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MONDAY, JUN 13, 2011  |  58 comments  |  1 commentary
Southern Baptists face decline
Baptisms fell to their lowest number in 60 years among Southern Baptists, the nation's largest Protestant denomination.

The new numbers are a sign that the denomination is in trouble, Baptist leaders say.

"This is not a blip," said Ed Stetzer, president of LifeWay. "This is a trend. And the trend is one of decline."


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News Item6/20/11 9:41 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
Not That ALL "RELIGIOUS"-JEWS Are So Innocent, Holy Or Righteous--

Like THESE Talmudic/Hasidic ORTHODOX "RABBIS" & THEIR ADHERANTS:

#1."Rabbi" Avrohom MONDROWITZ

#2. " Moshe NUSSBOIM

#3. " Nechemya WEBERMAN

#4. " Avrohom REICHMAN

#5. " Israel WEINGARTEN

#6. " Baruch LEBOVITZ

#7. " Stanley Z. LEVITT

#8. " Bryan BRAMLEY

#9. " Yehuda KOLKO

[CONTINUED]

#2.NUSSBOIM: IS CURRENTLY ON TRIAL BEHIND CLOSED DOORS IN JERUSALEM, ACCUSED OF SEXUALLY ABUSING 3 BOYS IN HIS SCHOOL BETWEEN THE YEARS 2002 TO 2008.
--The Jerusalem Post-Sexual Abuse Case Sheds Light On Emmanuel's Ethnic Tensions

#3.WEBERMAN: A PROMINENT BROOKLYN RABBI, WAS CHARGED IN 2001 WITH MOLESTING A 12 YR.-OLD GIRL OVER THREE YEARS. HE WAS CHARGED WITH A CRIMINAL SEX ACT, RAPE, ENDANGERING THE WELFARE OF A CHILD AND SEXUAL ABUSE.

#4.REICHMAN: WAS TEMPORARILY REMOVED AS PRINCIPAL OF A BROOKLYN YESHIVA AFTER BEING ACCUSED OF SEXUALLY ABUSING A STUDENT. THE VICTIM WAS PRESSURED BY ALL HIS RELIGIOUS LEADERS TO BE QUIET ABOUT THE INCIDENTS.

#5.WEINGARTEN: WAS FOUND GUILTY OF MOLESTING HIS DAUGHTER OVER A 7-YEAR PERIOD BY A BROOKLYN FEDERAL COURT IN 2009.

#6.LOBOVITS: WAS CONVICTED OF REPEATEDLY SEXUALLY ABUSING A 16 YR.-OLD CLASSMATE OF HIS SON. A BROOKLYN JURY FOUND HIM GUILTY... " !

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News Item6/18/11 12:12 AM
CV  Find all comments by CV
Street-Preacher wrote:
The Same Goes For "e.v..."
Did Anyone Read "e.v's..." Devil/Demon-Spirit Filled Drivel That He/She Posted On The Thread For The Article "Failed Judgement Day Preacher Hospitalized With Stroke" ?
Sermonaudio Took That Wicked Comment Down; But The Way "e.v..." Used The Word "Liberal", You Would've Thought That "e.v..." Was A Nazi, Hitler-Youth Or Death-Camp Guard During WWII !
Whew Tony, that "e.v" was "E.V.rebody". Nevertheless, some here will swear that they can find all that in my posts as well.

I go right to the core point. Most ramp up to it. But once there, they're far worse then me.
(I was going to say same as E.V.rebody, punn intended).

Everybody stands passionately for somethings. Just that in the meantime next to me, they don't want to think they do. That's righteousness. There are mature Christians here whose reprove and rebuke caries Christs imprimatur.

I must press on:
Against deception and apostasy - no compromise. No fuzzy wuzzy side distractions.

Amongst Christiabs
A clear understanding and rational discussion to get at Gods truth. No Compromise

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News Item6/17/11 12:12 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
The Work Of Southern Baptists' Evangelization Of ORTHODOX-JEWS Is VERY COMMENDABLE.

I Personally Know A Former ORTHODOX-JEW, Pastor Barry Budoff, Who Was Lead To CHRIST By A Southern Baptist Conventioner & Soul-Winner.

Barry Used To Be Pastor/Chief-Elder Of "Adat Ha Tikva": A U.M.J.C. (UNION OF MESSIANIC JEWISH CONGREGATIONS) Messianic Synagogue In Chicago's North-Side JEWISH Rogers-Park Neighborhood.

Rogers-Park Is Home To One Of Chicago's MOST ARDENT ORTHODOX-"RELIGIOUS"-JEWISH COMMUNITIES.

