrated Churches in association with LeClerc Brothers Motion Pictures. The producers released the documentary earlier this month online, and have made it available for free until Sept. 15. ...


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News Item8/10/11 2:49 AM
savedbygrace | Harrisburg, PA  Find all comments by savedbygrace
D, agreed!
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News Item8/5/11 1:30 PM
D | Mid Atlantic  Find all comments by D
jpw has it exactly right
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News Item8/3/11 2:30 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
"Spare the rod, spoil the child." But that is a very close paraphrase to,

Proverbs 13
24 He who spares his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him diligently.---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]

My earthly father was very fortunate, that my brother and I were intelligent enough that I doubt we had to be physically disciplined once our twice, and that was early on. I know he was the type of man who loathed to that. One has to feel sorry for parents with dull or rebellious children. So, no, children have to be taught respect and self-discipline at an early age.

Michael, children and youth ministry when overseen correctly is a fun time for children, but still a learning time. I know there have been children that have come to Christ during their times in the IHCC youth ministry, that being said--it is not even a pastor's top duty to oversee the children's upbringing. It's the parents duty.

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News Item8/3/11 12:06 PM
Carlos | Albuquerque  Find all comments by Carlos
There are so many different angles to take this issue from, one of which is the fact thst many youth coming into the church have never been exposed to any teachings & are newly saved. These teens need to learn the fundamentals of Christianity or they may get confused by the deeper truths of the gospel. On the other hand their are those teens who were raised in the church and are spiritualy exceptional due to years of exposure to the truth. These are a view points that need to be taken into consideration when looking into the influences of youth ministries. I personally have seen thousands of teens getting saved and becoming invovled over the past five or so years and I believe this is due in full the outpouring of the Holy Ghost in these last days.
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News Item8/2/11 11:40 AM
Not too cool  Find all comments by Not too cool
Pastor Alistair Begg's bulletin indicates that young children are not welcome in his worship service so that his recording is flawless.

This is upside-down in light of Jesus' teachings about children.

Why did we let our sound systems overturn biblical truth?

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News Item8/2/11 5:32 AM
Kyle | Connecticut  Find all comments by Kyle
Suffer the little children...as long as they keep it down. Is that about right, Jim?
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News Item8/1/11 2:03 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Michael while I'm not personally hostile to the Boy Scouts --I never was one-- and consider they do some good things, my church doesn't have them. It has such organizations as Awana, q.v., [URL=http://ihcc.org/ministries/childrens-ministries]]]Children's Ministries[/URL] etc. The parents seem to be quite active in them.

Nothing human is perfect. Too bad Neil from Tucson isn't around much anymore. He almost always gave intelligent thought-out comments, even if I didn't agree with him at times, such as if children should be attending adult services. I think they would probably get more out of children's ministries, but if parents can guarantee they can can keep quiet for an hour or so, and the parents don't mind answering questions they weren't planning to answer years later, on occasion, I wouldn't have any problem with children sitting in adult services. They would be taught patience and perseverance, anyway.

So children attending adult services is certainly no panacea to Christian upbringing, and even having dutiful, watchful Christian parents, doesn't mean a child is protected all the time from bad influences, especially the ones that inbuilt into sinful man.

But yes, better to have good parents than bad ones, that's for certain.

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News Item7/31/11 5:36 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Youth ministries a highly successful experiment
from, [URL=http://www.ihcc.org/about-us/history]]]History of Indian Hills Community Church[/URL] Many people have come to IHCC for its excellent youth ministries.
Jim
I've never visited your church, only briefly looked at your alls website.

That said what I would term "Modern Youth Ministry" or "Modern Youth Group" can be often be entirely different from having a high school Sunday School Class, Evangelistic Bible Studies or trips for teenagers.

It is in separating the (quote) youth causing them to be [URL=http://dividedthemovie.com/]]]Divided[/URL] into a worldly, carnal, seeker sensitive, ecumenical, emergent sub-culture from genuine Biblical Christianity, their parents and their churches, with their own special clergy, buildings, music, etc. etc. that IMHO Christians, especially parents ought to find offensive.

