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FRONT PAGE  |  7/5/2022
SUNDAY, JAN 9, 2011  |  17 comments
Mass exodus from Roman Catholic Church
Tim Pereira was an altar boy and his father played guitar in the church's folk music group. The family often gathered in the church basement after Mass to drink coffee and eat doughnuts with friends in their tight-knit parish. They ate spaghetti dinners with the rest of the church, browsed church bazaars, and went on family retreats. Their priest was a caring man who oversaw a close congregation.

Pereira remembers only community and warmth from his childhood in the Roman Catholic Church. He has no horror stories of cold churches or abusive priests. So why is Tim Pereira, 30, now an evangelical? ...


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News Item1/12/11 6:30 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Contact via emailFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Presby wrote:
But can't you see Michael
Dear Presby
I can see very clearly that you've gotten your premises all mixed up.

The jailer wasn't save, he wasn't regenerated (born again of the Spirit) he was dead in his trespasses and sins and in the providence of God knew it (baptist types call this conviction, it is what Jesus spoke of that the Holy Spirit when He comes would do) therefore his cry of desperation.

What must I do to be saved? Notice he didn't say save myself did he.

Please understand a regnerated person has no need of repenting and believing to be born again of the Spirit, to be saved, a regenerate person would already be.

Since this thread is about Exodus from the Roman Catholic Church, it might be better if you email me anything you want to say.

As to the Exodus of Catholics the other side of the story is many across denominational lines are in a figure of speach doing all they can to align themselves with Rome and have her approval. Truly a wretched thing for people who have the Bible in their own languages and from the Word of God should know better.

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News Item1/12/11 4:52 PM
Presby  Find all comments by Presby
Michael Hranek wrote:
told him: 1 & 2 you've got to get God to elect and predestin you. 3 & 4 you've got to get yourself a gospel and an inward call 5 somehow you've got to get yourself regenerated 6, 7 8 9 ONLY THEN can you repent and believe, be justified, sanctified and glorified
But can't you see Michael, God had already done all this for the jailor, all that both Paul (Damascus road) and the Jailor had to do was begin the journey of life with the help of the Holy Spirit.

You didn't think that Paul had the "power" over the jailor at this point did you? Ask yourself the question, "Where was God when all this was going on?" And "Did the Lord have to wait for Paul to 'act' and the jailor to change his sinful, enmity against God, (Ro 8.7) mind, to accept the Lord?

Does God have to wait for sinners to love Him, when they are "dead in sin" or does God wait for NO man?

Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins"
NOTICE the quickening must come to those who "WERE" dead to make them alive in Christ. The sinner cannot quicken himself.

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News Item1/12/11 3:15 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Presby wrote:
Ooohh Noooo!!! Michael
Are you suggesting Regeneration AFTER faith???
Presby
No, I am not suggesting at all.
BECAUSE Scripure is repeatedly clear in the matter

But thanks for your "ordis salutis" too bad the Apostle Paul didn't know it when the jailer asked Paul "What must I do to be saved?"

Paul could have answer him like a good, can I say baby sprinkler, and told him: 1 & 2 you've got to get God to elect and predestin you. 3 & 4 you've got to get yourself a gospel and an inward call 5 somehow you've got to get yourself regenerated 6, 7 8 9 ONLY THEN can you repent and believe, be justified, sanctified and glorified (something baptist type believers call SAVED, of course we include regeneration (the new birth), like the Holy Spirit moved Paul to speak of in Titus 3)


Man o man, From what you've told me Paul really, really blew it telling that poor jailer:

'Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be save!'

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News Item1/12/11 2:49 PM
Presby  Find all comments by Presby
Michael Hranek wrote:
Regeneration before and apart from repentance and faith? I don't think so
Ooohh Noooo!!! Michael

Are you suggesting Regeneration AFTER faith???

Is that "faith" before being born again???

Faith is a human faculty???

Is this "salvation by works" - I see before me???

Ooooohhh Noooo!!!

Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward WHO BELIEVE, ACCORDING TO THE WORKING OF HIS MIGHTY POWER."

Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt - [[GOD HAS DEALT]] - to every man the measure of faith."

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News Item1/12/11 2:05 PM
Fred P  Find all comments by Fred P
Michael Hranek wrote:
While there are indeed wretched and wicked people who call themselves Baptist like those from Westboro (quite Calvinistic if I remember) Baptist type believers have been around long before 1521
I am old, but not quite that old.

0 nanoseconds lost sleep.

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News Item1/12/11 1:47 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Presby wrote:
I love the
Dear Presby
Whatever is true just posted after my earlier post encouraging not to answer a fool according to his folly.

