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MONDAY, JUN 6, 2011  |  60 comments
Can one be Jewish and Christian?
There are a number of non-Jews in the Saturday morning Torah study which I lead at Chicago Sinai Congregation. This is not a big surprise. Reform congregations increasingly serve non-Jews, whether they are the partners of Jews or simply fellow travelers. We are a synagogue. We teach, practice, believe, and value Judaism. Anyone is welcome to do this with us.

What was a surprise was Moe. When she joined the class, she introduced herself as a Christian with a strong interest in Judaism. A few months later, she told me that she had decided that she was both Christian and Jewish. I pointed out to her that there is a basic contradiction in her statement: a Christian awaits the second coming of a definite messianic figure, while a Jew awaits the first coming of an unspecified messianic figure – or the coming of a messianic age.

Moe told me that didn’t bother her. She was happy to embrace the ...


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News Item6/20/11 4:38 PM
truthful witness  Find all comments by truthful witness
Jim Lincoln wrote:
At the end of the Tribulation, there will only be one kind of person left, be he Jew or Gentile, that is a believer in the Jewish Messiah. I would suggest..read the summary for Evidence for the Pre-Trib Rapture part 1 and part 2.. encouragement to listen to sermon, Israel & the Church are Different People
How 'bout you cut to the chase and give us one single scripture proof for an imminent rapture, more than one Second Coming?

As to believing in a Jewish messiah, I don't think God cares about the Jewish part. He cares more about the God part, as in "Emanuel" God with us, and "Jesus," meaning "Savior." Jesus was here long before the Jews ever existed and he is everybody's Messiah. None of the names for Jesus have anything to do with Jewish anything. Jesus died for the whole world, Muslims too. And Jewish believers are known as Christians. They are the ones whose name changes, not the name of Jesus for them.

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News Item6/19/11 3:16 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
At the end of the Tribulation, there will only be one kind of person left, be he Jew or Gentile, that is a believer in the Jewish Messiah as you gentlemen are. So, now does that answer your questions? If not I would hope the following sermons would be of help, though I would suggest at least read the summary for the following one, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=8110695312]]]Evidence for the Pre-Trib Rapture part 1[/URL] and [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=81106105150]]]Evidence for the Pre-Trib Rapture part 2[/URL].

By the way, I left several messages, the last one done is perhaps the best, though of course, it is really an encouragement to listen to sermon, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=625031196]]]Israel & the Church are Different People[/URL].

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News Item6/18/11 12:49 AM
truthful witness  Find all comments by truthful witness
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Evidence for Pre-Trib Rapture and some reading material, Eschatology, The Unscriptural Theologies Of Amillennialism And postmillennialism.
Romans 11
25 .. a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles has come in;
26 and thus all Israel will be saved;
27 "AND THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."
Jim, You have to harmonize. To do other is to mishandle the scriptures. Paul also says "Not all Israel is Israel," and talks of those who died in the wilderness.

A remnant of Jews will be saved,not every Jew alive during the Trib, just like a remnant of so-called Christians will be saved.

Jesus plainly said most people will go to Hell.

And Christian Zionism, Judaizing, is antichrist, condemned by Paul. We are to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves, not Zionist Neocons.

Also, premillenial doesn't mean belief in an imminent rapture. The church has always believed in resurrection at the Second Coming, as 1&2 Thes describe,ie WHEN Jesus comes to destroy the antichrist, and not before--at the LAST Trump, the dead will rise first, etc.

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News Item6/17/11 5:06 PM
EP  Find all comments by EP
Ah. the narrow Way. Jesus said: 'Salvation is of the Jews.' He was a Jew. As Zachariah prophesied the coming of John was fulfillment of OT prophesy, this his hearers recognized. The Lord said John was Elijah that was to come Luke 1:17 "And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers (Jewish apostles?)to the children, (Jewish converts?) and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; (Gentile's called) to make ready a people prepared for the Lord." Similar to what Malachi said in Chap.4:1-6

I expect the salvation of a greater number of Semitic peoples then heretofore; 'en masse' No, but a much greater number as the Lord will have opened up the gospel in the east to a larger extent to all peoples at the end of the sixth trumpet or second woe trumpet having toppled Islamic regimes then "drying up the Euphrates" by the sixth vial, giving these 'priests and kings' now Jews and Muslims converted to Christ, utterance to the heathen nations.

Any true doctrine should be able to be established by both the Old and New Testament Scriptures, as I believe this is, as I have been taught.

