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News Item5/21/14 3:18 PM
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"Therefore for you 4 pointers to suggest that God intended something which in effect clearly HE did not actually do - is deceit at best and heresy at worst."

The poor misguided 4 pointer suggests that God offered the salvation to everybody, based on the completely erroneous or heretical fallacy of man believing unto salvation all by himself.

Simple observation of the human race can see that to be a ridiculous idea.

Amyraut was the inventor of 4 pointer or Amyraldism as it is called. To achieve his doctrine Amyraut taught God is divided in HIS salvation theology. He taught that God has a TWOFOLD WILL of God in predestination.
1. A universal and conditional will.
2. A particular and unconditional will.

# 1 requires the works based salvation of human belief. This of course is exactly what the Arminian heretic believes. Man can save himself without God's intervention.

#2 Is the Biblical fact of Limited Atonement - IE God remains sovereignly in charge over who gets saved - And consequently saves the elect.

It amazes me that heresy is still so entrenched in the church today that some sinners can actually believe they can save themselves. Even many who sit in pews and preach in pulpits get this wrong as can be observed below. The arrogance of man???


News Item5/20/14 2:22 PM
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Jim Lincoln wrote:
Now too bad you're Christ didn't have enough power to die for the whole world, but mine does!
You need to address that complaint to God it is His divine plan.

God did intend salvation from the beginning.
God did intend Christ would die for the express purpose of atonement of saving in His blood.
God did intend to save the elect only.
God for a fact DID NOT intend to save everybody.

Therefore for you 4 pointers to suggest that God intended something which in effect clearly HE did not actually do - is deceit at best and heresy at worst.

Moses Amyraut to achieve this heresy of hypothetical universal predestination taught that God has two wills for salvation which are diametrically opposed. Obviously he did not know God.

As for Calvin;
"But as the Lord seals his elect by calling and justification, so by excluding the reprobate either from the knowledge of his name or the sanctification of his Spirit, he by these marks in a manner discloses the judgment which awaits them. I will here omit many of the fictions which foolish men have devised to overthrow predestination" (Inst ch. 21)

Thus if God excludes the reprobate then it would be UNJUST of God to require Christ's blood and hell's punishment for the same sinner.


News Item5/19/14 3:06 PM
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Jim Lincoln;
Even you don't believe the verse means everybody is saved - Here is an important teaching for you.

"the Amyraldians create larger problems that require resolution. The same objection that can be applied to Arminianism regarding the extent of the atonement can also be applied to Amyraldism. If Christ died for all men as it says in 1John 2:2, then we have a problem; namely, there are people in hell right now who have had their sins atoned for. The Arminian would respond by saying that they didn’t activate their salvation by believing in Christ, and the Amyraldian would respond by saying that God didn’t elect them. Yet, that does nothing to resolve the dilemma. Whether or not they responded in faith or God elected them, their sins have been atoned for and they should not be in hell! If Christ died for my sins, then my believing it or not believing it doesn’t make it any less true. If my sin debt has been paid, then I should go to heaven, not hell where I will pay for the same debt for eternity. In fact, Amyraldism makes things worse than Arminianism because it posits God passing over people for whom Christ died." (S. Michael Houdmann)
www.gotquestions.org/Amyraldism.html


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Jim Lincoln wrote:
My church believes in Amyraldism (Four point Calvinism), and since
Now Jim, as you will know from your gardening experience when a flower starts to lose its petals then it is dying.
Your T.U.L.I.P. Has lost its central petal which means your doctrine flower is dead or dying.

T. Is for the best Biblical description of sin dominating man.
U. Is for God's best choice made for His elect disciples to save them only.
I. Is for the incredible news for the elect who will receive God's graceful call which will save them.
P. Is for the wonderful gift of God who keeps His elect in faith by His power alone eternally.

Jim. The central petal of this Biblical divine TULIP is of course the work of Christ absolutely crucial to the other petals, without which the flower would die. The L for Limited Atonement tells us that God elected and predestinated the elect only for salvation.
It does not suggest as your 4 point ideology does, that Christ's work failed for the majority of humans.

You have taken away the central pillar of the building of the doctrines of grace collapsing the promise of God.



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