Now if your church isn't there be genuinely thankful AND become educated to what is going on in bringing the world (and the devil) into YOUTH MINISTRY and guard your young people OR don't be surprised despite good intentions and how things seem to be going okay now to wake up and find it came right into your church like a cancerous tumor.

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News Item7/31/11 3:20 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Youth ministries a highly successful experiment

wasn't me who wrote:
1972

As men and women grew in the Lord, they developed new ministries, like Boys Brigade and Pioneer Girls, which ministered to boys and girls in grade school. Over the years, these ministries expanded and grew and currently meet as Boys of Faith and Girls of Grace.

As God added to the church, the number of college-aged men and women increased. They loved to hang out together, gladly served in the church and frequently raked leaves and shoveled snow for sick and elderly members. The elders had been praying about forming a ministry for young adults and the first college/career night was held at the church with Gil Rugh teaching on the roles of men and women. The ministry flourished and became known as Young Adult Fellowship, then Lamb, Single Life, Young Professionals, College and Career Fellowship, and is now known as Alpha Omega.

from, [URL=http://www.ihcc.org/about-us/history]]]History of Indian Hills Community Church[/URL] Many people have come to IHCC for its excellent youth ministries.
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News Item7/30/11 9:12 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
not only were children there with Jesus (presumably with their mothers as was normal) but........

"there is a lad here....." John 6:9,
it was a little boy who provided the food that Jesus would multiply.

the disciples tried to separate the children, and Jesus rebuked them, "let the little children come to me, and do not forbid them, for such is the kingdom of heaven."

someone came along and told the moms that having the children around was inconvenient. the moms then went to work to get away from the slavery of motherhood, only later to find that they could no longer go back home and pay the bills. then churches who never knew any different, being born into the culture, invested in paper street to make sure they remained separated from their children until death.

and so the children were separated from their mothers at schools where they were taught that their lives were an accident (which is what evolution is time + chance), then sent to after school progrmas to "fellowship", brought home to eat, go back to sleep and then on weekends go to a church where they are separated again.

and then the churches cried out in wonder why they weren't influencing the culture anymore. I am not against S.S or youth group, but encouraged by the article.

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News Item7/30/11 6:57 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Alan H wrote:
Thanks Michael,
I have added it to my favorites so I can download and listen to it. I have a slow land line so need to go to library to download anything too big.
I have seen a number of young people's lifes ruined by poorly supervised gender associations while participating within a youth group.
Alan H
You are more than welcome. They are certainly a blessing to me.
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News Item7/30/11 2:05 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Alan H wrote:
Where were all the kiddies during the Sermon on the Mount? Or the feeding of the thousands?
By the way, interesting comments Carlos!

Well, Alan, let's hope they were at home tending to the animals, like all responsible children should be doing or perhaps if they were there they were taking their afternoon naps?

Act 20
9 And there was a certain young man named Eutychus sitting on the window sill, sinking into a deep sleep; and as Paul kept on talking, he was overcome by sleep and fell down from the third floor, and was picked up dead.
10 But Paul went down and fell upon him and after embracing him, he said, "Do not be troubled, for his life is in him."
11 And when he had gone back up, and had broken the bread and eaten, he talked with them a long while, until daybreak, and so departed.---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]

Now Gil Rugh's sermons, q.v., [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/source_detail.asp?sourceid=soundwords]]]Recent sermons[/URL] aren't that long, but I guarantee you, that mainline church attendees who stumble into IHCC who aren't use to hearing the Word at all, and for over 40 minutes--are in for a rude awakening.

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News Item7/30/11 1:27 PM
Alan H | Washington State  Protected NameFind all comments by Alan H
Michael Hranek wrote:
Alan H
Voddie Bauchman (who is in the movied [URL=http://dividedthemovie.com/]]]Divided[/URL] ) has an excellent sermon here on SermonAudio titled: [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=415111310574]]]Youth Ministry[/URL]
Thanks Michael,

I have added it to my favorites so I can download and listen to it. I have a slow land line so need to go to library to download anything too big.

I have seen a number of young people's lifes ruined by poorly supervised gender associations while participating within a youth group.