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News Item6/17/11 3:14 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Ah, John!
The only Jews who have been saved since the beginning the Church in the book of Acts are those who have become Christians.
Ah, Jim!
So until Acts, Jews were saved by grace, trusting in the Lord and in the sacrifices which prefigured the Lamb of God. Then, in the new covenant, they must be saved by grace, trusting in the Lord and in the final sacrifice of the Lamb itself, becoming Christian. And this salvation is open to them currently, but the majority reject Christ and are unbelievers in God's provision. And yet there are some converts, indicating that God's grace is still open to them as well as Gentiles. And yet, you say, that there is coming a time, before the end, when Jews who currently reject Christ, will seek salvation en masse, and they will all be saved? Is that what you say? And that the main passages for this are found in Romans?
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News Item6/17/11 2:56 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, John!
Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
Paul uses this expression: I do not want you to be uninformed The King James version says: I don't want you to be ignorant. To be without understanding. So, it's important that we realize and appreciate what God is doing with the Nation Israel. According to II Corinthians they have a veil over their hearts and do not grasp the truth of the Messiah. We live in a day primarily, of Gentile salvation, but after the rapture of the Church, the veil will be removed from Israel. God will deal with them they will be in the place of favor. They will be the object of His salvation work. And the veil of hardness will descend on the Gentiles.
summary from, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=81304113013]]]The Final Salvation of Israel[/URL] The only Jews who have been saved since the beginning the Church in the book of Acts are those who have become Christians.
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News Item6/15/11 5:16 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
John, you need to listen to...
...plenty of sermons by [URL=http://www.metropolitantabernacle.org/Sermons]]]Dr Peter Masters[/URL]

especially....
[URL=http://www.metropolitantabernacle.org/Audio-Video-CD-Rom?page=9]]]The Contrast of The Covenants[/URL]

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News Item6/15/11 2:58 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Oh, John UK, you need some edification! Da?
Da Iawn Jim. Perhaps you can edify me in this:

Romans 11:25-27 KJV
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Where it says "all Israel shall be saved", does that mean the nation of Israel after the "fulness of the Gentiles be come in"? What about the Israel between AD33 and then? Or were they all lost as unbelievers? Pauvre Israelis!

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News Item6/15/11 2:43 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Oh, John UK, you need some edification! Da?

[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=8110695312]]]Evidence for the Pre-Trib Rapture part 1[/URL] and [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=81106105150]]]Evidence for the Pre-Trib Rapture part 2[/URL] and some reading material, [URL=http://www.ihcc.org/misc_pdf/eschatology.pdf]]]Eschatology[/URL] and of course, [URL=http://www.raptureme.com/featured/ice/AmillennialismAndPostmillennialism.html]]]The Unscriptural Theologies Of Amillennialism And Postmillennialism[/URL].

Romans 11
25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery, lest you be wise in your own estimation, that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles has come in;
26 and thus all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
27 "AND THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]

John, you need to listen to the sermon, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=216111413240]]]The Mystery of Israel's Hardening[/URL].

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News Item6/15/11 4:57 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Nyet.
Excuse my ignorance of Americanisms Mike, but I don't really understand this word "nyet". I expect it has negative connotations, but I need some help here, like an elucidation.
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News Item6/14/11 7:02 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
So you are trying to convince people that not all the Jews are saved; in fact, that only a very small percentage of Jews are saved. It seems rather a bizarre belief system. It does not fit together from the OT to the NT. Besides which, a rapture is not biblical, nor saints being taken away from tribulation, nor a reign of Jesus Christ in political power from Jerusalem for 1000 years. It is all a fiction.
Nyet.
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News Item6/14/11 6:15 PM
TLC  Find all comments by TLC
Here's The REST Of The Story On [IR]REV. EUGENE KLEIN: A ROMAN-"CATHOLIC" PRIEST BY RELIGION & AN ASHKENAZI-"JEW" BY RACE !:

"[ROMAN] PRIEST CHARGED WITH RUNNING OUTFIT HIT MAN'S HUNT

Feds Say Eugene Klein Was Trying To Recover A Valuable Violin For Convicted Killer Frank Calabrese

By Steve Warmbir

[Continued]

" He (Klein) entered the Navy, later delivered Winnebagos, ran a bowling alley in Georgia, worked in Korea and Italy on slot machines on military installations, and toiled on a family peach farm before returning to the priesthood, his brother said.

Eugene Klein told everyone how satisfying his chaplain job was, even talking to church groups about it.

A person identifying himself as prison chaplain Eugene Klein wrote a website comment disputing a New York Daily News story in 2007 that portrayed the prison death of the mobster Gigante as lonely.

