GK wrote:
TokSpk-don't talk complete drivel....there is NO SUCH THING as a Christian country.
If you think there is,I'd love you to name it-there's your challenge for the day

I can see why you align your mentality with the Dispy Rapture-PreMills!!!
Floating christians and 1000 year long reruns of God's checking to see if HE got the first creation right.
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GK
Asked
"ok John,what's the actual greek word used that's translated "world" in the kjv?"

= [1] Kosmos [2] Aion

GK wrote:
just to pick out ONE of those points
pray tell,what is a "Christian country"?

Candle Lit wrote:
So, YEAH, I'd say that 6 billion people and their multiplied sins are greater than 6 million or 6 thousand. So, the sin aggregate is greater today, than has ever been in the past.

All three are sent to hell by the Lord. Which man received the "worst" punishment for his sin?

Candle Lit wrote:
a] So, over the past 2000 yrs, there has been a lessening of evil, and peace for the Church?

b] Is that what MH says? Does anyone of sound mind actually believe that?

c] look at the 20th century ALONE to see the multitudes of MILLIONS killed by Lenin and Stalin and Hitler....first half of the century -

d] murders and persecutions of Christians from the early church on, and I'd say there wasn't MUCH binding of Satan and peace for the church over the past 2000 yrs.

e] What about the Black Plague of the dark ages? .....Are we still in a period of Satan's being bound?

a] "lessening" ??? Nobody is suggesting that.

b] NO! MH did not say that.
Does anyone of "sound mind" SUGGEST that is what he stated???
= LOOK at the point MH makes re the "Gospel" See [d]

c] "millions killed"??? - Do YOU judge the iniquity/injustice of sin by the number of people involved?
= Are you aware of the sin potential in YOU and all mortals?

Candle Lit wrote:
So, over the past 2000 yrs, there has been a lessening of evil, and peace for the Church? Is that what MH says? Does anyone of sound mind actually believe that? It doesn't take an *intellectual* to look at the 20th century ALONE to see the multitudes of MILLIONS killed by Lenin and Stalin and Hitler

The Bible teaches that Satan blinds the sinner!! So he has effect now!
BUT
If you want to live PERMANENTLY in Auschwitz for example - THEN will you see how bad it can be in the evil hearted sinner that is YOU and every other sinner on earth today!

Of course GOD restrains Satan - Or are you convinced the Devil is really a nice guy at heart???
To try to JUSTIFY the ludicrous hypothesis if Dispy PreMill Rapture - YOU EVEN TRY TO MAKE OUT THAT SATAN AIN'T HALF BAD EITHER???

GK wrote:
they musn't think the Lord can do a very good job of binding Satan

WND make a point that quote, " but leave Christian ministers and pastors open to prosecution should their teachings be linked to any subsequent offense, by anyone, against a "gay.""
Note their words, - 'should their teachings BE LINKED to any subsequent offense' - Thus the point being that a "perceived" act of violence against a person might be "traced" back to preaching?

Basically all the same in source and achievable outcome and result.

The end result sought even if they disclaim it is complete freedom from authority. Freedom to *be* what you want and *do* what you want. Of course the problem with this is that sin and Satan dominates the will where God does not influence.

Therefore the so called "freedom" is never actually achieved. As was/is proved in communist nations. Liberalism is the next communist state.

When mortals reject God the result is never freedom, but bondage.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, ........ Romans 1

Mike wrote:
What do the elect need of a free will?

* Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness

* When one is indwelt of the Holy Spirit and in grace then and only then can man be free of total depravity to serve God in Christ.

* Until that freedom is divinely provided the sinner cannot serve God in any way shape or form whatsoever.

* But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

* Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

* know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

* But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Mike wrote:
Let God be true

God complete sovereignty.
Man complete depravity.
The children of wrath - ARE - the children of wrath. No change is required to that status in the sinner.

Mike wrote:
God is indeed obligated, not to man, but to His own character. His character required His provision of Christ as payment for men. Why? It is because His justice is in accordance with his love, not separate from it.

= First the facts... (Rom 3)
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

= Second the pardon...
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Are *ALL* "justified freely by HIS grace"? NO! (Pardoned)
Are *ALL* redeemed by the Son? NO!

Are *ALL* Judged? YES!
Are *ALL* guilty? YES!

that Satan, the world, and the flesh, are ready powerfully to draw us aside, and ensnare us;

and that we, even after the pardon of our sins, by reason of our corruption, weakness, and want of watchfulness, are not only subject to be tempted, and forward to expose ourselves unto temptations,
but also of ourselves unable and unwilling to resist them, to recover out of them, and to improve them;
and worthy to be left under the power of them:

DJC49 wrote:
To wit:
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked

The Elect being not content would be

Church at Ephesus...
2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

And Smyrna.....
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Publican wrote:
Perhaps a new survey is in order: 'Do Liberals know that they are liberals?'