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Choice News THURSDAY, OCT 9, 2008  |  61 comments
Vatican defends Pope Pius' decisions during the Holocaust


Pope Pius XII
VATICAN CITY (AP) ‚ÄĒ The Vatican stepped up its defense of Pope Pius XII on Tuesday, countering allegations the wartime pontiff was silent about the Holocaust by saying he saved Jews through his prudent diplomacy.

The Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano dedicated an entire page to praising Pius, including an impassioned tribute from the Holy See's secretary of state, Italian Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone.

"It was precisely by means of a prudent approach that Pius XII protected Jews and refugees," Bertone wrote in an introduction to a book by a nun about the late pontiff. ...


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News Item10/16/08 2:45 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I don't know, GG, what wikipedia article are you talking about? I said the one about PP XII was slanted in PP XII's favor. Ah, by the way, how could things have been made worse for the Jews? They were being killed on an assembly line basis. Did Bonhoeffer make things better, no, in fact as a Christian he may have done the wrong actions, and it would have been better if he had left Germany when had the chance. The German Lutheran Church's involvement in governments has in its own way have been just as disastrous as the Catholic Church's.
Anyway, the archives of the Vatican have to be opened on PP XII's years and show how encouraged individual priests, cardinals, etc. to protect Jews, and still, [URL=http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/catholicscandal.htm]]]The Scandal of the Catholic Priesthood[/URL].
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News Item10/16/08 8:17 AM
hidemi williges | san francisco, ca  Find all comments by hidemi williges
BibleThumper wrote:
What????
I guess you just had to be there.
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News Item10/16/08 7:56 AM
BibleThumper | Phoenix Az  Find all comments by BibleThumper
A Bible Christian Who Believes wrote:
Nay & On The Contrary, wayne park;
what is This YOU are saying:
Are you more noble than Saint
Janet ever-Holy-Spirit-praying:
For it is you, wayne park;
who dwells in the dark.
As you & Millions others;
t'will be left after Christ's Rapture:
Desperately Running, Screaming & Hiding--
Biblical Revelations - Illuminations Still DENYING ? ? ?
What????
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News Item10/15/08 10:52 PM
Moderator Alpha  Protected NameFind all comments by Moderator Alpha
GG wrote:
Mr Moderator...am I forgiven?
I don't know why you ask (there are multiple moderators monitoring posts) but if you are able to post, all is well.
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News Item10/15/08 5:02 PM
GG  Find all comments by GG
Jim you seem to love to talk out of both sides of your mouth. You imply that my Wikipedia article is bogus and then you put in one of your own. However, regardless of the reliability of Wikipedia overall, when they're right...their right. If you disagree, please show me where. Of course Pius XII was no "Bonhoeffer", Pius had the weight of World-wide Catholicism, War-time Europe and the fate of the Jews on his mind. Bonhoeffer was a German pastor. The say that Pius XII didn't act is a falsehood. The Jewish Congress requested that he not provoke the Germans into more persecutions. Read the comments of A. Einstein, Golda Meir, and other Jewish leaders of the period.
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News Item10/15/08 4:53 PM
Tinker  Find all comments by Tinker
GG wrote:
Mr Moderator...am I forgiven?
Are you using the site as your confessional GG?
It would make great reading.
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News Item10/15/08 4:42 PM
GG  Find all comments by GG
Mr Moderator...am I forgiven?
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News Item10/14/08 8:06 PM
preacherjond  Find all comments by preacherjond
A Bible Christian Who Believes wrote:
Sister Janet Canela goes on to recount her "Vision in Heaven of Mary":
"I got closer and saw a young lady, such a beautiful young lady, so beautiful, her face was so pretty. She was looking through a very tiny window. She was kneeling down and looking to the face of the Earth, crying with tremendous pain.
She (Mary) said, 'Many people say that I have power, that I can perform miracles, but that is a LIE ! I do not do anything! Almighty God was satisfied with me and He used my womb so that Jesus could be born and save everyone, but I don't have any power. I cannot do anything! Do NOT bow before me! Do NOT worship me! For I am NOT Worthy of Worship. The Only ONE that is Worthy, the Only ONE that you Bow Before and Adore is JESUS! He is the ONLY ONE that HEALS and SAVES !'
I could see how that young lady was in such tremendous pain, full of anguish and crying. She said, 'No! No! Do NOT worship me! WHY do you bow before me? I DON'T do ANYTHING!' You see dear brothers, it was a tremendous thing to look at this young lady, how she was crying with such pain and sadness."
Apparently you've never read the Bible you claim to believe especially passages such as 2 Timothy 3:5-17. God stopped revelatio at Revelation!
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News Item10/14/08 5:01 PM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn NSW  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
Jim Lincoln wrote:
My, My Lance, I'm surprised you didn't use that great authority off Wikipedia,
There are more reliable sources than Wikipedia.

