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FRONT PAGE  |  5/16/2022
Choice News SATURDAY, MAR 22, 2008  |  30 comments
Canada orders Christian ministry shut down
The Canadian government has ordered a Christian ministry that teaches doctrine and the differences between Christians and cults shut down because its reference materials were "critical" of the beliefs of those who are not Christian, WND has learned.

So what used to be called MacGregor Ministries with offerings in how to recognize and eliminate "faulty fads" in Christian churches has been re-created in the United States, and now operates under the name MM Outreach Media Ministries.

Lorri MacGregor, who has dedicated her life to explaining the straight and narrow of Christian beliefs since she found her way out of the Jehovah's Witness system years ago, told WND Canada's version of a "hate crimes" law prevented their work from continuing as it had for nearly 30 years. ...


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News Item5/17/08 1:07 AM
Geoff J | Florida  Find all comments by Geoff J
The government gets jurisdiction over a non-501c3 church via the unlawfully imposed 14th Amendment "U.S. Citizen" contract

visit http://www.pacinlaw.org

There are lawful remedies to avoid federal interference without moving overseas

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News Item3/25/08 8:00 PM
Pastor Michael Slattery | Belleview, Florida  Find all comments by Pastor Michael  Slattery
Minnow wrote:
Seems the US States beg to differ.
California law
tHANK YOU FOR CONFIRMING THE POINT IN QUESTION

as you quoted:religious non-profit entities like churches are subject to less rigorous federal filing and reporting requirements than many other tax-exempt organizations."
when one is a SUBJECT one has an authority and LORD. in this case the STATE. You can ot be a "little subject" and more than you can be a little pregnant.

Corporations are creatures of the State and they are presumed incorporated for the benifit of the public and the promotion of public policy. ( especially not for profit ones...) The Corporation exists as a franchise granted certain "privileges" but in the strict understanding it has no rights, only grants. The state is preeminant in All corporations.
YET Col 1:18 And he (Jesus) is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Eph 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

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News Item3/25/08 2:39 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
By the way,

[URL=http://www.mmoutreachinc.com/]]]MM Outreach Inc[/URL] to give you an idea what is on Lorri MacGregor's site.

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News Item3/25/08 12:16 PM
Minnow  Find all comments by Minnow
Seems the US States beg to differ.

California law
"A corporation orgainzed to operate a church or to be otherwise structured for primarily religious purposes is a nonprofit RELIGIOUS corporation.
California Corporation Code"

New York
RELIGIOUS CORPORATIONS LAW
LAWS 1909, CHAPTER 53 AN ACT in relation to religious corporations, constituting chapter fifty-one of the consolidated laws. Became a law February 17, 1909, with the approval of the Governor. Passed. The People of the State of New York, represented in Senate and Assembly, do enact as follows: CHAPTER 51 OF THE CONSOLIDATED LAWS RELIGIOUS CORPORATIONS LAW Article 1. Short title and definitions (Secs. 1 - 2-b).
2. General provisions (Secs. 3 - 27).
3. Protestant ....(Secs. 40 - 49).
3-A. Apostolic ....
AND many other churches.

"In the United States, the First Amendment guarantees freedom of religion, however religious non-profit entities like churches are subject to less rigorous federal filing and reporting requirements than many other tax-exempt organizations. Depending on the state in which they are located, they may also be exempt from some of theinspections or regulations governing non-religious groups performing the same services.
Many religious corporations designate a corporate soul." (Wiki)

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News Item3/25/08 12:52 AM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Pastor Michael Slattery wrote:
1. there is never a reason to start a corporation in order to accomplish God's work.
Amen!
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News Item3/25/08 12:48 AM
Pastor Michael Slattery | Belleview, Florida  Find all comments by Pastor Michael  Slattery
1. there is never a reason to start a corporation in order to accomplish God's work.
2. The difference between Exemption and exception is the issue. A Church is automatically considered a 501-c-3 because the IRS is assuming that it will behave it's self as a 501-c-3 and not as a free Church under the Lordship of Jesus Christ Exclusively. The Difference between Exception and Exemption is legion. Exemption implies that one is under the authority of another and pleads to be exempted from the rules that Govern. An exception is an issue of jurisdiction where the Government has no jurisdiction over a Church and so it is not EXEMPTED from a tax. it is excluded from it's jurisdiction. Congress shall make NO LAW respecting the establishment of Religion. WHY? they are under two different jurisdictions and the Founders of this nation understood this. Again this is Lordship issue in regard to the work of God. Do not let anyone LIE to you and tell you that they MUST be incorporated or appeal to the State for an exemption or privilege for anything. it simply is not so. The concept of a bona-fide Church in relationship to the IRS or any government entity is simply blissful ignorance. The IRS and the FEDERAL government have NO jurisdiction over a Church of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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News Item3/24/08 9:15 PM
reformanda | U.S.A.  Protected NameFind all comments by reformanda
Ernie wrote:
The fact is that the 501-c-3 or Canada's version of it is the issue. The Government is subsidizing them through the Tax Exemption. If the Government monies are the people's taxes, then the tax paying people have a right NOT to fund their own destruction. If you want to be free to speak your mind and that word of God, then do not accept the privilege of being exempted from paying your fair share.
Help me here: how does paying MORE tax make you free to speak your mind? The only way you are going to stop gov't using your taxes to fund evil things is to stop paying tax. For that you will need to stop buying gasoline! Fact is, the U.S. gov't ALREADY views bona fide churches as having 501(c)3 status - so they don't get taxed on their properties (eg.buildings). Let God's people get some of their own money back, I say. Let them get tax dollar breaks on their giving. Why not? These folks who go on about churches being in the back pocket of government, that it muzzles them etc.,are talking garbage. You are under no obligation to support any wickedness gov't introduces - 501(c)3 or not. Anyway, the IRS has power already to audit your "faithful" non-501(c)3 church. The only way you will escape gov't interference is to get out of the country.
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News Item3/23/08 9:53 PM
Vigilante  Find all comments by Vigilante
"God has opened a door for us and when he opens a door we go through. God is in control and we are trusting in his leading."

