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Choice News SATURDAY, MAR 20, 2010  |  26 comments
'No question' health care bill would increase abortion rate
Some of the nation's top pro-life leaders warned Friday that the nation's abortion rate could go up if the House passes the health care bill during an expected Sunday vote.

Their statement came on a day when Democratic House leaders continued to try to find the votes to pass the bill and groups on both sides of the fence contacted undecided representatives who will determine the vote's outcome. For instance, the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission personally delivered letters to 104 Democrats Thursday and Friday, urging a "no" vote on the bill and calling the proposal's abortion language "unconscionable." ...


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News Item3/31/10 5:38 PM
paul16135 | Essex  Find all comments by paul16135
Jack Rabbit wrote:
Birth control patches, inserts, pills are part of the abortion industry. Christians need to understand the reality of the situation; if you use chemical birth control and IUDs, then you practicing abortion; you can rationalize all you want, but it doesn't change anything. What are american Christians leaving for their children; well not leaving many children, increasing the risk of Islam taking over the USA in 10-20 years if not sooner. The American church has become held captive by the emerging neocon agenda..........Shame, shame, shame!
Whilst I agree with the top part of what youve said, your statment seems to be like 'we can breed Christians'.

We can have them born, but we cant make them born again, how about we spead the gospel, that has the power against false religion. Im not attacking you, I bet you agree with that comment.

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News Item3/21/10 5:36 PM
Jack Rabbit  Find all comments by Jack Rabbit
Birth control patches, inserts, pills are part of the abortion industry. Christians need to understand the reality of the situation; if you use chemical birth control and IUDs, then you practicing abortion; you can rationalize all you want, but it doesn't change anything. What are american Christians leaving for their children; well not leaving many children, increasing the risk of Islam taking over the USA in 10-20 years if not sooner. The American church has become held captive by the emerging neocon agenda..........Shame, shame, shame!
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News Item3/21/10 3:47 PM
Jessica Dawson | Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by Jessica Dawson
Mark M. wrote:
@Jessica. I'm living and teaching in Taiwan this year, and hope to keep doing so until "The One" is voted out of office. I have met some Canadian teachers here and they were outright shocked when they were able to see a Taiwanese doctor the very day that they were sick and needed to see him. The teacher said in Canada she once had to wait three months to see an Ear, Eye, and Throat doctor. One, is this the norm and what we can expect in the US once this obamanation of a bill is passed? Two, my co-teachers saw nothing "wrong" with waiting for care even though their tax rates are through the roof. What would you say about that? Finally, if I had to wait three months for an EET doctor I would either already be well or I'd be dead. What kind of a wait does one expect if the situation was actually, you know, something more serious than a cold? O'bama is "the one"....with any luck "The one termer".
Hi there, True, many people wait a long time to see a specialist here in Canada. My comment was in strict regard to the topic of abortion rate.
God bless!

"Greenfields", isn't it staggering and alarming reading about abortion rates, especially when numbers match cities and nations! May God have mercy on us!

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News Item3/21/10 2:56 PM
Greenfields | UK  Find all comments by Greenfields
Jessica Dawson wrote:
Canada has universal health care and has a lower abortion rate per capita than The United States. It's just sad all the way around though, how many abortions do happen in Canada.
[URL=http://rejectapathy.relevantmagazine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6746#p199173]]]Countries with highest abortion rate per capita[/URL]
"they will have no pity on the fruit of the womb"
I noticed Jessica, that the UK was not on the list you linked for "abortion rate per capita"
The highest two were Russia with "19.28 per 1000" and Bulgaria with 13.02 per 1000. - So I thought it would be interesting to see where UK raises its ugly head......

Quote;
"2004 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The abortion rate in the UK jumped by 3.2 per cent last year, from 175,900 in 2002 to 181,600 in 2003, according to recent statistics released by the Department of Health.

Among women aged 15 to 44, there were 17.5 abortions per 1,000, with highest figures for women aged 20 to 24, at 31.3 abortions per 1,000 women. The largest jump of 5.4 percent, however, was realized in girls under the age of 16, where abortions were committed on 3.9 girls per thousand, as compared to 3.7 per thousand in 2002"

Now thats evil!!!

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News Item3/21/10 2:55 PM
earstohear  Find all comments by earstohear
Malchus' original ear was eventually found by an NHS cleaner who took it to the ENT department where it was mistakenly stuck to the head of a plastic dummy used for demonstrating ear surgery. The dummy was last seen escaping out of an emergency fire exit and has sat 'safe' unmoved and undisturbed for many a year in one of the Uk's numerous ecumenical evangelical churches , as the most faithful and popular member of the congregation.

