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Choice News FRIDAY, AUG 22, 2008  |  29 comments
Study: Large Earthquake Could Strike New York City
The New York City area is at "substantially greater" risk of earthquakes than formerly believed, scientists said Thursday.

Damage could range from minor to major, with a rare but potentially powerful event killing people and costing billions of dollars in damage.

A pattern of subtle but active faults is known to exist, and now new faults have been found. The scientists say that among other things, the controversial Indian Point nuclear power plants, 24 miles north of the city, sit astride the previously unidentified intersection of two active seismic zones.

The findings are detailed in the Bulletin of the Seismological Society of America. ...


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News Item8/26/08 9:37 PM
hidemi williges | san francisco, ca  Contact via emailFind all comments by hidemi williges
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Lady and gentleman, gasp! all I can do is agree with you!
Yes, miracles do happen.
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News Item8/25/08 2:48 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Lady and gentleman, gasp! all I can do is agree with you! Yes, Armstrongites, and one can wonder how much the original church has reformed, but the splinters of it, sure haven't! They are white supremacists to the core. You know inside this article is really a link to a blunt one about the SDA, [URL=http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/bart.htm]]]Pilgrimage From Rome[/URL], if you read the main article before, read the one on the SDA. In fact some of the links some of you will like more than I would.
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News Item8/24/08 10:18 PM
hidemi williges | san francisco, ca  Contact via emailFind all comments by hidemi williges
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Ah, I have to disagree with most of you, the book of Revelation revolves around Israel, the U.S.A. could be well destroyed even before the tribulation.
Jim,

It's good to see that your stand is a Scriptural one. So many people get taken away with all the garbage that masquerades as Scripture. So many false teachers spewing their lies and pretending to be the custodians of Holy Writ, Especially groups like the British-Israelists, Armstrong's Church and the 7th day Adventists with their World Tomorrow lies.

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News Item8/24/08 4:28 PM
Christiana  Find all comments by Christiana
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Ah, I have to disagree with most of you, the book of Revelation revolves around Israel, the U.S.A. could be well destroyed even before the tribulation. One has to realized that the USA is not the most important country in the world, Israel is!
And, I would agree as to the possible destruction of America before God's final dealings with the world, and, also that God has a plan for Israel - a tiny country in terms of landmass and population, but a source of conflict for the whole world - described as a "cup of reeling for the whole world in the end times."

Once, again, a redeemed Israel will be God's instrument in witnessing to the world during the days of the false religious and political systems aligned worldwide under the leadership of the Antichrist.

OTOH, since we see things as they are now, and we see the summing up of all things, and America is now considered the dominant world leader, emphasis on "now," we look at these things and wonder.

So, my posts never suggested otherwise. Just "pondering these things that have been revealed to us" even as Mary pondered what was revealed to her through the Holy Spirit, and even as the prophets longed to understand what was written.

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News Item8/24/08 3:38 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, I have to disagree with most of you, the book of Revelation revolves around Israel, the U.S.A. could be well destroyed even before the tribulation. You should listen to series of sermons by Gil Rugh, such as, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=122602104249]]]Babylonian Religion and the Apostate Church [/URL]. One has to realized that the USA is not the most important country in the world, Israel is! [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=81304115244]]]The Abiding Abrahamic Covenant[/URL], and yes to have it put in writing, [URL=http://www.ihcc.org/images/booklets/pdf/L127.pdf]]]Does God Have a Future for Israel?: A Study of Romans 11[/URL].

Hidemi, has it right when he uses the quotation,
II Timothy 3: 16 Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness. 17That the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work.
So, amen hidemi.

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News Item8/24/08 2:46 PM
Christiana  Find all comments by Christiana
Daniel Lee Ford wrote:
Others in the current age would take the Mohammaden world or Atheist China, or the Buddhist persecuters as fitting: note the "And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. " of 18:24, which is why Matthew Henry here said it must be the RCC:
Some have computed, that, from the year 1518, to 1548, fifteen millions of Protestants have perished by the Inquisition.
Picking up these thoughts from previous exchanges re: Babylon's identity - I think we could eliminate those who would suggest the Islamic world, the atheist, and the Buddhists, since they never attached themselves to Jesus Christ and could not therefore be considered "the whore" of Revelation.