Not That ALL "RELIGIOUS"-JEWS Are So Innocent, Holy Or Righteous--

Especially Some Talmudic/Hasidic ORTHODOX "RABBIS" & THEIR ADHERANTS:

#1."Rabbi" Avrohom MONDROWITZ

#2. " Moshe NUSSBOIM

#3. " Nechemya WEBERMAN

#4. " Avrohom REICHMAN

#5. " Israel WEINGARTEN

#6. " Baruch LEBOVITZ

#7. " Stanley Z. LEVITT

#8. " Bryan BRAMLEY

#9. " Yehuda KOLKO

[CONTINUED]

#2.NUSSBOIM: IS CURRENTLY ON TRIAL BEHIND CLOSED DOORS IN JERUSALEM, ACCUSED OF SEXUALLY ABUSING 3 BOYS IN HIS SCHOOL BETWEEN THE YEARS 2002 TO 2008.
--The Jerusalem Post-Sexual Abuse Case Sheds Light On Emmanuel's Ethnic Tensions

#3.WEBERMAN: A PROMINENT BROOKLYN RABBI, WAS CHARGED IN 2001 WITH MOLESTING A 12 YR.-OLD GIRL OVER THREE YEARS. HE WAS CHARGED WITH A CRIMINAL SEX ACT...RAPE..." !

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News Item6/16/11 5:24 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
The Same Goes For "e.v..."

Did Anyone Read "e.v's..." Devil/Demon-Spirit Filled Drivel That He/She Posted On The Thread For The Article "Failed Judgement Day Preacher Hospitalized With Stroke" ?

Sermonaudio Took That Wicked Comment Down; But The Way "e.v..." Used The Word "Liberal", You Would've Thought That "e.v..." Was A Nazi, Hitler-Youth Or Death-Camp Guard During WWII !

It's Just Mind-Boggling How The SATANIC, LUCIFERIAN & FREEMASONIC ILLUMINATI Uses EVIL "RACIAL-'JEWS' "; To Destroy The Innocent & Un-Politically-Involved GENERAL-POPULATION "RACIAL &-Or RELIGIOUS-'JEWS' ": It's Just DISGUSTING The Things They DO & Plan To DO To THEM In THE FUTURE !

Not That ALL "RELIGIOUS"-JEWS Are So Innocent, Holy Or Righteous--Especially Some Talmudic/Hasidic ORTHODOX "RABBIS" & THEIR ADHERANTS:

#1."Rabbi" Avrohom MONDROWITZ

#2. " Moshe NUSSBOIM

#3. " Nechemya WEBERMAN

#4. " Avrohom REICHMAN

#5. " Israel WEINGARTEN

#6. " Baruch LEBOVITZ

#7. " Stanley Z. LEVITT

#8. " Bryan BRAMLEY

#9. " Yehuda KOLKO

*#1.MONDROWITZ: ONE OF MANY INDICTED ON CHARGES OF SEXUAL ABUSE; 5-COUNT INDICTMENT BASED ON OVER 100 VICTIMS !--Haaretz.com-NY High Court Takes On Orthodox [Jewish] Sexual Abuse Scandal

#2.NUSSBOIM: IS CURRENTLY ON TRIAL BEHIND CLOSED DOORS... ! ! !

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News Item6/16/11 12:50 PM
CV  Find all comments by CV
"truthful witness" seems to have an arsenal of false biblical knowledge on and around the issue of anti-Jews and anti-Israel. Outside of this, his bible knowledge drops to zero in a hurry.
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News Item6/16/11 12:08 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
So *"truthful witness" Is A Jezebelic-Spirit-Possessed LIAR
TOO (Ala *"e.v.erybody") ?:

As, Historically,"Dispensationalism" Was NEVER Birthed By J.N.Darby.

Dispensationalism Is A System Of Biblical Interpretation, Historic Judaic & Judeo-Christian Theology That Wasn't Only Believed/Taught By The Apostles & CHRIST JESUS HIMSELF; But, Was ALSO Taught/Promulgated By Pre/Post Nicene Orthodox Judeo-Christianity:

#1.The Hebrew Sages Before The Time Of CHRIST Believed There Would Be TWO (2) Messiahs:

a.A Suffering-Servant Messiah &

b.A Conquering-Warrior Messiah.

This DUO View Of TWO Messiahs Was An Outgrowth Of
Pre-New Testament Jewish Rabbinic Interpretation Known As
Pre-Judeo-Christian DISPENSATIONALISM !