'It’s a special privilege I have working with each and every inmate in this institution — you never know the story unless you are actually HERE!' the comment reads. "--CHICAGO SUN-TIMES

WELL, SO MUCH FOR THE SATNIC-VATICANIST "JEWSUITS" & THEIR PERVERTED & U.S. CONSTITTUION & AMERICAN LAWLESS-LAWBREAKING PRIESTS !

BEWARE THE RACIAL "JEWS" WHO ARE VATICANIST PRIESTS ! ! !

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News Item6/14/11 5:06 PM
truthful witness  Find all comments by truthful witness
SteveR wrote:
Dispensationalists have been blinded for several decades now and this blindness must be for a reason.
Satan never sleeps in his efforts to erect the NWO. Dispensationalism was birthed from CI Scofield's silly footnotes, stolen from Darby, stolen from Irving, who got his ideas from a 16-year-old girl's visions in Scotland only 100 years ago, and were used to overturn plain scripture and 2000 years of Christian doctrine on the Second Coming.

Scofield was sponsored by Untermeyer and the Jewish socialists, his footnotes published by Oxford Publishing in England thanks to the Rothschild dynasty --

The Zionists knew Christians would block their plans to steal Palestine, so as usual with these people, money talks, and hence, we have the words of newbie convert (supposedly) CI Scofield, (who abandoned his wife and children, was imprisoned for embezzlement, a shameless scammer) -- whose footnoted words are now enshrined next to God's in so-called Scofield "study" Bibles.

Since then Scofieldism has been promoted in the Zionist funded, controlled and infiltrated seminaries, and the platform they provide to Judaizers and Christian Zionists monopolizes what passes for evangelical Christianity today.

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News Item6/14/11 5:02 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
So? In the Tribulation period all the Jews who survived will be saved, because they all will believe in the Messiah.
So you are trying to convince people that not all the Jews are saved; in fact, that only a very small percentage of Jews are saved. It seems rather a bizarre belief system. It does not fit together from the OT to the NT. Besides which, a rapture is not biblical, nor saints being taken away from tribulation, nor a reign of Jesus Christ in political power from Jerusalem for 1000 years. It is all a fiction.
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News Item6/14/11 4:12 PM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Dispensationalists have been blinded for several decades now and this blindness must be for a reason.

Let us all remember that the the entire Davidic Kingdom are witnesses to what the Church does and doesnt do, and nothing is hidden

Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

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News Item6/14/11 3:33 PM
truthful witness  Find all comments by truthful witness
Jim Lincoln wrote:
In the Tribulation all the Jews who survived will be saved, because they all will believe in the Messiah...Distinctives of Israel & the Church...there will be no church present at that time. God will be working with the Jews again.
This is Zionist Scofield fairy tales. It is not Biblical.

Rev. 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: (unbelieving Jews are now called saints?)

2:9..I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
10 .. behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: also 10 and 11 and 7:9, multitudes of Christian martyred in the Trib.

12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
17 And the dragon was wroth..and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

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News Item6/14/11 3:10 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
If anyone is saved, it is the mercy of God, not their national status.

A Jew's soul is saved like a Gentile's soul. There is no distinction.

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News Item6/14/11 3:07 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
So? In the Tribulation period all the Jews who survived will be saved, because they all will believe in the Messiah. One always has to realize [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=11306125524]]]Distinctives of Israel & the Church[/URL]. Of course there will be no church present at that time. God will be working with the Jews again.
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News Item6/14/11 2:56 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
National citizenship has nothing to do with salvation of the soul.

All need redemption. None can meet the requirements of the law--to love God entirely and love thy neighbor, without the work of the Holy Spirit, a gift only given through Christ.

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News Item6/14/11 2:31 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, Israel was only called Palestine with the Emperor Hadrian.
Elliot A. Green wrote:
The name "Palestine" cannot be divested of the negative overtones of its history, from the circumstances of its Roman official origin. It cannot be considered a "neutral, value free," purely "scientific" term, as some would have it (regardless of its use even by some Zionists). This is not only because of its current use as an anti-Israel slogan, but because of the context of its origin as a Roman official name. Felix Abel, the noted Catholic historian of the country, frankly states that the name change was "another indication of the anti-Jewish orientation of imperial policy."
from, [URL=http://focusonjerusalem.com/whatromecalledthepromisedland.html]]]The Name Rome Gave the Land of Israel[/URL] or if you don't recognize that name, perhaps you recognize Dr. Ice's name? [URL=http://www.raptureready.com/featured/ice/MythsAboutIsraelandPalestine.html]]]Myths About Israel and Palestine[/URL] and a sermon, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?sermonID=8406102220]]]What Will Become of Israel?[/URL]
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