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News Item7/30/11 12:17 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Ferdlan wrote:
Perhaps they were with their "believing" parents which is the point I think you make.
However the question is where were the children of non-believing parents?
And in society today if the church does not undertake some form of out-reach to children, where can children of non believers go to learn Bible, should the Lord lead them thus?
Ferdlan
Having seen (quote) Modern Youth Ministry up close and ugly I have to think essentially there isn't an (quote) out-reach of Biblical Christianity and a Biblical (that would be none cursed false gospel) to (again quote) believing yet alone non-believing youth.

Entertainment - Yes
Fun and Games - Yes
Way Cool Tee Shirts and Stuff - Yup
Music snd Concerts with celebrities that IMITATE and Please the worldly minded and carnal - That's the Stuff
Bible Stories and Talks - Marginal
Serious Times of Prayer and Intercession (including broken hearted confession of sin) - You've got to be kidding
And let's not forget ask Jesus (whovever you would like to make Him out to be) into your hearts - So you can go around telling yourself and people you're saved and on your way to heaven no matter how much you live like the devil and hell BECAUSE you've said "the prayer"

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News Item7/30/11 11:41 AM
Ferdlan  Find all comments by Ferdlan
Alan H wrote:
Where were all the kiddies during the Sermon on the Mount? Or the feeding of the thousands?
Perhaps they were with their "believing" parents which is the point I think you make.

However the question is where were the children of non-believing parents?

And in society today if the church does not undertake some form of out-reach to children, where can children of non believers go to learn Bible, should the Lord lead them thus?

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News Item7/30/11 10:53 AM
Lady_Virtue | OKC  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lady_Virtue
Nicole Drew wrote:
One of the things that frustrated me most as a teenager was the attitude of many adults in my (former) church that treated the teenagers as if we were incapable of understanding deep spiritual truth and making important, life-changing decisions. I remember being so hungry for truth as even a young teenager, and being frustrated when all I got was Bible stories or a superficial lesson on "teen issues."
I believe a large part of the reason that today I am about to graduate from Bible college and have a desire to serve the Lord with my life is that my parents saw my frustration, pulled me out of the youth group, and took me with them to the adult classes for Sunday School and Wednesday night prayer meeting! When I made that change, the adults of the church took me much more seriously, and I was able to serve in ways that I wasn't able to before!
Teenagers need to hear "thus saith the Lord" just as much as the adults do. Being with the adults also gives teens and parents the opportunity to grow spiritually together and develop their relationship in a deeper way as they discuss truth together!
Thank you for sharing your testimony. It appears that God has blessed you with a wisdom well beyond your years.
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News Item7/30/11 9:08 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Dan wrote:
See an informative (and not at all favorable) review at http://www.challies.com/dvd-reviews/divided-the-movie
Dan TN

You are correct Tim Challies review was not favorable of the movie Divided.

BUT having often encountered (quote) Modern Youth Ministry with all its carnal, worldly, enourmous emphasis on fun and entertainment with a big price tag to do so not to mention how it oftens dishonors parents I have to think Challies' review is quite amiss.

[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=115092259455]]]The Background of the Shocking Youth Message[/URL] gives a telling review if you will of present day Youth Ministry that we all would do well to take to heart and keep in mind, knowing there are a whole lot of people with huge vested interests in keeping their good thing going in [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=415111310574]]]Youth Ministry[/URL]

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News Item7/30/11 8:06 AM
Dan | Tennessee  Find all comments by Dan
See an informative (and not at all favorable) review at http://www.challies.com/dvd-reviews/divided-the-movie
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News Item7/30/11 5:08 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Alan H wrote:
Rick & Nicole,
Excellent points!
Amen! and Amen!

Alan H
Voddie Bauchman (who is in the movied [URL=http://dividedthemovie.com/]]]Divided[/URL] ) has an excellent sermon here on SermonAudio titled: [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=415111310574]]]Youth Ministry[/URL]

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News Item7/30/11 1:28 AM
Alan H | Washington State  Protected NameFind all comments by Alan H
Rick & Nicole,

Excellent points!

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