So, then we are back to Babylon being the RCC, which really seems to fit chptr. 17 (the woman drunk with the blood of the saints and martyrs of Jesus), but not 18 (the merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her luxury), so maybe the "spirit" is what is spoken of - or the "system."

Also, population being what it is now in major cities - millions - more souls could be lost in a moment than in centuries of history.

Just thinking. . .

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News Item8/23/08 12:45 PM
Christiana  Find all comments by Christiana
hidemi williges wrote:
Christiana,
I believe that we will never have all the answers in the Bible until we are with Jesus.
You should never make any one part of the Bible your mainstay as it is all of equal importance. Some people talk about prophecy all day long and yet cannot tell you how to get saved. Some will go on and on about manuscript evidence and yet cannot tell you about righteousness. So you are wise not to make any one point your mainstay.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
I agree, Hidemi. I can rest with not knowing because I know the ONE who knows.
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News Item8/23/08 11:45 AM
hidemi williges | san francisco, ca  Contact via emailFind all comments by hidemi williges
Christiana,

I believe that we will never have all the answers in the Bible until we are with Jesus.
You should never make any one part of the Bible your mainstay as it is all of equal importance. Some people talk about prophecy all day long and yet cannot tell you how to get saved. Some will go on and on about manuscript evidence and yet cannot tell you about righteousness. So you are wise not to make any one point your mainstay.

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

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News Item8/23/08 11:21 AM
Christiana  Find all comments by Christiana
Thanks, Hidemi,

I don't have the answers, just a lot of questions. I have always been interested in Biblical prophecy - though I steer clear of those who make this the mainstay of their teaching/preaching.

I want to stay true to Scripture, so I will not adamantly state what I glean from reading on my own, and where I could be wrong - though, I do like to think on the Scripture I know when current events seemingly correspond.

However end time events play out, Jesus will return - "our Blessed Hope being in His Glorious appearing."

We, His redeemed people, will then "reign with Him." Reigning, is not the part of interest to me, but as with all those who love Him, it is to dwell in His presence that I desire and "no more sin."

Nonetheless, He has given us Scripture to describe our future with Him, and we are told, "..eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor has it entered into the heart of man, all that God has prepared for those who love Him." Don't you love that?

I remember that 1989 earthquake. I was in Charlotte, NC tuned in to the baseball game. What an experience that must have been for you. Glad you weren't injured.

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News Item8/23/08 11:11 AM
hidemi williges | san francisco, ca  Contact via emailFind all comments by hidemi williges
Christiana wrote:
I know this is the historical position - 7 hills = Rome, & I know about the inquisitions & martyrs.
I've been to Vatican City, and the description in Rev. of merchandising, (seemingly from a world port) doesn't fit. Admittedly, I am no credentialed theologian.
So, back to the question of translation of "city" in Rev. Could it be translated otherwise?
The 7 hills of Rome: Avenntine, Caelian, Capitoline, Esquiline, Palatine, Quirinal, and The Viminal. 7 continents wouldn't fit as scripture portrays the Kings of the East as not being a part of the 10 nation confederation.

Some would say that "city" could also refer to a "system". I would say that it is both.

I've gone through maybe 7 or 8 earthquakes in my life. The worst being in 1989. I was blessed during that one as I suffered no injuries nor did anything happen to the place that I lived in. But, I walked 9 miles to get home that day. Buses and the subway weren't running. I saw buildings cracked and some leveled. People were looting hardware stores and several Radio Shack stores had people stealing merchandise. It was pure chaos. I could imagine if that happened in the east coast.

