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FRONT PAGE  |  11/30/2021
FRIDAY, APR 29, 2011  |  22 comments
Church Touts Homosexuality as a Gift, Not a Sin?
Being gay is a gift from God, asserts one church in Ohio.

That’s the message that Central United Methodist Church is spreading throughout their community via a digital billboard, launched on Monday.

This ‚Äúsimple statement,‚ÄĚ the church announced, is ‚Äúintended to be a gift to those who have experienced hurt and discrimination because of their real or perceived sexual orientation.‚ÄĚ


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News Item5/1/11 12:22 PM
Ruth | where God is well known  Find all comments by Ruth
Knowledge and truth wrote:
I would have thought it was obvious that the poster below was making a specific anti-Biblical point in his/her post. Their reason to vilify the Bible whilst promoting man's abominable lust.
/QUOTE]That was obvious, and I was grateful you responded.

But there was probably a reason why they choose to also introduce both slavery as sin and their conception of gender equality as righteous.

I assumed; possibly wrongly so, that it was related to the other posts and since I was posting, I was trying to follow the flow of everything being said. That is why I asked, if you thought that 1 Tim. 2:11 was related to men and woman posting their understanding of doctrine which they apply while discussing News stories. Often it seems doctrine takes the preeminence and the story a back seat. But is that surprising in the times in which we live, since doctrine is so relative?

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News Item5/1/11 12:00 PM
Knowledge and truth  Find all comments by Knowledge and truth
Ruth wrote:
You addressed homosexuality and women but were silent on slavery. God's Word addresses that too, Yes?
Do you think it sin for a woman to interact in this context then?
I would have thought it was obvious that the poster below was making a specific anti-Biblical point in his/her post. Their reason to vilify the Bible whilst promoting man's abominable lust.

As to slavery? The Bible version is clearly different to man's sinful application of it in history. But then that is what man usually does anyway, adding sin to all he does.

Your "woman to interact in this context" - What context? What is your point?

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News Item5/1/11 11:04 AM
Ruth | where God is well known  Find all comments by Ruth
knowledge and truth wrote:
The Bible is GOD's holy Word. GOD wrote the Bible.
Knowledge and truth,

You addressed homosexuality and women but were silent on slavery. God's Word addresses that too, Yes?

Do you think it sin for a woman to interact in this context then?

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News Item5/1/11 9:34 AM
knowledge and truth  Find all comments by knowledge and truth
KeG wrote:
Homosexuality is not a sin.
Slavery--now THAT's a sin.
Repressing the gifts of women and denying the call of God on their lives to ordained ministry
--those are sins.
Bible is unreliable guide on this matter.
GOD says
(homosexuality)
Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

GOD says
(Women)
1Tim 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

The Bible is GOD's holy Word. GOD wrote the Bible.

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News Item5/1/11 6:44 AM
KeG | N Tx  Find all comments by KeG
Homosexuality is not a sin.
Slavery--now THAT's a sin.
Repressing the gifts of women and denying the call of God on their lives to ordained ministry
--those are sins.
Bible is unreliable guide on this matter.
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News Item4/30/11 1:57 PM
CJW | Philippines  Find all comments by CJW
If homosexuality is a gift from God, why is it that when Israel did evil there were sodomites in the land, and when they obeyed God sodomites were removed?

1Kings 14:22a; 24a, "And Judah did evil in the sight of the Lord..." "And there were also sodomites in the land..."

1Kings 15:11-12a, "And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord, as did David his father. And he took away the sodomites out of the land..."

Such a grievous thing how those who claim the name of Christ trample It under their feet! May God have Mercy on their souls.

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News Item4/30/11 11:38 AM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
MAV, well, you got a good point there. My family repented of involvement with abortive contraceptions and also invovlement in industries that use aborted fetal cells to "make our children healthy".

Some look at these things as "issues" instead of seeing how we are immersed in a culture of death. Some think the Muslem has to rescind his faith to become a Christian but we can go along living like everyone eles in the Darwininan eugenic culture and come up smelling like roses!

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News Item4/30/11 10:40 AM
MAV  Contact via emailFind all comments by MAV
If repentance from sin (e.g., homosexuality, murder, etc.) is now part of the Evangelical Gospel (Faith Alone), then mustn't we first repent of our ubiquitous use of[URL=http://www.prolife.com/BIRTHCNT.html]]] abortifacient birth control[/URL]?

Isn't the use of an abortive contraceptive also a sin and not a gift?

Doesn't judgment always begin in the House of God?