As always, just blame it on God - who can argue with what God supposedly says? A great silencer!

Maybe I'm in grievous error, but I can't see God telling his children to yoke up with tyrants and make the state, as they like to call themselves, the head of their ministry in order to accomplish his will.

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News Item3/23/08 3:48 PM
33k  Find all comments by 33k
MM Outreach wrote:
There is some misinformation here. There is no taking of cash into the US. The Canadian government charges Charities who are shut down with 100% tax so the shutting down of the Charity means that everything is gone and we must start fresh with nothing. In order to have our equipment to use in ministry we had to purchase them back from the Charity and the proceeds go back into the Charities bank account with all of it taxed 100%.
Thank you for the confirmation.
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News Item3/23/08 3:27 PM
MM Outreach | BC  Contact via emailFind all comments by MM Outreach
Vigilante wrote:
What's a corporation? Anyway, you don't need to yoke up with the state and start one - just do what you gotta do. Involving the regime will only cause more trouble, so stay far away from it.
Some of our work cannot be done as individuals without the backing of a US entity. God has opened a door for us and when he opens a door we go through. God is in control and we are trusting in his leading.
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News Item3/23/08 12:46 PM
Vigilante  Find all comments by Vigilante
What's a corporation? Anyway, you don't need to yoke up with the state and start one - just do what you gotta do. Involving the regime will only cause more trouble, so stay far away from it.
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News Item3/23/08 12:06 PM
Minnow  Find all comments by Minnow
MM Outreach wrote:
We have started a corporation in the US in order to continue the ministry that God has called us to. We are very passionate about taking the gospel to the cults the very ones whom the church has long ignored. We have seen hundreds come to faith in Christ because of our efforts and we will continue this work no matter how much persecution we are must endure.
Thanks for taking the time and effort to come on and explain that to us MM Outreach.

God be in your work and continued ministry.

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News Item3/23/08 12:01 PM
MM Outreach | BC  Contact via emailFind all comments by MM Outreach
There is some misinformation here. There is no taking of cash into the US. The Canadian government charges Charities who are shut down with 100% tax so the shutting down of the Charity means that everything is gone and we must start fresh with nothing. In order to have our equipment to use in ministry we had to purchase them back from the Charity and the proceeds go back into the Charities bank account with all of it taxed 100%.

However the government of Canada did not called us into ministry and they cannot silence us as individuals (yet). We have started a corporation in the US in order to continue the ministry that God has called us to. We are very passionate about taking the gospel to the cults the very ones whom the church has long ignored. We have seen hundreds come to faith in Christ because of our efforts and we will continue this work no matter how much persecution we are must endure.

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News Item3/23/08 1:30 AM
Ernie | Orlando  Find all comments by Ernie
The fact is that the 501-c-3 or Canada's version of it is the issue. The Government is subsidizing them through the Tax Exemption. If the Government monies are the people's taxes, then the tax paying people have a right NOT to fund their own destruction. If you want to be free to speak your mind and that word of God, then do not accept the privilege of being exempted from paying your fair share. Moving to America will only push off the problem.
On another note. Even if the Government tried to stop them from ministering, why did they stop?
Is the answer that they would rather obey man or God, was not peter in the same position and chose to suffer for serving?
But then again peter had not signed a contract with the state not to go against public policy as the 501-c-3, as interpreted by the courts, demands.
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News Item3/22/08 7:52 PM
Dr. Phil  Find all comments by Dr. Phil
Judges and lawyers usually operate on precedence rather than the Biblical rule of law. I wonder what impact this ruling will have after the formation of the North American Union occurs.

Also, if this is a biblical church, the Canadian government will fall before this ministry will fail. The gates of hell shall not prevail against the Lord's church, much less the government of Canada. But, if this is not a biblical ministry, it will fold like a pup tent.

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News Item3/22/08 6:14 PM
33k  Find all comments by 33k
Minnow wrote:
Liberalism is a fact.
Free Presbyterianism is also a fact, and many facts about Free Presbyterianism have been documented.
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News Item3/22/08 6:02 PM
Minnow  Find all comments by Minnow
33k wrote:
I prefer to deal with facts not rhetoric.
Liberalism is a fact.
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News Item3/22/08 6:00 PM
33k  Find all comments by 33k
Minnow wrote:
I've noticed over the years 33k, that you always find ways of supporting Liberalism. Are you C of E?
I prefer to deal with facts not rhetoric.
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News Item3/22/08 5:58 PM
reformanda | U.S.A.  Protected NameFind all comments by reformanda
Vigilante wrote:
The grievous error is running to the Canadian regime for permission in the first place! Now the same error will be repeated as they seek out 501c3 status in the papal states.
Just do whatcha gotta do and keep separate from the beast and that papal whore riding it!!
Have a nice day folks
I smell the influence of a Florida-based nut-job here. Railing on about the "Papal States" when in fact the said "wacko" believes the Confederacy was a good thing. Jefferson Davis and the CSA was actually supported by the Pope. But, hey, don't let facts get in the way of a good story!
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News Item3/22/08 5:47 PM
Minnow  Find all comments by Minnow
33k wrote:
The more I think about this, the odder it becomes....
I've noticed over the years 33k, that you always find ways of supporting Liberalism. Are you C of E?
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