Barry Barnett will be going to trial on July 16th, 09. We need prayer! We also need to take a stand at and support this cause at the Columbia County Court House in Portage. We can't let the goverment dictate how we raise our children - that's for the Lord to do.
Call and let the District Attorney know how you feel about her bringing charges against a father for spanking his children! Tell her to keep bureaucratic nose out of the private affairs of the American people.
Columbia County District Attorney Jane Kohlwey 608-742-9650
The pastors children should not be in public school,if the pastor has a marriage liscense the state makes the rules,they own his children. The state does not want your children to read the Holy Bible, pray, so you can not discipline them according to the Bible, that simple. Read Matthew 4:8-10,Proverbs 22:6 , Ephesians 6:4 If you want to be free from this mess check out www.preachingfreedom.com
Anti-antichrist wrote: Hi Mike, are you saying the rod must be a tree branch then?
I don't think is neccesarly a literal rod, but it could and it would be right. I think the text is trying to tell us that some kind of fisical punishment must be applied (and be applied the way the Lord told us to be done)
You can discipline your children fisically, not because of anger, but because of discipline. Not trying to harm them, but trying to teach them
BTW... I would use a tree branch but I think I would ran out of trees XD
Anti-antichrist wrote: Buenes Tardes! Whether the rod be literal or figurative would be a great study in itself, though I do admit it may be somewhat time-consuming. So let us just consider here that the rod is literal as tradition teaches. With that said, I'd like to know what this rod is and what it can be. Would it have to be a tree branch? Can it be a steel pipe? Some sort of plastic apparatus? How long/thick? Thanks for the help.
Still trying to catch someone in his words, hey? Your seemingly benign questions aren't, are they?
How much steel and plastic was there when the Proverbs were written?
Whether the rod be literal or figurative would be a great study in itself, though I do admit it may be somewhat time-consuming. So let us just consider here that the rod is literal as tradition teaches.
With that said, I'd like to know what this rod is and what it can be. Would it have to be a tree branch? Can it be a steel pipe? Some sort of plastic apparatus? How long/thick?
No need to drift off. My last question was rather simple, focusing on the 2 proverbs at this time.
"The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame."
"Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him."
If you all are gonna say literal then we may go from there. I have to run out and pick up the farm-fresh, unadulterated milk and then do a little slave work for awhile, so think about it during the day and I'll check back later. Adios.
There's many things to say about these things, and every man ought to know clearly what the mind of Christ is about the matter, let alone to have the ability to give a concise sermon about discipline: but who is disposed? Worldly entanglements, binding conditions, our modern challenges, all show there's much to overcome.
Let me throw this in however. What is it to be detained before the LORD? as Doeg the Edomite was said to be, who was Saul's chief herdman. Is it not for one to have or to take leave from one's everyday responsibilities? a necessary thing to untangle oneself from worldly affairs. Hopefully not to the ends that wicked Saul and Doeg took it to, thinking the first day of David's absence, "Where's David, surely he is unclean": but the second day the gig was up!
Anti-antichrist wrote: Good morning folks, I'd like to stay focused on the 2 proverbs that RV listed if we can, thanks. Miguel provides a Strong's definition for rod so we can go from here. Would this rod be literal or figurative?
The answer may lie in another question. How does one spare a figurative rod, and why would sparing a figurative rod cause one to be accused of hating his son?
Rod - shêbeṭ From an unused root probably meaning to branch off; a scion, that is, (literally) A STICK (for punishing, writing, fighting, ruling, walking, etc.) or (figuratively) a clan: - X correction, dart, rod, sceptre, staff, tribe.
Considering the Bible's teaching on a parent's responsibility to train up their children, it has to be the parents and their own children. I have no responsibility before God for someone else's children's behavior, so I don't have a responsibility to discipline them either.
Example; God does not discipline the devil's children, only His own (Hebrews 12:5-11).
"401965, don't get disturbed. I'm most willing to hear the Holy Spirit but you haven't and now refuse to provide scriptures for me to heed. The rather vague proverbs already given do not address the questions."
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profiotible for doctrine for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
You dont believe this either than do you antichrist.
33K, your point is reasonable. In two of my prior "pastor disasters," both had questionable credentials on the 1 Tim. 3:4 front. One had almost feral kids, & the other was divorced (which wasn't the only reason I didn't support his ordination), so in retrospect it was unsurprising that they turned out to be abusive elders (yes folks, a negligent parent is abusive, Prov. 13:24).
And in larger churches of my experience, the pastors were either hard to know (the clerical social barrier), or were outsiders with no history in the congregation.