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FRONT PAGE  |  10/17/2021
Choice News SATURDAY, OCT 25, 2008  |  47 comments
Pastor charged with felony for spanking son
A Wisconsin pastor has been charged with felony physical abuse of a child after he spanked his 12-year-old son for lying and a teacher notified social services.

Barry W. Barnett Jr., 43, of Poynette, Wis., is free on a $10,000 bond, but he could face up to three years in prison and fines for disciplining his son, the local Portage Daily Register reported.

At the pastor's hearing, Barnett's son said his father was right to spank him .


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News Item3/6/09 10:25 AM
MADGRANNY | Wisconsin  Contact via emailFind all comments by MADGRANNY
Barry Barnett will be going to trial on July 16th, 09. We need prayer! We also need to take a stand at and support this cause at the Columbia County Court House in Portage. We can't let the goverment dictate how we raise our children - that's for the Lord to do.
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News Item11/3/08 2:03 PM
madgranny | Madison  Find all comments by madgranny
Call and let the District Attorney know how you feel about her bringing charges against a father for spanking his children! Tell her to keep bureaucratic nose out of the private affairs of the American people.

Columbia County District Attorney Jane Kohlwey
608-742-9650

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News Item11/2/08 12:18 AM
born again  Find all comments by born again
The pastors children should not be in public school,if the pastor has a marriage liscense the state makes the rules,they own his children. The state does not want your children to read the Holy Bible, pray, so you can not discipline them according to the Bible, that simple. Read Matthew 4:8-10,Proverbs 22:6 , Ephesians 6:4 If you want to be free from this mess check out www.preachingfreedom.com
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News Item11/1/08 9:43 PM
Alan Christopher | Chile  Find all comments by Alan Christopher
Anti-antichrist wrote:
Hi Mike, are you saying the rod must be a tree branch then?
I don't think is neccesarly a literal rod, but it could and it would be right. I think the text is trying to tell us that some kind of fisical punishment must be applied (and be applied the way the Lord told us to be done)

You can discipline your children fisically, not because of anger, but because of discipline. Not trying to harm them, but trying to teach them

BTW... I would use a tree branch but I think I would ran out of trees XD

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News Item11/1/08 1:34 PM
Anti-antichrist | God's land  Find all comments by Anti-antichrist
Hi Mike, are you saying the rod must be a tree branch then?
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News Item11/1/08 1:23 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Anti-antichrist wrote:
Buenes Tardes!
Whether the rod be literal or figurative would be a great study in itself, though I do admit it may be somewhat time-consuming. So let us just consider here that the rod is literal as tradition teaches.
With that said, I'd like to know what this rod is and what it can be. Would it have to be a tree branch? Can it be a steel pipe? Some sort of plastic apparatus? How long/thick?
Thanks for the help.
Still trying to catch someone in his words, hey? Your seemingly benign questions aren't, are they?

How much steel and plastic was there when the Proverbs were written?

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News Item11/1/08 12:59 PM
Anti-antichrist | God's land  Find all comments by Anti-antichrist
Buenes Tardes!

Whether the rod be literal or figurative would be a great study in itself, though I do admit it may be somewhat time-consuming. So let us just consider here that the rod is literal as tradition teaches.

With that said, I'd like to know what this rod is and what it can be. Would it have to be a tree branch? Can it be a steel pipe? Some sort of plastic apparatus? How long/thick?

Thanks for the help.

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News Item10/29/08 1:35 PM
Anti-antichrist | God's land  Find all comments by Anti-antichrist
No need to drift off. My last question was rather simple, focusing on the 2 proverbs at this time.

"The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame."

"Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him."

If you all are gonna say literal then we may go from there. I have to run out and pick up the farm-fresh, unadulterated milk and then do a little slave work for awhile, so think about it during the day and I'll check back later. Adios.

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News Item10/29/08 12:50 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
Miguel wrote:
Good point Mike.
Also, Strong's definition for the figurative sense is "a clan". "He that spareth the clan hateth his son"
Maybe Jesus used a "figurative" whip to drive out the money changers too.

Come on, guys, where does it end?

Get real!

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News Item10/29/08 12:14 PM
RV | Kenosha  Find all comments by RV
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/moodyfamily/disciplineconclusions.html

The above site goes into a lot of detail about this subject.