While there are indeed wretched and wicked people who call themselves Baptist like those from Westboro (quite Calvinistic if I remember) Baptist type believers have been around long before 1521

Don't you remember history the RCC has hated and even slaughtered those who rejected infant baptism and practised believer's baptism, and what redeemed elect believer would object to following the Lord in believer's baptism (maybe one wrongly holding to RCC and Augustian Theology)?

Oops! Looks like you've forgotten Jesus told us that if we confess Him before men that He will confess us before the Father, something believers Baptism does quite well.

The saints in the old Soviet Union and today in Muslim countries will tell you puts ones very life on the line for the faith they might claim to have.

BTW Just how Biblical was it for the Puritans in New England to make it a punishable crime to practise believer's baptism.

Didn't James say he would show his faith by his works

Regeneration before and apart from repentance and faith? I don't think so

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News Item1/12/11 12:06 PM
Presby  Find all comments by Presby
Michael Hranek wrote:
Secondly, it is "baptist-type" believers who retain a continual history of personal NOT Institutional faith, believers baptism NOT Infant Sprinkling, believing the Bible the Authoritative Word of God NOT so called Sacred Tradition AND CERTAINLY NOT Spiritual Whoredome of joining Church and State
I love the "baptist" jokes you do Michael???

Now don't forget the Baptist Denom has, by now, been "Institutionalised" since its inception in 1521. Time itself has seen to that.

As for "infant sprinkling" this after all is the Biblical method and anyway why do you discriminate against babies?
God doesn't and HE administers the real baptism, doesn't He.
The only reason you have for "believers dunking" is that you demand human declaration to other mortals, as part of your ritual, - rather than complete trust in God for His elect.

Remember Michael
"the ordo salutis is 1) election, 2) predestination, 3) gospel call 4) inward call 5) regeneration, 6) conversion (faith & repentance), 7) justification, 8) sanctification, and 9) glorification. (Rom 8:29-30)"

This gets rid of that nasty old RC 'salvation by works' you used to embrace.

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News Item1/12/11 7:10 AM
Whatever is true  Find all comments by Whatever is true
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him."

Gentlemen,

Please check out Mr Schwarb's posting history. As a former student at Reformed Theological Seminary Mr Schwarb is well aware of the heresies of Rome.

Please do not feed the trolls, rather pray for them.

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News Item1/12/11 6:39 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Allan Schwarb wrote:
@Kestle
Doesn't the Nicene Creed, ....
Allan
Interesting posts
First creeds aren't the gospel.

1 Cor 15:1-4
Moreover, brethren, I declare to you THE GOSPEL which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,

Secondly, it is "baptist-type" believers who retain a continual history of personal NOT Institutional faith, believers baptism NOT Infant Sprinkling, believing the Bible the Authoritative Word of God NOT so called Sacred Tradition AND CERTAINLY NOT Spiritual Whoredome of joining Church and State, from the early church in Acts to today far better than the RCC, that has seriously tried to exterminate "us" from its founding.

How can one be considered a Christian and disagree with the RCC? By being born again of the Holy Spirit something that does not happen in infant baptism.

The Holy Spirit will never lead a child of God, to deny the Bible for foolishness

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News Item1/12/11 6:13 AM
Kestle  Find all comments by Kestle
Allan Schwarb wrote:
Therefore, what makes the RCC an "heretical cult"?
1. The heretical mass.

2. Idolatry - such as worship of old bones, statuettes, dead sinners, relics and other graven images.

3. Maryolatry and co-remptrix and co-mediatrix, together with "saint" worship is also idolatrous.

4. Pope as "vicar of Christ" is a lie.

5. The RC church is part of the "means" of salvation.

There are many more heretical doctrines in the RCC, besides these.

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News Item1/12/11 5:25 AM
Whatever is true  Find all comments by Whatever is true
Allan Schwarb wrote:
doesn't the Church who gave us the Nicene Creed retain the Gospel?
Therefore, what makes the RCC an "heretical cult"?
The RCC did not give us the Nicene Creed - see previous posting.

The RCC is a heretical cult as has been well documented. Do some research if you really don't know or please stop trolling, thank you.

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News Item1/10/11 2:00 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, Allan, I'll add to the voices (very sensible ones I might add) about the [URL=http:/www.biblebb.com/files/rcc-attractions.htm]]]The Attractions of the Roman Catholic Church[/URL], please stop efforts in [URL=http://www.ihcc.org/resources/booklets/reversing-the-reformation-the-catholicevangelical-accord-examined]]]Reversing the Reformation[/URL]
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News Item1/10/11 10:42 AM
Whatever is true  Find all comments by Whatever is true
Allan Schwarb wrote:
Eminent Protestant professor, Dr. Carl Trueman (Westminster Theological Seminary, Historical Theology and Church History), advises in Reformation 21 (Nov 2005):
"Every year I tell my Reformation history class that Roman Catholicism is, at least in the West, the default position. Rome has a better claim to historical continuity and institutional unity than any Protestant denomination, let alone the strange hybrid that is evangelicalism; in the light of these facts, therefore
Yes, that sounds like Trueman. He acknowledges the paucity of his own case with the proviso "at least in the West".