#2.The ORTHODOX SYRIAN CHRISTIANS Of THE 1st-4th CENTURY Believed In A Pre-Tribulation/Millenial DISPENSATIONAL "RAPTURE" OF THE SAINTS:

"FOR ALL THE SAINTS & ELECT OF GOD ARE GATHERED, PRIOR TO THE TRIBULATION THAT IS TO COME, AND ARE TAKEN TO THE LORD LEST THEY SEE THE CONFUSION THAT IS TO COME UPON THE WORLD BECAUSE OF OUR SINS." EPHREM 2;9 (WRITTEN: 300s AD) !

THE HISTORIC FACTS ARE RECORDED & EVIDENT !

***As Per "tw", "e.v..." & etc.:

"Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not..." Titus 1:11

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News Item6/15/11 8:39 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
I wouldn't go all the way to "great discernment", John, but I have been blessed with a great memory of certain things.
Actually, I enjoyed Cheryl's comments even though there was much of her belief system which I disagreed with... especially when she went off on a conspiracy theory tangent. A very eloquent and prolific writer and, if I'm correct, I hope she continues to contribute to these threads.
Sure thing Lurker. It would be good to see old friends making an appearance again. I miss them all, even JD.
Now I really must get off to work.
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News Item6/15/11 8:25 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
Wow bro, you must have great discernment to recognise her style of writing. Does this foretell a return also of Engineer and JD and Michegan Walt.
I wouldn't go all the way to "great discernment", John. Cheryl's writing style and belief system is hard to forget.

Actually, I enjoyed Cheryl's comments even though there was much of her belief system which I disagreed with... especially when she went off on a conspiracy theory tangent. A very eloquent and prolific writer and, if I'm correct, I hope she continues to contribute to these threads.

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News Item6/15/11 8:06 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
That too.
Wow bro, you must have great discernment to recognise her style of writing. Does this foretell a return also of Engineer and JD and Michegan Walt.
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News Item6/15/11 7:59 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
Cheryl???
She of the KJO camp???
That too.
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News Item6/15/11 4:54 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Looks like Original Cheryl (truthful witness) had paid SermonAudio a visit.
Cheryl???

She of the KJO camp???
_________________________

truthful witness quoting Stanley wrote:
"Even if a believer for all practical purposes becomes an unbeliever, his salvation is not in jeopardy."
The key word here is "believer". If you take "believer" to mean one of God's elect, chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, and in God's sight eternally justified, in time born again of God's Spirit, redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, then the statement is quite true, as a believer cannot lose that which God had given him.

But if "believer" could mean "professing believer", then that would be different. A professing believer who later became an unbeliever can be likened to Demas in the NT who returned to the world just like a pig returns to its wallowing in the mire. Not saved - not ever saved.

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News Item6/14/11 10:27 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Looks like Original Cheryl (truthful witness) had paid SermonAudio a visit.
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News Item6/14/11 7:50 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
As I've Said In Another Thread, This So-Called *"truthful witness" Is A SATANIC LIAR !; As, Historically, "Dispensationalism" Was Never Birthed By J.N. Darby.

Dispensationalism Is A System Of Biblical Interpretation & Historic Judaic & Judeo-Christian Theology That Was Not Only Believed & Taught By The Apostles & CHRIST JESUS HIMSELF; But, Was Also Taught & Promulgated By Pre & Post Nicene Orthodox Judeo-Christianity:

#1.The Hebrew Sages Before The Time Of Christ Believed That There Would Be "Two" Messiahs:

a)A Suffering Servant Messiah &

b)A Conquering & Warring Messiah.

This "Duo" View Of "Two" Messiah's Was An Outgrowth Of Pre-New Testament Jewish Rabbinic Interpretation Known As Pre-Judeo-Christian DISPENSATIONALISM !

#2.The Orthodox Syrian Christian Of The 1st-4th Century Believed In A Pre-Tribulation/Millenial DISPENSATIONAL "RAPTURE" OF THE SAINTS:

"FOR ALL THE SAINTS & ELECT OF GOD ARE GATHERED, PRIOR TO THE TRIBULATION THAT IS TO COME, AND ARE TAKEN TO THE LORD LEST THEY SEE THE CONFUSION THAT IS TO COME UPON THE WORLD BECAUSE OF OUR SINS." EPHREM 2;9 (WRITTEN IN THE 300s AD) !

THE HISTORIC FACTS ARE RECORDED & EVIDENT !

*As Per "tw":

"Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not..." Titus 1:11

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News Item6/14/11 7:23 PM
CV  Find all comments by CV
Hello Tony

Why are denominations treated as if they ARE the Church. No denomination is THE CHURCH.

SBC however, has done a better job of warding off liberal apostasy. I pray SBC stands strong.

