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FRONT PAGE  |  6/3/2023
MONDAY, SEP 14, 2009  |  7 comments
Ban Ave Maria in the California Public Schools but Allow Islamic Prayers
The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals issued an opinion on September 8th upholding a public school superintendent’s decision to ban a student group’s performance of an instrumental version of “Ave Maria” at their public high school’s graduation ceremony. The superintendent’s reason for the ban: because the song might be interpreted by some as an endorsement of religion.

Remarkably, this left-leaning federal court sees no inconsistency between its ruling several years ago allowing Islamic prayers to be said on a daily basis in public school classrooms, and its current decision to prohibit a one-time instrumental performance of a Christian-inspired musical piece. ...

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News Item9/19/09 5:06 PM
Publican | Northern Hemisphere  Find all comments by Publican
The reason for this 'irrationality' is not far to seek.
In a word, to those ignorant of, nay, blind to, true religion, Islam poses no 'spiritual' threat. This sort of activity is a relief to the atheist, whose battle is only with Christ Jesus. Even an aberrant Christianity
is an offense.

News Item9/19/09 11:41 AM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
In Disney's original "Fantasia" movie, Ava Maria was the theme used to symbolize a more traditional triumph of good (church) over evil (Devil).

60 years later, Disney's sequel to Fantasia used Stravinsky's decidedly pagan Firebird suite to score and equally pagan struggle between good and evil, symbolized this time by fire (bad) vs. water/plants (good).

We've sure come a long way in 60 years if Ava Maria is now banned while Firebird never was. Instead of going from dim to bright, our society has gone the other way--from dim to DARK. Not suprising really, Given the nature of Man in general.


News Item9/14/09 9:38 PM
CV  Find all comments by CV
"The superintendent’s reason for the ban: because the song might be interpreted by some as an endorsement of religion."

"..allowing Islamic prayers..", ..??

It makes about as much sense as when the Prez says, "..we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation." "[I]f you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we'd be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world."

Seems like both, Briton and America, are falling over each to have this honor.


News Item9/14/09 2:21 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Ah Jim, you managed to digress even more than I did! The widespread contempt for rationality in law (& in theology!) is the essential underlying problem here.

News Item9/14/09 2:08 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, Neil, that's why the idea of putting the Mass in the common language, so people could understand it. The present Pope is again pushing the Latin Mass, because people can understand it in the common language!

But many people know that song is associated with Catholicism, i.e., [URL=]]]Should Roman Catholicism really be classified as a Christian religion? -- No.[/URL] Of course Islamic prayers should be banned as well, [URL=]]]Top Ten Reasons Why Sharia Law Is Bad For All Societies[/URL].


News Item9/14/09 10:24 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Irrationality (as in this double-standard) is the norm both in secular & church circles today. The reason this came to be is probably of little interest, alas, to most folks here.

BTW, even if a vocal was included, "Ave Maria", as it is based on a Catholic intercessory prayer to Mary, is in Latin, a tongue few public school students know anymore. I wonder how many "Protestant" students would've been offended if it were sung & they knew what it meant?

Schubert's score is classic. Ironically here, he did not originally compose it for these lyrics, but for a hymn entitled, "The Lady of the Lake." So the whole legal business could've been skirted simply by using the more accurate title!


News Item9/14/09 10:05 AM
Brimstone  Find all comments by Brimstone
Quote #1. "The superintendent’s reason for the ban: because the song might be interpreted by some as an endorsement of religion."

For a school superintendant this guy is an uneducated fool.

Quote #2. "... this left-leaning federal court sees no inconsistency between its ruling several years ago allowing Islamic prayers to be said on a daily basis in public school"

For a federal court they are unjust to the point of illiteracy!

This must be the point of delusion.....

2Thes 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

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