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MONDAY, APR 13, 2009  |  15 comments
Can Rick Warren Play Both Sides of the 'Gay' Marriage Battle?
For a man who is arguably the most famous religious leader in the world after the Pope, Warren is surprisingly sloppy when it comes to speaking in public. He acknowledged as much during an April 6 appearance on "Larry King Live," saying that "Everybody should have 10 percent grace when they say public statements." But Warren needs more like 50 or 60 percent grace.

There are two main reasons Warren tends to get himself in trouble when he talks in front of a microphone. The first is that unlike most public figures, he doesn't carefully script every utterance. In the now-infamous Saddleback video address in which he offers a full-throated endorsement of Prop 8--a video Warren seems genuinely surprised ever became public, despite the fact that it was distributed via email to 30,000 people and posted on his blog at the church's website--the pastor appears to be speaking off-the-cuff. "You need to ...


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News Item4/19/09 8:28 PM
Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
OBAMA ALERT:"Don't know about 9/11 conspiracy, but do know from DC source that an Administration team is working on perfecting a forgery of the long-form birth certificate. They plan on presenting it in a month or so. The source is FBI agent who has drinking buddy from University of Illinois now in the Administration. Its second hand, but the source is supposed to be solid.

They have already prepared the forgery with special paper and ink. The document was printed on a fully functional 1960 Heidelberger printing press located at a print museum in Toronto. Access was arranged by a trustee of the museum who is connected to a large Canadian banking/investment firm with major US interests.

The blanks in the forged form were filled in with an old Underwood Manual typewriter bought at an estate sale in Skokie, IL. The raised seal was the easiest piece to fake, since you can by a special order corporate seal from just about any online office supply store.

The only reason they haven't rolled out the foregery yet is that it is "seasoning" under mild UV light and a back and forth rotation between between a humidifier and a sauna. Get ready....one to two months tops. I also said they'd have to get a 1960s Printing Press, and indeed, by this information, looks like they found one."!

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News Item4/18/09 11:39 PM
Vogue | California  Find all comments by Vogue
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News Item4/18/09 11:02 AM
Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
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News Item4/17/09 11:05 PM
Fredrick | nor'east  Find all comments by Fredrick
I don't know which is worse, the sinful bashing of each other that is done with some in these rooms or whether we be a full-fledged homosexual. I am not at all for the homosexual lifestyle. It is gross sin { Romans 1 } etc. etc. I personally have left these rooms awhile ago. These rooms could be so instructing and edifying to the believer. I'm baffled that "sermon audio" allows such sinful, ungodly behaviour in these rooms. It's a shame that the same few or so monopolize these rooms. I hope that the "powers that be" will take care of such a beautiful tool in our hands that could be really used rightly.
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News Item4/17/09 5:48 PM
BrianD | USA  Contact via emailFind all comments by BrianD
The sin is the homosexual act and not if the state recognizes or does not recognize marriage. If the state were to legalize something that is a sin, it doesn't make it any less sinful.

So I don't see why a Christian who sees homosexuality as sin MUST fight against gay marriage as an activist. Gay marriage or not, the sin is still there.

Maybe in the long run it's smarter to love the gay community and show them Christ who will take care of their sin, than worry about what the state recognizes or not (which solves nothing).

