John UK wrote:
Does this mean that Strat hates us because we are Jews?

John UK wrote:
Strat, you have a fixation with money and politics. That comes out very clearly in your posts. But whether or not I am rich or poor you cannot tell by my posts, because I am a whole Bible man and must look at all subjects which God brings up in his word.

I ask you if you work for a living to see if have the integrity to answer,obviously you don't,i think I saw a post of yours once that indicates that you don't.

John UK wrote:
I said it was communism, PoT.
I was hoping to show the differenc between the two main economic solutions.
Yes, free enterprise is most biblical. What is not biblical is the attitude many have to the money they earn. IT'S MINE, IT'S MINE!!
Not at all, it's God's, and we are just stewards. He maketh poor, and he maketh rich. He can make the rich poor, and the poor rich. God does this, and there is nothing that Strat can do about it.
There is great warning in the NT about our attitude to money and how we use it. It can shipwreck faith, it can bring chastisement from God. You see now how much I love you guys to even mention such things?

John UK wrote:
So God controls our actions, and then grumbles at us for doing them?
So Capitalism is a biblical principle?
We have capitalists in the UK who are not interested in "God's economy". They sell things at vastly overrated prices, they sell things which damage the body and mind (like junk food and alcohol), they make a fortune out of pornography, in fact they are opposed by God at every turn. Most businesses are cut-throat, so that they can make more money than their competitors. I have even seen this among Christian businesses.

John UK wrote:
Eh?
Have you got a fixation on politics, Strat?
What does the Second Advent of the Lord Jesus Christ have to do with politics?

John UK wrote:
Don't panic, Strat, but when the Lord Jesus comes through those clouds, with all his holy angels, in flaming fire to take vengeance on his enemies, calling all men to judgment after first resurrecting all peoples, there won't be one soul asking, "But what about the thousand years reign from Jerusalem?", for they will realise the end of the world is come upon them, and they will watch the earth being burnt up, and also the heavens, every sin being purged and the universe being made clean again. And there is nothing you can do about it.

Poverty is only releived by a change of heart first then wealth and resources,a change comes from God,wealth and resources comes from economic development,and economic development comes from the profit motive.

In a perfect world the motive would be helping one another,we do not live in a perfect world so we need economic systems and rewards to motivate people to work and be productive.

One can complain all day long about this fact and it will do no good,the bible tells us to work and be content with what we have,what our neighbor has is not our business since they are accountable to God and not us on what they do with what they have.

John UK wrote:
You mean these objective truths?-
[By far the majority of capitalists are unbelievers who have a love of money and the power that goes with it. Jesus mentioned one in the Bible who was doing so well that he had to pull down his barns and build bigger ones. Jesus called him a fool for neglecting his spiritual side, and that God wanted his soul that very night.
Then there are hardworking spiritual people who have the Lord Jesus as Numero Uno in their life. If God prospers them, they are careful not to allow any riches to take over their mind, but use it for good purposes, rather than surround themselves with all their dosh which, although they earned it, it was God who prospered them - it is God's money, and they are but stewards of it.]
There are scripture proofs for everything I said in those two paragraphs. The fact that you disagree with both confirms my belief that you oppose God and God's ways according to the new covenant. It gets clearer and clearer. But then, if you belong to a capitalist megachurch, maybe you are simply getting a false perspective on money from false teachers.

John UK wrote:
You'll have a job to prove that false accusation, which I regard as antichristian, which is the answer to one of your questions.

John UK wrote:
1. Didn't you know that Frank is the chief of sinners, and I am second only to him? Well, perhaps you didn't know that.
2. If you had read your Bible, you would have known that my post was full of scripture, which is where I get my doctrine from.
3. Where do you get your antichristian doctrines from?

Frank ?

Varcole,John can't do that,he must display his superior holiness and righteousness at all times,the topic just gets in the way.

The topic is people,like ,John who loathe capitalism but lust after the wealth it produces,desiring it so they can live lives of unhindered leisure to pursue their"hobbies and interest" I believe Obama says.

John UK wrote:
Then there are those like Job, to whom God gave a great deal of dosh and children, but later took them all away, and took away his health also, whose friends did not understand the ways of God and thus exacerbated his suffering, until he learnt a few things and repented in sackcloth and ashes, to whom God restored all things in abundance, which is his right, as everything comes to man through the grace of God, undeserved and unmerited, when he could wipe out the human race because of its sin, but instead has chosen to save some out of the human rat race of hedonists, predestinating and electing them to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth, producing in them a fulfilment of the law which is to love God and to love his neighbour as much as he loves himself.
But then, the love of money seems to produce a stunted-growth Christian who lives only for himself and ignores the body of Christ or its needs. But there again, maybe they were not born again anyway.

The liberal narrative for Islam is that it is racist and/or xenophobic to criticse them and it is strictly observed by most liberals....more and more American Christianity is defining it's self through the prism of liberalism so liberal criticism is a serious issue.

The same people who are constantly warning against judging others yet have no problems when it comes to people who have money,more money than they have of course.

Then there are those who have never worked a day in their life and will never have to even though they are perfectly able,they steal the resources of others via political power,they are thieves,many of the calling themselves good Christians anyway.

The "least of these" are the old,sick and the orphan and widow....not just anyone who decides that work sucks so i'll sit home and drink beer and smoke dope all day.

SteveR wrote:
Yep
Strat has his feet firmly planted in the world

PursuitofTruth wrote:
Dear Strat,
We as parents are partly responsible for this. Why do you think daughters accused of not being virgins on their wedding night were stoned on their fathers doorstep? Because it is the parents duty, especially the fathers, to protect their children from this kind of stuff. But some of us failed in that duty, and handed our children over to public edu. and super nanny for their teaching and discipling. That is were WE have gone wrong.