[URL=http://wildgoosechase.files.wordpress.com/2006/06/dummy.jpg]]]Here[/URL]

The remedy

[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=102206165459]]]Herat Surgery-Not Lip Service[/URL]

[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=5300664312]]]Preaching and Hearing[/URL]

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News Item3/21/10 2:52 PM
Moderator Alpha  Protected NameFind all comments by Moderator Alpha
prince charles wrote:
NOTE: THREAD CLOSED, cos cissy boy went whining to the moderator the same as the last time he LOST the discusion and couldnt get away his heresy
Not so. It was closed because it was hopelessly off topic as will this one be as well if you and John UK can't keep your comments relevant to the topic.
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News Item3/21/10 2:43 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
#1 It might be suggested that, though wrong, Peter was not trying to prove his faith, but his loyalty.

#2 Besides, when he was called to make confession, it was after the Malchus incident. The writer, whomever he may be, wrongly implies by the misuse of "and now.." that Peter first denied Christ, then raised the tumult. The least the writer could do is get it straight that there is nothing odd in what Peter did if it is remembered that he was both impetuous and fearful.
#1 You mean like the KJV-Onlyist cultists?

#2 "and now" means "here at the current position in history which we are looking at". I think "and now" is quite sufficent.

#3 Say Mike, you're not trying to cause a tumult are you?

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News Item3/21/10 2:36 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
John 18
Part Two
---
:Besides, it was exceedingly thoughtless in Peter to attempt to prove his faith by his sword, while he could not do so by his tongue. When he is called to make confession, he denies his Master; and now, without his Master's authority, he raises a tumult."
To be continued...
It might be suggested that, though wrong, Peter was not trying to prove his faith, but his loyalty.

Besides, when he was called to make confession, it was after the Malchus incident. The writer, whomever he may be, wrongly implies by the misuse of "and now.." that Peter first denied Christ, then raised the tumult. The least the writer could do is get it straight that there is nothing odd in what Peter did if it is remembered that he was both impetuous and fearful.

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News Item3/21/10 2:13 PM
Latest News  Find all comments by Latest News
continuation wrote:
In the Uk modern day Malchus would have phoned for an ambulance and told to 'hold', then that the service was too busy. He would have waited for a bus (public transport) that didn't turn up. A good samaritan would have eventually helped him to hospital after asking for £50 to cover the petrol, where after several hours of waiting his ear would have been lost by the over worked Ugandan none english speaking nurse and probably turned up in a bacon sandwhich for another patient's breakfast. Not before he contacted some flesh eating bug in his one good ear and offered NHS plastuc surgery
[URL=http://www.sillyjokes.co.uk/images/wacky/body-parts/ears/giant-ears.jpg]]]It's free though[/URL]
However whilst recovering in hospital Malchus contracted Clostridium difficile (C. diff) and died.

His death certificate states, "cause of death NHS Cuts."

This kind of financial "cuts" comes from being run by the taxman (or IRS) who requires bureaucracy rather than medicine to run hospital care and expertise.

So you Democrats have been warned!!

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News Item3/21/10 1:48 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
John 18:10

Part Three

Quote:

"Warned by so striking an example, let us learn to keep our zeal within proper bounds; and as the wantonness of our flesh is always eager to attempt more than God commands, let us learn that our zeal will succeed ill, whenever we venture to undertake any thing contrary to the word of God. It will sometimes happen that the commencement gives us flattering promises, but we shall at length be punished for our rashness. Let obedience, therefore, be the foundation of all that we undertake. We are also reminded, that those who have resolved to plead the cause of Christ do not always conduct themselves so skilfully as not to commit some fault; and, therefore, we ought the more earnestly to entreat the Lord to guide us in every action by the spirit of prudence."

END QED

He that hath ears to hear, let him hear...

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News Item3/21/10 1:48 PM
continuation  Find all comments by continuation
Go...
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News Item3/21/10 1:42 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
John 18

Part Two

Quote:

"If we saw nothing faulty in the zeal of Peter, still we ought to be satisfied on this single ground, that Christ declares that he is displeased with it. But we see that it was not owing to him that Christ did not turn aside from death, and that his name was not exposed to perpetual disgrace; for, in offering violence to the captain and the soldiers, he acts the part of a highwayman, because he resists the power which God has appointed. Christ having already been more than enough hated by the world, this single deed might give plausibility to all the calumnies which his enemies falsely brought against him. :Besides, it was exceedingly thoughtless in Peter to attempt to prove his faith by his sword, while he could not do so by his tongue. When he is called to make confession, he denies his Master; and now, without his Master's authority, he raises a tumult."

To be continued...

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News Item3/21/10 1:32 PM
continuation  Find all comments by continuation
carry on John

'Fortunately, Malchus didn't have Obamacare, so he was well treated for his injury right away.'