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News Item4/17/09 4:40 PM
millercl | indiana  Contact via emailFind all comments by millercl
oh grow up you two.
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News Item4/16/09 2:42 PM
Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
Out Of The Same Mouth (Of Rick Warren, "vogue", etc.) Proceedeth Blessing And Cursing. My Brethren, These Things Ought Not So To Be.
Doth A Fountain Send Forth At The Same Place Sweet Water And Bitter?
Can The Fig Tree, My Brethren, Bear Olive Berries? Either A Vine, Figs? So Can No Fountain Both Yield Salt Water And Fresh. James 3:10-13
LIKEWISE RICK WARREN CAN'T PLAY BOTH SIDES OF THE SODOMITE & GOMORRAHITE PERVERTED SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BATTLE !
"NO MAN CAN SERVE TWO MASTERS: FOR EITHER HE WILL HATE THE ONE, AND LOVE THE OTHER; OR ELSE HE WILL HOLD TO THE ONE, AND DESPISE THE OTHER. YE CANNOT SERVE GOD AND MAMMON (MAMMALS, MANKIND: ESPECALLY SEXUALLY PERVERTED SODOMITES; WHO'RE WICKED SINNERS BEFORE THE LORD EXCEEDINGLY)." MATTHEW 6:24
"NO SERVANT CAN SERVE TWO MASTERS: FOR EITHER HE WILL HATE THE ONE, AND LOVE THE OTHER; OR ELSE HE WILL HOLD TO THE ONE, AND DESPISE THE OTHER. YE CANNOT SERVE GOD AND MAMMON (MAMMALS, MANKIND: ESPECIALLY SEXUALLY PERVERTED SODOMITES; WHO'RE WICKED SINNERS BEFORE THE LORD EXCEEDINGLY)" LUKE 16:13
"And Have NO Fellowship With The UNFRUITFUL Works of DARKNESS, BUT RATHER REPROVE THEM." EPHSIANS 5:11

*Nay, "vogue", but it's you; like Rick Warren, as a Satanic-Vaticanist/Roman-"Catholic"-Cultic "Jesuitic" Equivocating LIAR playing both sides !

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News Item4/16/09 1:00 AM
Vogue | California  Find all comments by Vogue
Tony Lopez-Cisneros wrote:
Out Of The Same Mouth (Of Rick Warren, "vogue", etc.) Proceedeth Blessing And Cursing. My Brethren, These Things Ought Not So To Be.
Doth A Fountain Send Forth At The Same Place Sweet Water And Bitter?
Can The Fig Tree, My Brethren, Bear Olive Berries? Either A Vine, Figs? So Can No Fountain Both Yield Salt Water And Fresh. James 3:10-13
LIKEWISE RICK WARREN CAN'T PLAY BOTH SIDES OF THE SODOMITE & GOMORRAHITE PERVERTED SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BATTLE !
"NO MAN CAN SERVE TWO MASTERS: FOR EITHER HE WILL HATE THE ONE, AND LOVE THE OTHER; OR ELSE HE WILL HOLD TO THE ONE, AND DESPISE THE OTHER. YE CANNOT SERVE GOD AND MAMMON (MAMMALS, MANKIND: ESPECALLY SEXUALLY PERVERTED SODOMITES; WHO'RE WICKED SINNERS BEFORE THE LORD EXCEEDINGLY [SEE GENESIS 13:13)." MATTHEW 6:24
"NO SERVANT CAN SERVE TWO MASTERS: FOR EITHER HE WILL HATE THE ONE, AND LOVE THE OTHER; OR ELSE HE WILL HOLD TO THE ONE, AND DESPISE THE OTHER. YE CANNOT SERVE GOD AND MAMMON (MAMMALS, MANKIND: ESPECIALLY SEXUALLY PERVERTED SODOMITES; WHO'RE WICKED SINNERS BEFORE THE LORD EXCEEDINGLY [SEE GENESIS 13:13)" LUKE 16:13
"And Have NO Fellowship With The UNFRUITFUL Works of DARKNESS, BUT RATHER REPROVE THEM.

Tony:

Then why are you playing both sides??

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News Item4/15/09 1:22 PM
Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
Out Of The Same Mouth (Of Rick Warren, "vogue", etc.) Proceedeth Blessing And Cursing. My Brethren, These Things Ought Not So To Be.

Doth A Fountain Send Forth At The Same Place Sweet Water And Bitter?

Can The Fig Tree, My Brethren, Bear Olive Berries? Either A Vine, Figs? So Can No Fountain Both Yield Salt Water And Fresh. James 3:10-13

LIKEWISE RICK WARREN CAN'T PLAY BOTH SIDES OF THE SODOMITE & GOMORRAHITE PERVERTED SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BATTLE !