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News Item8/23/08 10:30 AM
Christiana  Find all comments by Christiana
hidemi williges wrote:
The reference to the blood of the prophets and saints goes back to Rome. Consider all the inquisitions against Bible believers.
Going to Rev 17 & 18, the colors purple and scarlet are the colors of the [RCC]. Rome is the only city built on 7 hills.
I know this is the historical position - 7 hills = Rome, & I know about the inquisitions & martyrs.

I've been to Vatican City, and the description in Rev. of merchandising, (seemingly from a world port) doesn't fit. Admittedly, I am no credentialed theologian.

Conjecture: 7 hills = 7 continents representing a world city of influence over the whole world? Farfetched? But, possible?

Also, the "city" is split into 3 parts by Great EQ - Conjecture: West Coast - New Madrid Fault - East Coast.

An earthquake in the NMF rung church bells in Phil. - or was it Boston? Occurred late 1800's, I believe. Sorry, I operate from memory which is not the best.

As to the colors of purple and scarlet in the RCC - that does represent a false system. We know those colors were used in the Temple in the OT, and Jesus was mockingly clothed in those colors before crucifixtion.

So, back to the question of translation of "city" in Rev. Could it be translated otherwise?

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News Item8/23/08 10:24 AM
hidemi williges | san francisco, ca  Contact via emailFind all comments by hidemi williges
Christiana,

I think that the reference you give concerning every tribe, tongue, and people is not connected with the U.S. is due largely to the fact that those whose blood was shed were martyrs and not people killed in wars (not for the cause of Christ), and though it is true that we are a melting pot, so is the Catholic Church (more so when you look at history).

I do not find any scriptural evidence that would have the United Nations existing in the time prior to or during the tribulation. I believe that the 10 Nation federation would replace the U.N., especially, considering that the U.N. is slowly becoming an ineffectual entity.

Without conjecture, I don't believe you can formulate ideas with solid evidence. After all, one has to start somewhere.

Praise God that he will keep us from the dreadful hour when all we have discussed comes to fruition.

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News Item8/23/08 9:51 AM
Christiana  Find all comments by Christiana
hidemi williges wrote:
I believe it could include the U.S., there is also another possibility that the U.S. and Great Britain are destroyed before that time due to the support of the Nation of Israel.
I agree with you that Babylon maybe be a confederation of nations that are in league with the one world religion that sets up a world financial empire.
Although this is all just conjecture on my part.
Hidemi,

When in Rev. "every tribe, and tongue, and people" is spoken of with reference to those whose blood has been shed, wouldn't America be more representative of such a mix of people than any other place on earth? The Great Melting Pot - over 400 yrs. -

Too, America was instrumental in setting up the "League of Nations" which is now the "United Nations" with HQ being in NYC.

The destruction of America and Great Britain because of support for Israel is part of my thinking on the end times events, as well. Can't remember the reference, but there is one to the effect "the one who sired her" destroyed as well. Possibility.

Is there fruition in conjecture? Some would discourage it, but the mind works that way.

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News Item8/23/08 9:42 AM
hidemi williges | san francisco, ca  Contact via emailFind all comments by hidemi williges
Christiana wrote:
The reason I think NYC is because it is a world port, and the decription of the luxurious merchandise. But, then, the blood of prophets, saints, etc., brings one back to America, and representative of its founding by "God-fearing people, from many countries."
The reference to the blood of the prophets and saints goes back to Rome. Consider all the inquisitions that the Church of Rome has committed against Bible believers in the past. (read Foxes book of Martyrs)

Going to Revelation 17 & 18, the colors purple and scarlet are the colors of the Catholic Church. Rome is the only city built on 7 hills. No other city fits this description.

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News Item8/23/08 8:52 AM
Christiana  Find all comments by Christiana
Daniel Lee Ford wrote:
I've often said the same thing,or maybe being L.A. or the USA. [America could take}a direct hit or the earthquake of ch.16
Some of the type of reading is personal perspective, Dostoevsky thought Russia fit here, I was just reading his novel, "The Devils" , w/ the title from this viewpoint.
"And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. " of 18:24, which is why Matthew Henry here said it must be the RCC:
Daniel,

Thank you for your post back. It is affirming to have some agreement concerning the Babylon of Rev. 16. I, too, have thought LA or America, as well, but the word is "city;" so, it would seem to rule out "nation" unless, the translation is insufficient.