In the Uk modern day Malchus would have phoned for an ambulance and told to 'hold', then that the service was too busy. He would have waited for a bus (public transport) that didn't turn up. A good samaritan would have eventually helped him to hospital after asking for £50 to cover the petrol, where after several hours of waiting his ear would have been lost by the over worked Ugandan none english speaking nurse and probably turned up in a bacon sandwhich for another patient's breakfast. Not before he contacted some flesh eating bug in his one good ear and offered NHS plastuc surgery

[URL=http://www.sillyjokes.co.uk/images/wacky/body-parts/ears/giant-ears.jpg]]]It's free though[/URL]

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News Item3/21/10 1:32 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
John 18
Part One
Quote:
"10. Then Simon Peter, having a sword, drew it. The Evangelist now describes the foolish zeal of Peter, who attempted to defend his Master in an unlawful manner. Boldly and courageously, indeed, he incurs great risk on Christ's account; but as he does not consider what his calling demands, and what God permits, his action is so far from deserving praise, that he is severely blamed by Christ. But let us learn that, in the person of Peter, Christ condemns every thing that men dare to attempt out of their own fancy. This doctrine is eminently worthy of attention; for nothing is more common than to defend, under the cloak of zeal, every thing that we do, as if it were of no importance whether God approved, or not, what men suppose to be right, whose prudence is nothing else than mere vanity."
To be continued...
Fortunately, Malchus didn't have Obamacare, so he was well treated for his injury right away.
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News Item3/21/10 1:20 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
John 18

Part One

Quote:

"10. Then Simon Peter, having a sword, drew it. The Evangelist now describes the foolish zeal of Peter, who attempted to defend his Master in an unlawful manner. Boldly and courageously, indeed, he incurs great risk on Christ's account; but as he does not consider what his calling demands, and what God permits, his action is so far from deserving praise, that he is severely blamed by Christ. But let us learn that, in the person of Peter, Christ condemns every thing that men dare to attempt out of their own fancy. This doctrine is eminently worthy of attention; for nothing is more common than to defend, under the cloak of zeal, every thing that we do, as if it were of no importance whether God approved, or not, what men suppose to be right, whose prudence is nothing else than mere vanity."

To be continued...

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News Item3/21/10 1:06 PM
prince charles | wales anglesey  Find all comments by prince charles
John UK wrote:
he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Luke 22:35-36 KJV.........................................................................

And where oh where is your proof text that Jesus wants us to arm ourselves against religious persecutors? Come on man, out with it, where is the example in the New Testament?

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News Item3/21/10 8:31 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Luke 22:35-36 KJV

Pray continue, I was most disappointed that someone got the thread closed. Now then, how do you explain the above?

And where oh where is your proof text that Jesus wants us to arm ourselves against religious persecutors? Come on man, out with it, where is the example in the New Testament?

Perhaps you would do well to observe the life of Saul of Tarsus. Now he was a religious persecutor wasn't he? Killing and imprisoning Christians? Eh? And where then is the record of any defending themselves? Eh?

Please observe Saul converted and made Paul the Apostle. Have you read of his life, how many times he was beaten up and left for dead in the dust. So where is the record of him ever taking arms to defend himself? Eh?

Come on man, out with it. Show me, teach me where it says in the Bible that which you would have believers do.

And on the day you do, I will concede the debate.

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News Item3/21/10 8:06 AM
prince charles | wales anglesey  Find all comments by prince charles
'' It is the law of sowing and reaping, and you would do well to think on your actions, because you will reap that which you sow, brother.''

Take the beam out of your own eye johnuk false teacher

NOTE: THREAD CLOSED, cos cissy boy went whining to the moderator the same as the last time he LOST the discusion and couldnt get away his heresy

I exposed your heresy johnuk so dont 'brother' me with your heretical views
Jesus did NOT reverse His teachings and you wouldnt say that if you spent more time like i do listening to sermons on SA instead of posting foolishness that mislead the saints you would never make that mistake

Ill be watching your posts so expect to suffer furthur correction

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News Item3/21/10 6:17 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Norman Smith wrote:
Hi there ,the other John from UK,how are you beloved brother ?
Oh Lord Jesus ,refresh our souls with renewed zeal for thy glory,and a renewed burden for those who are blind and cannot see where they are heading for... bless John UK and John San Jose,and all my dearly beloved brethren and sisters ,who comment on Sermonaudio. Amen.
Beloved brother Stormin Norman

Greetings to you bro. It's amazing how questions are answered even before they've been asked!!

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News Item3/21/10 5:45 AM
Norman Smith | New Haw,Surrey,England.  Find all comments by Norman Smith
San Jose John,
what an interesting comment.

Time...more time allowed by a long suffering,holy God,for an expectant mother in that line,to RECONSIDER,to REPENT,to RETURN home, and by grace to RECEIVE the Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour .....

...and then a child is born into the world to a Christian mom...and be brought up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

Thankyou John...this has given me a new impetus to pray about these matters which i hadnt thought about.

Oh Lord have mercy upon us all !

Hi there ,the other John from UK,how are you beloved brother ?

Oh Lord Jesus ,refresh our souls with renewed zeal for thy glory,and a renewed burden for those who are blind and cannot see where they are heading for... bless John UK and John San Jose,and all my dearly beloved brethren and sisters ,who comment on Sermonaudio. Amen.

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