Regarding your Lincoln quote earlier, wasn't it Lincoln who established diplomatic relations with the Vatican?

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News Item10/14/08 2:33 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
My, My Lance, I'm surprised you didn't use that great authority off Wikipedia, which supports your claims but don't substantiate them that much since it is slanted, but I will point out the Wikipedia article on the [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat]]]Reichskonkordat[/URL] in which the future Unholiness was involved in. I would point out, ever the politician, never the Christian. He certainly was no [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer]]]Dietrich Bonhoeffer[/URL], the former was definitely to involved in politics, [URL=http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=dabney]]]The Perils of Popery[/URL], as perhaps also the latter, but at least he wasn't supporting a known evil by inaction.
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News Item10/13/08 3:22 PM
A Democratic Conservative  Find all comments by A Democratic Conservative
gg wrote:
You Lie!
Nay, "gg", you & The Satanic Vatican LIE !

For as The Satanic Vatican & "Pope" Pius XI were "having two horns like a lamb, but speaking as a dragon" in this forked-tongue "document" (another devised document to cover their behinds in case Fascism lost the WAR); the German, Austrian, Italian Croation, Spanish Fascist ovens were choking with the murderous cyanide poisoning of up to 6 MILLION Jewish Men, Women & Children--not to mention 100 MILLION Russian, Greek, Serbian, Etc. Orthodox Christians, Protestants, Gypsies, Etc. !

TALK IS CHEAP !

ESPECIALLY SATANIC-VATICANIST "WRITTEN"-TALK or WORDS: IT'S EVEN CHEAPER !

ACTIONS, DEEDS & WORKS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS !

ESPECIALLY THE SATANIC-VATICANIST CHEAP SPOKEN "TALK" or WORDS (ala the so-called "Mit brennender Sorge/'With burning concern');

AND EVEN CHEAPER YET ARE THE SATANIC-VATICAN'S 'Jesuitical' "WRITTEN" CHEAP TALK & WORDS ala "gg", "lance eccles", and the rest of their Accursed, Condemned & Unrepentant ilk !

AS THE ONE & ONLY HOLY SPIRIT OF THE ONE & ONLY HOLY TRIUNE GOD SAYS TO THEM:

REPENT ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

OR

PERISH IN THE ETERNAL TORMENTS OF HELL-FIRE & THE LAKE OF FIRE ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

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News Item10/13/08 3:07 PM
GG  Find all comments by GG
ADC: You Lie!
Mit brennender Sorge (German for "With burning Concern,") is a RCC encyclical of Pope Pius XI, published on March 10, 1937 (but bearing a date of Passion Sunday, March 14). The encyclical criticized Nazism, listed breaches of an agreement signed with the Church and condemned antisemitism. Drafted by the future Pope Pius XII, who was in Munich at the time of Hitler's Beer Hall Putsch[1], it warned Catholics that the growing Nazi ideology, which exalted one race over all others, was incompatible with Christianity. Pius XI himself in more explicit terms had elsewhere condemned anti-semitism.[2] The encyclical was written in German and not the usual Latin of official Roman Catholic Church documents. It was addressed to German bishops and was read in all parish churches of Germany. Pope Pius XI credited its creation and writing to the Cardinal Secretary of State, Eugenio Cardinal Pacelli, who later became Pope Pius XII. There was no pre-announcement of the encyclical, and its distribution was kept secret in an attempt to ensure the unhindered public reading of its contents in all the Catholic Churches of Germany. This encyclical condemned particularly the paganism of the national-socialism ideology, the myth of race and blood...
[Wikipedia - "Mit Brennender Sorge"]
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News Item10/13/08 2:56 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
DC, interesting comments. Lance, give me a site where it says Cornwall retracted his statements, were there just some or all? I would also point out, you might tell this site to redo it's quotation from the book, [URL=http://www.reformation.org/hitler_pope.html]]]HITLER'S POPE: The Secret History of Pius XII[/URL], it makes interesting reading so what portions of it are incorrect?

and from a review of the book on Amazon,
'As the 1933 Concordat with Nazi Germany said,

"In consideration of the guarantees afforded by the conditions of this treaty, and of legislation protecting the rights and freedom of the Catholic Church in the Reich ..., the Holy See will ensure a ban on all clergy and members of religious congregations from political party activity."'

