Is worship for the RC any different to veneration of relics, saints etc?

What does the person bring to the object of his worship? Sin, flesh, mind, heart, knowledge, ideology.

This being so is there any real difference between what the RC believes they bring to God - AND what they bring to idol's and relics et al?

They refer to words; Latria - worship of God. Dulia worship of saints etc. But how do they actually
separate them in the heart of the follower? And is there any discernable and realistic difference in the person?

In worship God commands and demands 100 percent of His disciple, - in worship, love and the fear of God.

The RC by dividing his heart and mind into some for God and some for relics etc, Thus ROB God of what is His due, and His alone. Therefore they do not worship God but bring Him down to the level of graven images, relics and dead bodies.

The Roman Catholic sins against God, Christ and the Holy Spirit and indeed blaspheme against the Holy Name of God.

"And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own TRADITION" Mk 7.9

Not a good idea since it is usually the uncommon words not in use which we look for in the Dictionary.

The quote, "shared views" of the atheist and the Roman Catholic!! Now that says it all doesn't it?

They would restore something called "Christian identity" - ONLY at the cost of Biblical Christianity since the atheist cannot read Scripture AND the Roman Catholic cannot read Scripture. The Vatican proves to be as subtle as Satan.

"The Church the Pope is talking about in his letter to the Cardinal Miloslav Vlk is not the true church of Jesus Christ but his very own the Catholic Church. And when he says THE CHURCH he means the POPE!! So the Pope himself is the key to the European Union.

Yes you can trust the papal antichrist to attach himself to anything religious and nonreligious to further his historic ends of destroying true Biblical Christianity.

The reformed commentators were correct in describing the Pope as the "Beast" of Revelation.

Thats why the Roman Catholics are very "anti-Sola Scriptura" since the Bible interferes with their REAL AUTHORITY the UNBiblical "traditions of the popish enterprise."

"A careful study of prophecy and world history shows us that Papal Rome grew out of Imperial Rome. In Daniel chapter seven we have the foretelling of the rise of four great world empires.
Each of these great empires is represented by a particular beast."

"The 'little horn' of verse 8 is also said to have 'a mouth, speaking great things'. These 'great things' are blasphemies. This is confirmed by verse 25. The more the Papacy developed the more offensive to God it became.
Emerging as she did from Imperial Rome, she assimulated much of the Paganism of that empire."
(Rev Kyle Paisley)

Trust the socialists to come up with that rubbish. The riots started off with a suspected drug dealer shot - Is that austerity measures.

What followed was anarchists, criminals and louts joining together to attack authority and steal whatever they could lay their sticky little fingers on.

The riots are not political or economic or any other type of philosophy. They are just wicked and criminal people indulging in a sinful rampage to see how much they can get away with. And some of them, will get away with their crimes, even if some do get caught and dealt with.

Signs of a lawless society.

Mike wrote:
Delighted to see you agree with Bennett that salvation is "the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast." (Eph 2:8,9)

Great minds think alike...

Except on Eph 2:8 where God teaches us that Faith, "His gift" would be provided to His elect for the purposes of salvation.

Its wet wet wet over here in Scotland, the harvest is getting soaked, hows the New York state?

Bibliophile wrote:
soundly-saved

Bibliophile wrote:
a) I was soundly-saved totally elect in the PCA before converting into the Roman Catholic

b) how could I be anything other than totally elect

b) Thats the same kind of declaration made by the church at Matt 7:21-23...
"21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

Christ does not welcome, admit, accommodate nor entertain idolators, such as Roman Catholics.

Your religion, rites and rituals are idolatrous and blasphemous. If you really were saved then you would perceive these truths in Scripture.

Bibliophile wrote:
All religions have a seat at the political (dinner) table, even soundly-saved totally elect papists, like me.

By Dr. Ian R.K. Paisley ...
"The question of Good Works is one of infinite moment. On this subject, Popery and the Gospel teach a very different doctrine: the Pope teaches that "our good works do merit eternal life, as worthy not only by reason of God's covenant and acceptation, but also by reason of the work itself." Such is the view of Bellarmine a Popish author of great distinction; and another of equal eminence, puts the point still more tersely. Vasquez has laid it down that "the good works of just persons are, of themselves, without any covenant or acceptation, worthy of the reward of eternal life." The error here is deep and deadly."

Bibliophile wrote:
If there is only one Faith why didn't the Founding Fathers plainly state this in the Constitution? Instead we have a smorgasbord also known as "freedom of religion."
What's next?

There is only one Faith!

And so we do!!
But is it too late for the UK?

Murder of the unborn child carried out remorselessly by this society.
Morals now come from homosexuals, described by God as an abomination.
The national Churches CofS/CofE are no more Christian than Satan is, indeed Satan wouldn't dare challenge God to the extent these hypocrites do daily.
Adultery is not only rife but has become a pastime in parts of society.
Government legislates in favour of evil practices.
Bishops reject the Word and the Law of God and clearly cannot identify sin.

Therefore the riots are a natural activity in a lawless society.

Jim Lincoln wrote:
NASB doesn't use "Yahweh" either, because giving God a particular name makes Him look like among and unknown number, and the vowel placement for YHWH are not certain

The Article topic::
Ro 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men..."

Trueman here seems to be encouraging some sort of "charismatic" type response. He also appears to be putting an onus upon preachers which is irrelevant, indeed almost theatrical.

Lady_Virtue wrote:
Sigh...I am so tired of seeing churches struggle concerning this. The Bible is plain and consistent in its teaching that sodomy is a sin. Those to fail to repent of it will not inherit the kingdom of God. But thank the Lord repentance is possible (I Cor. 6:9-11).

The underlying problem then becomes "Who wrote the Bible? God or men?"

Psalm 119:144 The righteousness of thy testimonies is everlasting: give me understanding, and I shall live.
152 Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever."

jpw wrote:
it's economic too.
if people had good jobs, land to grow food with basic knowledge about life, they wouldn't be losing it.
the economies around the world are falling.

Isn't this the pot calling the kettle black?
Standard and Poor being a financial services company is more culpable of the "Global Recession" than any of the politicians are.