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News Item6/14/11 7:08 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
As I've Mentioned In Another Thread, This So-Called "truthful witness" Is Nothing But A SATANIC LIAR ! ; As, Historically, "Dispensationalism" Was Never Birthed By J.N. Darby.

Dispensationalism Is A System Of Biblical Interpretation & Historic Judaic & Judeo-Christian Theology That Was Not Only Believed & Taught By The Apostles & CHRIST JESUS HIMSELF; But, Was Also Taught & Promulgated By Pre & Post Nicene Orthodox Judeo-Christianity:

#1.The Hebrew Sages Before The Time Of Christ Believed That There Would Be "Two" Messiahs: a)A Suffering Servant Messiah & b)A Conquering & Warring Messiah.

This "Duo" View Of "Two" Messiah's Was An Outgrowth Of Pre-New Testament Jewish Rabbinic Interpretation Known As Pre-Judeo-Christian DISPENSATIONALISM !

#2.The Orthodox Syrian Christian Of The 1st-4th Century Believed In A Pre-Tribulation/Millenial DISPENSATIONAL "RAPTURE" OF THE SAINTS:

"FOR ALL THE SAINTS & ELECT OF GOD ARE GATHERED, PRIOR TO THE TRIBULATION THAT IS TO COME, AND ARE TAKEN TO THE LORD LEST THEY SEE THE CONFUSION THAT IS TO COME UPON THE WORLD BECAUSE OF OUR SINS." EPHREM 2;9 (WRITTEN IN THE 300s AD) ! ! !

THE HISTORIC FACTS ARE RECORDED & EVIDENT ! ! ! ! ! ! !

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News Item6/14/11 7:01 PM
CV  Find all comments by CV
watching wrote:
On the contrary, to whom much is given, much is required
Then CS views would mean the demise of CS. SBC is experiencing something different.

Cutting and posting stuff on Stanley from other sites seems impressive but hardly deals with SBC. Much of that from sites that oppose eternal security. SBC fell because it believes in eternal security?

jpw wrote:
The follower of Christ does not mean to stronghold the world
If you go around forcing people to confess Christ, that would be foolish. But for someone who claims to be a Christian while slipping in free passes for Islam, why is it so bad to go right to the heart of the matter. Within a few posts, the fact of that claim was firmly established. I don't gloss over deception, while wishy washy prophesy is used to sell Islam. What was that tribe that fooled Joshua? Read Jer 41:7
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News Item6/14/11 6:47 PM
watching  Find all comments by watching
Deuteronomy 27:11-26
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News Item6/14/11 6:30 PM
CIA  Contact via emailFind all comments by CIA
"Global fertility rates are in general decline and this trend is most pronounced in industrialized countries, especially Western Europe, where populations are projected to decline dramatically over the next 50 years."

-Central Intelligence Agency, "[URL=https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html]]]THE WORLD FACTBOOK[/URL]"

Since the SBC resides in an industrialized country and unless impacted by another force, won't its number of baptisms also "decline dramatically over the next 50 years"?

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News Item6/14/11 6:25 PM
watching  Find all comments by watching
CV wrote:
Dr Stanley was Prez from 1984 to 1986. Hardly a reason for the significant demise attributed to him.
On the contrary, to whom much is given, much is required and to have once embraced the privilege of the Reformed faith and to either by #1 ignorance backslide from Christ the Way or #2 covetousness which is idolatry be torn in allegiance to Christ who is the Life or #3 with a knowledgeable hatred of the Truth who Christ is and those who love Him, are all serious steps of defection to be avoided at all costs; because in the end they can very well end in apostasy.

Denominations are not a good thing, they are the fruit of division and schism, show me one place in the word of God that says this.

I have encountered something promoted on-line that greatly concerns me as regards Messianic Judaizers who are suspicious at best and dangerous at the worst. It appears they are Judaizing Christianity and not Christianizing Judaism if you understand what I mean. They had much truth but made dangerous changes with the Talmud and they have infiltrated the Reformed Church.

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News Item6/14/11 5:37 PM
CV  Find all comments by CV
watching wrote:
Charles Stanley is from the SBC? If so he didn't start there; surprise, surprise.
Dr Stanley was Prez from 1984 to 1986. Hardly a reason for the significant demise attributed to him.

But it took something to to bring someone going from endless Jew hating prophecies to discussing SBC.

All denominations have some historical baggage. Denominations are good, but are not "THE CHURCH", and above reproach.

SBC would certainly NOT have been saved had it adopted the works righteousness of "license to sin" that is advocated here. Works righteousness would have a problem with grace and eternal security

Also, once you establish the credibility (or the lack thereof) of someone who can throw misquotes (vis Yeshu ...), then you have to be mindful that maybe they can misquote anyone to push a point.

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