If we ignore EVERYTHING except just one bishopric that was a seat of heretics in the early church then Trueman can make his overly melodramatic case.

But he himself knows of the ancient church in North Africa, Asia Minor, Middle East and beyond, Byzantium and the Celtic churches.

Yes, we do need to know what the BIBLE teaches and in knowing that reject the errors of Romanism. But let's please give up paying homage to the utterly false "historical continuity" of the papacy. In that regard Carl is a Falseman - a wolf in sheep's clothing.

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News Item1/10/11 10:06 AM
June  Find all comments by June
C. H. Spurgeon on Roman Catholicism . .

"Reader, do you believe that men like yourself have priestly power? Do you think that they can regenerate infants by sprinkling them, and turn bread and wine into the very body and blood of Jesus Christ? Do you think that a bishop can bestow the Holy Ghost, and that a parish clergyman can forgive sins ? If so . . . you are the victim of crafty deceivers. Your soul will be their prey in life and in death. They cajole you with soft words, fine vestments, loud pretensions, and cunning smiles, but they will conduct you down to the chambers of death, and lead you to the gates of hell. Silly goose, may grace make thee wise!

Jesus Christ is the true Priest who can forgive all your sins; go to him at once, without the intervention of these pretenders. Make confession to him! Seek absolution from him! The Holy Ghost alone can cause you to be born again, and the grace of God alone can bring you to glory."
********
If you would be made wise unto salvation through faith which is in Jesus Christ, read God's Word .. the Bible! (II Tim. 3:15)

a former R.C. born again by the incorruptible word of God! (1 Pet. 1:23)

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News Item1/9/11 5:10 PM
Rowland Taylor county  Find all comments by Rowland Taylor county
“For God’s sake beware of Popery; for though it appear to have in it unity, yet the same is vanity and Antichristianity, and not in Christ’s faith and verity.” (Foxe’s “Acts and Monuments,” Vol. III., 144.)
(3) Hear what Rowland Taylor said:—
“The second cause why I was condemned as a heretic was that I denied transubstantiation and concomitation, two juggling words whereby the Papists believe that Christ’s natural body is made of bread, and the Godhead by and by to be joined thereto, so that immediately after the words of consecration, there is no more bread and wine in the sacrament, but the substance only of the body and blood of Christ.”
“Because I denied the aforesaid Papistical doctrine (yea, rather plain, wicked idolatry, blasphemy, and heresy) I am judged a heretic.” Foxe in loco, vol. iii. p. 141.
And therefore he was burned.

Alan...the light STILL BURNS in England.

"Be of good comfort, Master Ridley, and play the man. We shall this day light such a candle, by God's grace, in England, as I trust shall never be put out”.

see: Why Were Our Reformers Burned?

http://www.churchsociety.org/issues_new/history/iss_history_rylemartyrs.asp

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News Item1/9/11 4:12 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Quite true, Kestle, and of course we can't expect all of them to know [URL=http://www.biblebb.com/files/GOODCHURCH.HTM]]]What to Look for in a Church[/URL] or even [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/practical-christianity/PC0105W2.htm]]]Why Should I Become an Active Member of a Church?[/URL]

It should be added while we are to get the Word to these people who may wish to leave, what they do with that Word isn't are choice,

Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
...example is given of Jacob and Esau demonstrating God's sovereign choice is unconditioned by anything done either by an individual or because of any prior circumstance. God's choices are not on the basis of any works so His choices are not on the basis of His foreknowledge. The Scripture clarifies that God's election is solely on the basis of His purpose which is Self-determined....
from, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1112101131555]]]The Basis of God's Choices[/URL]

Romans 9
15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION."
16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]

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News Item1/9/11 3:34 PM
Kestle  Find all comments by Kestle
"the Roman Catholic Church is "hemorrhaging members." The Pew Forum's 2007 "U.S. Religious Landscape Survey" found that Catholics have experienced the greatest net loss of any American religious tradition"

Whilst it is good news that people should leave this heretical cult, we must ask the question where are they going to? If to atheism then it is not good news, if it is to the REAL Church then we can rejoice. However the reality is that all denominations are experiencing a decline in numbers - if not a decline in Bible doctrine.

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