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News Item10/13/08 2:46 PM
A Democatic Conservative  Find all comments by A Democatic Conservative
lance eccles wrote:
Pius XII knew that, if he had intervened, the number of Jews leaving on trains would have been increased.
Look at what happened in Holland when the R(oman) C(atholic) C(ult) bishops spoke up against the persecution of Jews. The Nazis stepped up their campaign.
What a pathetic mealy-mouthed defence of The Satanic-Vatican's nuncio ("Ambassador") to Hitler's Germany, Eugenio Pacelli, before he became Pope "Pius" XII !

As Pacelli ("Pius") knew very well that if he had intervened, Hitler's Final Solution would NEVER been Attained To--or that at the least 6 MILLION of The World's Jews in Europe Wouldn't have ever been Murdered !

A greater pathetic excuse is the Holland one.

The Stepped-Up Persecution of Jews was DELIBERATE; for future reference in defence of The Satanic Vatican; as per "lance eccles" diabolical defence of The Satanic Vatican, Pius XII Nazi-Hitler-Youth Benedict XVI !

This Satanic Romanist WHITE-WASH: "Vatican defends Pope Pius' decision during the Holocaust" is The BIGGEST Cover-Up & White-Wash to EVER Transpire in The Last Century.

The Satanic Vatican IS Responsible for The SLAUGHTER of Over 100 Million Men, Women & Children !

That Satanic Cult has HELL to pay !

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News Item10/13/08 2:20 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Lance, I was pointing out the hatred of Jews, which was and is quite common. So, I was just pointing out an ongoing process. Another Pope that was truly Hitler's Pope, because he was the one that influenced him in his childhood, [URL=http://archives.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/09/01/pope.controversy/]]]A beatification marred by controversy[/URL], a news article about another impious Pius
Abraham Lincoln wrote:
....The history of the last thousand years tells us that wherever the Church of Rome is not a dagger to pierce the bosom of a free nation, she is a stone to her neck, and a ball to her feet, to paralyze her and prevent her advance in the ways of civilization, science, intelligence, happiness, and liberty....
from [URL=http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=gore]]]Lincoln's prophetic warning[/URL]. So, one should read the [URL=http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=hitler_intro]]]"Hitler's Pope" Pius XII---Introduction[/URL], besides the other articles I've mentioned.
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News Item10/12/08 5:20 PM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn NSW  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
Jim Lincoln wrote:
I do believe that I should put up this commentary, [URL=http://www.carolineglick.com/e/2008/10/the_convenient_war_against_the.asp]]]The Convenient War Against the Jews[/URL], which shows at least an ongoing dislike of Italians for the Jews, which there is little doubt that this Pope also had for them, One has to remember this Pope had other behavior which made him deserve the title, [URL=http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=hitler_intro]]]"Hitler's Pope" Pius XII---Introduction[/URL]. I have no doubt he wanted to protect Catholics and even more especially the priests.
Anyway, I'm not a mind reader of dead men,
I'm glad you admit to not being a mind reader, Jim.

The first article says nothing about the pope or the Vatican.

The second article relies on John Cornwell's Hitler's Pope for its information, and as I've pointed out before, Cornwell has now retracted what he wrote in that book. It's time Professor Noble removed his article from the internet.

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News Item10/12/08 3:28 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Lance, all popes suffered from duplicity. I do believe that I should put up this commentary, [URL=http://www.carolineglick.com/e/2008/10/the_convenient_war_against_the.asp]]]The Convenient War Against the Jews[/URL], which shows at least an ongoing dislike of Italians for the Jews, which there is little doubt that this Pope also had for them, One has to remember this Pope had other behavior which made him deserve the title, [URL=http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=hitler_intro]]]"Hitler's Pope" Pius XII---Introduction[/URL]. I have no doubt he wanted to protect Catholics and even more especially the priests.

Anyway, I'm not a mind reader of dead men, but,
Matthew 7
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Therefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

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News Item10/12/08 12:20 PM
thessalonian | United Kingdom  Find all comments by thessalonian
Are they TRYING to be offensive??? It's Rosh Hashannah for goodness sake! And how do they choose to celebrate the Jewish New Year? Have an ex Hitler youth guy try to exonerate an anti semitic Hitler appeaser.

They couldn't be more blatantly disgustinglly offensive if they tried!

Sorry, even by papal standards, this one annoys me.

Argh!

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News Item10/12/08 11:24 AM
BibleThumper | Phoenix Az  Find all comments by BibleThumper
Hummmm...I wonder if there's a connection between Pius (Hitler's Pope) and Ratzinger (ex-Hitler Youth)??? Could this be one filthy hand attempting to wash another??
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News Item10/11/08 7:21 PM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn NSW  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Ah, from a source who suffered from Pope Pius XII,
Pius XII knew that, if he had intervened, the number of Jews leaving on trains would have been increased.

Look at what happened in Holland when the RCC bishops spoke up against the persecution of Jews. The Nazis stepped up their campaign.

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