I have "Demons" by Dostoevsky, but have yet to read it. Is that the one?

The reason I think NYC is because it is a world port, and the decription of the luxurious merchandise - and, sadly including "slaves and human lives" just rings true, though that could be said for a place like Hong Kong. But, then, the blood of prophets, saints, etc., brings one back to America, and representative of its founding by "God-fearing people, from many countries."

OTOH, a major earthquake. . . Out of space.

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News Item8/23/08 8:18 AM
hidemi williges | san francisco, ca  Contact via emailFind all comments by hidemi williges
Daniel Lee Ford wrote:
Peter 5:13)

Could that then include the U.S. in this passage, even conceding Hunt's /hidemi williges /many others
take?

I believe it could include the U.S., there is also another possibility that the U.S. and Great Britain are destroyed before that time due to the support of the Nation of Israel.

I agree with you that Babylon maybe be a confederation of nations that are in league with the one world religion that sets up a world financial empire.

Although this is all just conjecture on my part.

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News Item8/23/08 5:25 AM
Daniel Lee Ford | Spring Arbor, Mich.  Find all comments by Daniel Lee Ford
hidemi williges wrote:
Babylon is the Vatican city.
and Hunt (book below) cites

"Even Catholic apologist Karl Keating admits that Rome has long been known as Babylon. Keating claims that Peter's statement "The church here in Babylon ... sends you her greeting" (from I Peter 5:13) proves that Peter was writing from Rome. He explains further:

"Babylon is a code word for Rome. It is used that way six times in the last book of the Bible [four of the six are in chapters 17 and 18 and in extrabiblical works such as Sibylling Oracles (5, 159f.), the Apocalypse of Baruch (ii, 1), and 4 Esdras (3:1).
Eusebius Pamphilius, writing about 303, noted that "it is said that Peter's first epistle... was composed at Rome itself; and that he himself indicates this, referring to the city figuratively as Babylon." :

Now, if the SPIRIT of this Babylon takes over a country, one could read this collapse as including all nations that sold out to that Babylon, and destruction of those countries being included with the specific Babylon judgement.

Could that then include the U.S. in this passage, even conceding Hunt's /hidemi williges /many others
take?

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News Item8/23/08 1:02 AM
hidemi williges | san francisco, ca  Contact via emailFind all comments by hidemi williges
Christiana wrote:
Hidemi,
Do you think the "Babylon" mentioned in Rev. 18 is symbolic and represents NYC?
I believe that Babylon is the Vatican city. Other verses seem to fit. Revelation 16 -18 seems to refer to the Catholic Church in no uncertain terms. In Greek, Babylon is Babylon, the question remains is, where is this Babylon? What other entity can occupy a country without the use of an armed force?
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News Item8/22/08 9:14 PM
Christiana  Find all comments by Christiana
Faithful Remnant wrote:
Yes, I agree, Christiana. We could get into money also, since the US has a lot of control over world economics(not to mention our own affluency and consumerist attitude) and we know what Revelation has to say about this too. That's my take. I might be wrong, but I don't see why I should opt for a different view of the issue.
It's good to know that there is a "faithful remnant" and that we share a faith that has been given to us. For that we can rejoice, because He who began the good work in us will complete it - He keeps us in His tender care.

I'll say, "goodnight." I'm turning in.

Blessings to you and yours.

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News Item8/22/08 9:02 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Yes, I agree, Christiana. We could get into money also, since the US has a lot of control over world economics(not to mention our own affluency and consumerist attitude) and we know what Revelation has to say about this too. That's my take. I might be wrong, but I don't see why I should opt for a different view of the issue.
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