"NO MAN CAN SERVE TWO MASTERS: FOR EITHER HE WILL HATE THE ONE, AND LOVE THE OTHER; OR ELSE HE WILL HOLD TO THE ONE, AND DESPISE THE OTHER. YE CANNOT SERVE GOD AND MAMMON (MAMMALS, MANKIND: ESPECALLY SEXUALLY PERVERTED SODOMITES; WHO'RE WICKED SINNERS BEFORE THE LORD EXCEEDINGLY [SEE GENESIS 13:13)." MATTHEW 6:24

"NO SERVANT CAN SERVE TWO MASTERS: FOR EITHER HE WILL HATE THE ONE, AND LOVE THE OTHER; OR ELSE HE WILL HOLD TO THE ONE, AND DESPISE THE OTHER. YE CANNOT SERVE GOD AND MAMMON (MAMMALS, MANKIND: ESPECIALLY SEXUALLY PERVERTED SODOMITES; WHO'RE WICKED SINNERS BEFORE THE LORD EXCEEDINGLY [SEE GENESIS 13:13)" LUKE 16:13

"And Have NO Fellowship With The UNFRUITFUL Works of DARKNESS, BUT RATHER REPROVE THEM.

FOR IT IS A SHAME (SIN) EVEN TO SPEAK OF THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE DONE OF THEM IN SECRET." EPHESIANS 5:11-12 !

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News Item4/14/09 6:08 PM
KK | USA  Find all comments by KK
Jim

From your Link:

Paul told Timothy: “But you . . . fulfill your ministry.” “Preach the word! . . . in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.”

That is what we are called to do as pastors— not follow the fads and fashions of our culture. ... I’m convinced that those who do not get back to the business of preaching the Bible will soon see their churches die ...

... One publisher looked at some of his material— it was the series on the twelve apostles— they looked at it and told him, “It’s just too biblical.” ...

... that’s how all these fads are crafted. They are deliberately dumbed down, made soft and generic and nonthreatening, so they don’t rebuke anyone’s sin; they don’t endanger anyone’s shallowness; they don’t threaten anyone’s comfort zone; and they don’t challenge anyone’s worldliness. That’s the way both the publishers and the people want it.

.

I think his assessment (*Re: Those who are not preaching THE BIBLE will soon see their churches die.) is wrong ----- I think if they all continue down this same old "watered down path" THE DAY OF THE LORD WILL COME and they will still be sitting in their pews with "lukewarm hearts" ...

It's all being crafted for "ITCHING EARS" !!!

Veritas Vincit !!!

KK

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News Item4/14/09 2:26 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Can Ricky talk out of both sides of his mouth, sure he can! [URL=http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/SC05-1013.htm]]]Programs, Get Your Programs: Exposing the Flaws of a Fad-Driven Church[/URL].
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News Item4/14/09 1:13 PM
KK | USA  Find all comments by KK
Vogue wrote:
Rick Warren ... was not a "Prop 8 leader", and in that capacitiy, he did not speak out, endorse anyone, etc.
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W E L L ... FOR ME THE "silence" OF MOST SO CALLED "CHRISTIANS" IS DEAFENING AND Rick Warren IS NO ACCEPTION !!!

THIS UNDENIABLE EARSPLITTING "silence" IS A VERY SERIOUS BROBLEM THAT HAS FAR REACHING CONSEQUENCES ... "Our" UNWILLINGNESS TO COME TOGETHER ALL ACROSS THIS NATION WITH "ONE VOICE" IS A TESTAMENT TO THE "Our" WISHY-WASHY
"ReLiGeOuS" MINDSET, AND SUCH A DAMNABLE ACT CARRIES WITH IT GREAT SOCIAL RAMIFICATIONS ... --- JUST LOOK AT AMERICA, SURVEY THE SOCIAL LANDSCAPE --- THE RESULTS OF "Our" HELL-BENT CONDITION IS TRACEABLE TO THE ROOT CAUSE, "Our" dYsFuNcTiOnAl "dumnness" !!!