I still think the verse is clear but in any case check out the link above.

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News Item10/29/08 11:40 AM
Miguel | Central America  Find all comments by Miguel
Good point Mike.

Also, Strong's definition for the figurative sense is "a clan". "He that spareth the clan hateth his son"

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News Item10/29/08 11:37 AM
rhymnrzn2zion | asluT  Contact via emailFind all comments by rhymnrzn2zion
There's many things to say about these things, and every man ought to know clearly what the mind of Christ is about the matter, let alone to have the ability to give a concise sermon about discipline: but who is disposed? Worldly entanglements, binding conditions, our modern challenges, all show there's much to overcome.

Let me throw this in however. What is it to be detained before the LORD? as Doeg the Edomite was said to be, who was Saul's chief herdman. Is it not for one to have or to take leave from one's everyday responsibilities? a necessary thing to untangle oneself from worldly affairs. Hopefully not to the ends that wicked Saul and Doeg took it to, thinking the first day of David's absence, "Where's David, surely he is unclean": but the second day the gig was up!

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News Item10/29/08 11:34 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Anti-antichrist wrote:
Good morning folks,
I'd like to stay focused on the 2 proverbs that RV listed if we can, thanks.
Miguel provides a Strong's definition for rod so we can go from here.
Would this rod be literal or figurative?
The answer may lie in another question. How does one spare a figurative rod, and why would sparing a figurative rod cause one to be accused of hating his son?
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News Item10/29/08 11:00 AM
Anti-antichrist | God's land  Find all comments by Anti-antichrist
Good morning folks,

I'd like to stay focused on the 2 proverbs that RV listed if we can, thanks.

Miguel provides a Strong's definition for rod so we can go from here.

Would this rod be literal or figurative?

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News Item10/29/08 10:05 AM
RV | Kenosha  Find all comments by RV
Anti-antichrist
I do have some questions if you don't mind.
What is the rod?
What is the child?

And, are these proverbs referring to father, mother, and their own children?

Perhaps the verse below makes more sense.

Proverbs 13:24
Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.

I think its pretty clear, we need to be careful not to bring presupositions or impose on the text.

Have a great day
In christ
Rick

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News Item10/29/08 9:49 AM
Miguel | Central America  Find all comments by Miguel
Anti-antichrist,

Rod - shêbeṭ
From an unused root probably meaning to branch off; a scion, that is, (literally) A STICK (for punishing, writing, fighting, ruling, walking, etc.) or (figuratively) a clan: - X correction, dart, rod, sceptre, staff, tribe.

Considering the Bible's teaching on a parent's responsibility to train up their children, it has to be the parents and their own children. I have no responsibility before God for someone else's children's behavior, so I don't have a responsibility to discipline them either.

Example; God does not discipline the devil's children, only His own (Hebrews 12:5-11).

Hope that helps some.

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News Item10/29/08 1:49 AM
Anti-antichrist | God's land  Find all comments by Anti-antichrist
Welcome RV, thanks for the response.

I do have some questions if you don't mind.

What is the rod?

Who is the child?

And, are these proverbs referring to father, mother, and their own children?

Good night.

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News Item10/28/08 9:08 PM
overcomer401965 | Texas  Find all comments by overcomer401965
"401965, don't get disturbed. I'm most willing to hear the Holy Spirit but you haven't and now refuse to provide scriptures for me to heed. The rather vague proverbs already given do not address the questions."

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profiotible for doctrine for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

You dont believe this either than do you antichrist.

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News Item10/28/08 11:58 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
33K, your point is reasonable. In two of my prior "pastor disasters," both had questionable credentials on the 1 Tim. 3:4 front. One had almost feral kids, & the other was divorced (which wasn't the only reason I didn't support his ordination), so in retrospect it was unsurprising that they turned out to be abusive elders (yes folks, a negligent parent is abusive, Prov. 13:24).

And in larger churches of my experience, the pastors were either hard to know (the clerical social barrier), or were outsiders with no history in the congregation.

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News Item10/28/08 11:40 AM
RV | Kenosha  Find all comments by RV
Anti-AntiChrist to Mike
Thanks for your opinion Mike, but I'm looking for scriptural support for hitting sons and daughters.

The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame. Proverbs 29:15

Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him. Proverbs 22:15

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