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News Item4/30/11 8:53 AM
Ruth | where God is well known  Find all comments by Ruth
MAV wrote:
According to Dr. Martin Luther, isn't Faith Alone the Evangelical Gospel in a nutshell: "The article upon which the church stands or falls"?
Has this Gospel definition now changed to exclude certain sins (e.g., homosexuality, etc.)?
MAV,

I didn't think I heard anyone say that they believe otherwise. But to be justified would mean admitting that you have offended a Holy God and need to be justified in the courts of heaven, as well as a church court on earth,in the visible church or when stubborn men persist in open rebellion against their Creator a civil court judgment would be necessary lest they disrupt society.

If God has begun an effectual work in a sinner of any heaven defying crime, the sinner is drawn to the gospel and the Lord provides a knowledge of their sin, their substitute, and changes their will to embrace Jesus Chrsit freely offered in the gospel. Otherwise it is a merchandising in men's souls.

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News Item4/29/11 9:58 PM
MAV  Contact via emailFind all comments by MAV
According to Dr. Martin Luther, isn't Faith Alone the Evangelical Gospel in a nutshell: "The article upon which the church stands or falls"?

Has this Gospel definition now changed to exclude certain sins (e.g., homosexuality, etc.)?

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News Item4/29/11 2:48 PM
perception  Find all comments by perception
Off topic wrote:
How soon we are off topic, and turned to arguments.
The posts below are not off topic but do you have the ability to see how that is?

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Jude v7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

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News Item4/29/11 2:17 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=92807123612]]]The Bible Says Homosexuality is Sin[/URL]

But then the Methodist Church cares little about the Bible, like it's mother the AV it believes in Church tradition, and I would also add Church conferences. The Bible is the short leg on what is suppose to be a three-legged stool that this church sits on.

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News Item4/29/11 1:27 PM
Off topic | Strain at a Gnat Ville  Find all comments by Off topic
How soon we are off topic, and turned to arguments.
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News Item4/29/11 12:27 PM
Chilton  Find all comments by Chilton
Ruth wrote:
All people are under God's Creation mandate whether in or out of the visible church; as created beings under their Creator's Authority, which does not depend on man's approval or their acknowledging it or not.
Romans 1:17-25
Then why did you separate "believers" from "xxxxxx"??

_____________

Mike wrote:
Will not.
Arminian!!

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News Item4/29/11 12:17 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Chilton wrote:
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False "Christians" don't stop there! The action of this "church" is a sign of their unsaved estate. Therefore they are under the dominion of sin and Satan. They cannot obey the Law of God.
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Will not.
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News Item4/29/11 12:07 PM
Ruth | where God is well known  Find all comments by Ruth
Chilton wrote:
The Bible is not split up into sections for reprobates and sections for believers.
The Word of God is one for all people.
All people are under God's Creation mandate whether in or out of the visible church; as created beings under their Creator's Authority, which does not depend on man's approval or their acknowledging it or not.

Romans 1:17-25

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News Item4/29/11 12:00 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
"The purposes of their recently launched campaign are threefold: to offer welcome to all persons who are gay; to challenge the larger Church to fully accept persons who are gay into the life of the Church; and to call on all people to bring all the gifts of who they are to God."

This is narrow-minded intolerance. They are discriminating against those who have the gift of child abuse, porn addiction, adultery, theft, murder. Bigots.

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News Item4/29/11 11:42 AM
Chilton  Find all comments by Chilton
Ruth wrote:
Romans 1 is dealing with those under the Triune Jehovah's Creation mandate. But Paul in another place speaks to believers
The Bible is not split up into sections for reprobates and sections for believers.

The Word of God is one for all people.

The Holy Spirit guides the elect into the whole counsel of God.

____________

Rick wrote:
"Why stop there?"
False "Christians" don't stop there! The action of this "church" is a sign of their unsaved estate. Therefore they are under the dominion of sin and Satan. They cannot obey the Law of God.

Gal 5:19 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

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News Item4/29/11 11:19 AM
Ruth | where God is well known  Find all comments by Ruth
Rick wrote:
Why stop there? Why not say that Adulterers, fornicators, lairs, and cheats do the same?
It will be interesting to see what the denomination does about this, if anything.
Agreed Rick, but it is the violations of first table commandments which is synonymous with spiritual fornication and the downward progression that is why I stressed the hereditary warning of the second commandment.

Spiritual violations precede second table violations not the other way around. Romans 1 is dealing with those under the Triune Jehovah's Creation mandate. But Paul in another place speaks to believers

1 Cor. 10:7-12
Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

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News Item4/29/11 10:21 AM
Rick | Alabama  Find all comments by Rick
They say that Homosexuality is a gift from God, and that gays, lesbians, bi's and transgenders strengthen the body of Christ.

Why stop there? Why not say that Adulterers, fornicators, lairs, and cheats do the same?

It will be interesting to see what the denomination does about this, if anything.

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