penned wrote:
Revelations is written not for future events!....

it is meant FOR US! (today)

Lurker wrote:
....Geff could make this right but I doubt he will.

Dorcas wrote:
This thread is down right childish and not honoring to the Lord.
Like a bunch of silly school kids on the playground.

Geff wrote:
GSMontana,
You call your wife a liar with no proof. It comes out she was telling you the truth. How do you appologize?
A. You shouldn't have said it the way you did, but I'm sorry.
B. Since I can't be 100% sure, I'm sorry.
or C. I'm sorry I didn't trust you enough to tell me the truth. Next time I will not jump to conclusions without evidence.
Your apology is accepted, though it doesn't come accross as genuine.

What GSMontana wrote was certainly more gracious (given the doubt over multiple IP addresses) than your comment.

s c wrote:
There is only ONE baptism that matters:
Ephesians 4:4-6
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
....

".....All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen"

s c wrote:
I'm not suggesting that many Christians have kept silence in this regard but a vast majority of Christians have

Willie wrote:
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Michael Hranek wrote:
HUH
No! I did not respond as I did to you because you denigrated prayer or seeking God (Something the pastor did)
And if anyone is having their 'prejudices challenged by truth!' in this case I believe it is you, specificially the ABUSE OF CESSATIONISM IS POISONOUS, as you posted:

That is what I repsonded to.
I respectfully did not agree with that
and took your comment, essentially how you judged mine, that you did like your prejudices challanged, especially by a real life example.
Hope that clears it up for you

Michael Hranek wrote:
HUH

I NEVER said this former pastor claimed to have healed her, and kindly look in the book of Acts if you will, and read through the account of the man crippled from birth at the gate called beautiful and notice well, neither Peter nor John (who we might safely say in proper context had 'sign gifts') claimed to have healed this man either

BTW If you imagine this church's abuse of "its" power (bullying) had nothing to do with an ABUSE of 'cessationism' there aint much anyone can really say to you is there

So be careful, be very careful here that you do not become a stumbling block in the faith of others, in something which is exceedingly precious to God, the effective fervant praying of His children
after all Jesus Himself said...
Mark 11:22-24 take note especially of Mark 11:24

Michael Hranek wrote:
Abuse of 'cessationism' can rob a church of the Power of God

The man did not claim that he healed her. He prayed and God healed her (following the James 5 pattern). So I cannot see that he is claiming to have exercised any spiritual gift.

Michael Hranek wrote:
...
So how about you, how about your church, does your faith have anything like this kind of life in its faith and praying? Or have you allowed 'cessationism' to rob you in your faith and praying of the kind of confidences God wants His children to have in Him?
I don't know about you but I am sick of pretend Christianity and I believe their is likewise a God-fearing remnent who are hungry and thirsty for God too.

Wordliness, false conversions, error ridden and false teaching, ecumenism, anti separatism etc. all play their part in robbing the modern church of a felt sense of God's presence.

Michael Hranek wrote:
So basically you are pretty much telling me, that even though you give lip service to "God is always a God of miracles" the poisonous influence of "cessationism", has had its work in you and that to you God just doesn't do the supernatural today, like is written about in the Bible, a defacto (if this is the right term) stumbling block to seek Him in faith for that, to expect Him to really be there, in His manifest power, in your life, as He was in the early church. Thanks but no thanks.

Michael Hranek wrote:
HUH
That's acceptable
Just keep in mind, should you come to truly need an out and out miracle, you might consider seeking out some prayer partners who have a bit of gumption in their faith and not those who are ify and/or blase

Michael Hranek wrote:
HUH
Ah, so you aren't the only one. That explains a good bit. I apologize for accusing/insinuating you use multiple monikers and ask your forgiveness.
I am not sure exactly what I will think next time I see Huh, is it you or is it somebody else
So getting back to the 'start', let me be a clear as I might I will stand by my post that there has been:
"...a poisonous influence of "cessationism", that God really doesn't do the supernatural today, like is written about in the Bible, a defacto (if this is the right term) prohibition against of even looking for Him to really be there, in His manifest presence, in your life."
Thanks for clearing up you post under Huh and other people have used (abused?) your initials.

Michael Hranek wrote:
PoT
How do you know Huh is a him?
Oops! Looks like I am thoroughly guilty of not know who Huh is, maybe he/she does only use that moniker. Or maybe others use it too?
Now you did kind of jump in there pretty quickly to kind of get on my case about him/her and turn the convesation away from the Present Day Ministry of the Holy Spirit and cessationism. A real genuine work of the Holy Spirit being essential if the people of God would see any so needed and so undeserved REVIVAL/AWAKENING
Bye got things to do
As I go, JAY JAY
Mister or Miss Huh hasn't posted anything back as only using that one moniker, so you might be wrong (oh no!) in asking that I appologize the truth is we don't know only "Huh" does and at this time he/she hasn't saw fit to clarify the matter
Bye to you as well (unless of course you are posting under a whole bunch of monikers too and I have already said Bye to you)

Michael Hranek wrote:
Huh
PoT too, maybe
If you really want to get upset with me, or far, far worse upset with God, go ahead and listen to
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=86141126251]]]No! It is Time To Pray For REVIVAL[/URL]
Now I warn you its only an 8:35 long audio news commentary not a full blown sermon but I believe there is enough for it to be really upsetting for self-righteous hypocrites, who are avoiding a real obedience to God like the plague

Michael Hranek wrote:
Huh
Wow! What an amazing comment!
Thanks for reminding me how intelligent religous geniuses can be
As is said sometimes, 'Good Day'

Michael Hranek wrote:
Huh
(whoever you are, how about using one moniker and staying with it, or even better your real name)
No.
I will stand by my comment, as I have repeatedly seen first had the influence of those who believe the "sign gifts" of the Holy Spirit have passed away hindering people from humbly honestly fervently seeking the very real Supernatural Power and Manifest Holy Presence, and the Present Day Ministry of the Holy Spirit in their lives, their praying and their witness
And please don't come back with empty lip service of how you believe God still does miracles today, believing that and humbly seeking God to actually do them (especially for the miracle of salvation/new birth in the Holy Spirit for those we love and care about), trusting He is the same Today are quite different things
editted after John UK's post
BTW For all of us, such HUMBLE, Honest, Fervant Seeking of God, Let me repeat that, OF GOD, not so much His gifts, only they are part of Seeking Him, is wonderfully life changing, part of God working in us to change us more and more into the image of His Son Jesus Christ