Mike wrote:
No biblical requirement for the elect to be fatalist.

They also present their theology in the Biblical doctrines of Grace aka TULIP.

Ro 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

God's PURPOSE:
Ro.8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to HIS PURPOSE
29 For whom HE DID FOREKNOW, he also DID PREDESTINATE to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, THEM HE ALSO CALLED: and whom he called, them HE ALSO JUSTIFIED: and whom he justified, them HE ALSO GLORIFIED."

God does it all the sinner can do nothing. Halleluiah.

Lurker wrote:
but then again

Motto for American Christian?
"In God We Trust"?
or
"In Gun We Trust"?

Psalm 31:
15 "My times are in thy hand: deliver me from the hand of mine enemies, and from them that persecute me."

This is the Word of God.
Do you believe it?
Do you accept the promise of God?

Does the gun-toting American Christian trust in God's promise in Scripture? God will protect HIS servants and keep you in HIS providence and for HIS purpose? Is that in your Christian heart? Is that your faith in God?

In God We Trust
Is this your witness or do you believe God needs the help of a gun, in the life in Christ?

Does God allow the possibility of the life of the elect, to be cut off early by some chance encounter with a killer? Is the only way you can prolong the life of the elect to be armed and ready when God has looked the other way?

Does life 'IN' Christ belong to the sinner or to God?

Is God's purpose served by the Gun?
2Cor 5:17 "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature"
Are "new creatures" Not safe in God's purpose?

Lurker wrote:
False dichotomy.....

If the right to bear arms is not biblical ....

Apparently you are suggesting that GOD cannot protect HIS elect in this world for sufficient time for HIM to carry out HIS purpose in their life.

Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will"

Job 12:10 In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind."

Also Psalm 31:15 ....

I have never carried a gun for personal protection and never ever found the need arise that I should to protect me or my family.

My parents and Grandparents never carried guns either for personal protection.

Absolutely nothing in the Bible suggests that we cannot trust God with our lives. - AND absolutely nothing in the Bible suggests or implies we should carry personal protection in civilized countries. It is a complete lie to suggest otherwise.

The so called Right to Bear Arms is an ancient proviso which has nothing to do with life in todays society. It is way out of date.

2 Tim. 3:16 wrote:
The true Christian

The "Right to bear arms" today is definitely not Biblical nor Christian in its invitation to allow the individual to bring death onto the streets.

As a "right" it provides for an attitude of lynch mob justice and opens the door to kill your neighbour rather than love your neighbour. The freedom and facility which this proviso to carry a gun brings is obviously a hazardous and risky one which is exemplified by America's regular multi murders.

The provision to quote "bear arms" in modern times comes from a historic presence of danger and lack of policing which no longer applies to modern society as can be perceived in other countries.

pennned wrote:
"thou shalt not kill" refers to birds, fish and bugs, bacteria and fungus? --

pennnned wrote:
I sure do. PC control. clay pigeons don't feel pain, but it is a sport that connects people to their history.... and that is anathema in shill land.

Stevenr wrote:
some bleeding heart liberal

From Statistical resources such as the National research Council and others comes the following....

"Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] The ownership and control of guns are among the most widely debated issues in the country.[1]

In 2010, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 67% of all homicides in the U.S. were conducted using a firearm.[2] According to the FBI, in 2012, there were 8,855 total firearm-related homicides in the US, with 6,371 of those attributed to handguns.[3] 61% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. are suicides.[4] In 2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicides, and 11,078 firearm-related homicides in the U.S.[5] In 2010, 358 murders were reported involving a rifle while 6,009 were reported involving a handgun; another 1,939 were reported with an unspecified type of firearm.[6]

Gun violence is most common in poor urban areas and frequently associated with gang violence, often involving male juveniles or young adult males.[7][8] .... "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

Left Arm wrote:
someone is missing the point...

Left Arm wrote:
(1) Down through history, governments have disarmed their citizens only to tyrannize those citizens once they were disarmed.

(2) Luke 22:38
And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Tell that to the Sandy Hook parents and other recent US massacres.

(2) Notice Jesus states a couple of swords between a group of people at a time in history when bandits proliferated and justice was localized and in its infancy.