"We The People" CONSISTS OF .. M A N Y .. CHRISTIANS TOO, SO WAKE UP, THIS TRANQUIL AQUIESCENT LULL "We" FIND Ourselves IN WILL BE "Our" UNDOING ---- "voicelessness" IS NOT AN OPTION !!!

................... R E P E N T .. A N D .. S T A N D .. !!!

THERE ARE MANY VOICES, BUT NO UNIFYING VOICES --- MAYBE UNITY IS NOT THE REAL FOCUS FOR MANY OUT THERE, MORE THAN LIKELY THERE'S A "self inflated" ULERIOR MOTIVE BEHIND MANY OF THESE PEOPLE "We" HEAR TODAY !?!?!

Hmmm

WAKE UP CALL !!!

Veritas Vincit !!!

"IN" Christ, KK

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News Item4/14/09 5:00 AM
Wise | Tennessee  Find all comments by Wise
The very fact that we are writing comments that cannot state his position uneqivocally is a testament that he is a FRAUD as a Christian and pastor. Who is loved among you that loves Christ? Christ said you shall be persecuted for his name sake. Not that the press misquoted you and now you worry about the ratings or your newest book or DVD's sales. If Warren's doctrine was so sound and his heart in the right place. All that purpose drive garbage would be free and available to the masses. We need some sound doctrine not another self-help Guru. Try reading the Puritians, Spurgeon and my favorite Martyn Lloyd Jones and get weaned off this weak kneed Christianty that Ricky proposes
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News Item4/14/09 1:48 AM
Vogue | California  Find all comments by Vogue
Rick Warren isn't playing on both sides of the issue of gay marriage. Unfortunately, people don't understand what he intended to convey, which was that he was not a "Prop 8 leader", and in that capacitiy, he did not speak out, endorse anyone, etc.

However, on his weekly message to his "Congrgegation" back in October 08, just prior to the election, he made it clear what his and the church's stance was: Marriage between a man and a woman for life!

He has since clarified and reconfirmed his previous position which has not changed! Those are the facts.

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News Item4/13/09 11:07 PM
KK | USA  Find all comments by KK
Can Rick Warren Play Both Sides of the 'Gay' Marriage Battle ??? ...

When it comes to sodomites, same-sex marriage/same-sex unions, the transgendered, etc... -- and let "Us" not forget to include the adoption rights of these moral delinquents -- THERE CAN BE .. N O .. ALLOWANCES MADE AND .. N O .. CONCESSIONS GIVEN !!!

FOR THOSE WHO JUST DON'T GET IT -- THERE CAN BE NO HAPPY MEDIUM WITH A BUNCH OF MORAL DEGENERATES !!!

"We" .. C A N N O T .. IN GOOD CONSCIENCE VALIDATE THAT WHICH HOLDS .. N O .. VALIDITY WHATSOEVER !!!

FOR "Us" TO PLAY THE PART OF ENABLERS IS AN ACT THAT MAKES "Us" A ROUNDABOUT PARTY TO "their" MALADY !!! -- "We" JUST CAN'T SEEM TO MUSTER THE COLLECTIVE BACKBONE TO STAND AND CALL THIS DESTRUCTIVELY PERVERSE life-style EXACTLY WHAT "it" IS !!! -- "Their" life-style CHOICE IS A SICK AND TWISTED DISORDER THAT "they" (this WaRpEd FRING GROUP) ARE ATTEMPTING TO FOIST UPON "Us" JUST AS "they've" DONE ALL AROUND THE WORLD.

LET'S SIZE "it" UP FOR WHAT "it" TRULY IS -- "their" MADDENING FILTH HOLDS .. N O .. SOCIALY BENIFICIAL ATTRIBUTES WHATSOEVER !!! -- TO TAKE "this" ABOMINATION AND TO WILLINGLY INTERTWINE "it" INTO "Our" SOCIAL FABRIC ... WELL, THAT'S A SICKNESS ALL ITS OWN !!!

THERE'S STILL TIME TO REPENT !!!

Veritas Vincit !!!

KK

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