Which our government and media love to have. Governments- its a economy in its self.
Media- Stories that sells paper and people love to read about!

Chris I had a quick look it appear right by what i was saying lol.. Any way What I was trying to say sarcastically that elninio and elninia should be asked first if we should comment. I was joking here they use scientist use the name fausly to undermine God and was having a dig at them. Too critic maybe on my part..The news Item in the Advertiser Well Mr Murdock who hates God,that I was referring to was an example,e of how they the media and political scientist are trying to make anything up thus 30 odd years ago they where saying theres going to be a mini ice age because of pollution. now its the opposite???? when are scientist going to get it right? Never!well not the politically minded ones. But if you look at farm rain fall and droughts we are having fewer in the last 50 years so the drought we are have ing now is normal cycle.I hope this help you Chris and others. cheers

I....I... Thats better you thats all.

So God says.Yamil.Romans 9:11-13 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

So when God say this I should question God and say god you have used the word salvation so Im rejecting this I know you said children of God and unrighteousness with God and Mercy on who God will have Mercy , I know what is salvation if Mercy isnt there. I know Mercy is the greatest thing for this is Christ and I know it say ye are not my people and children of the living God I know it say Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. I know it say faith Lord but theres no word salvation mentioned. god you haven,t given me a clear answer so I rejecting thta passage cause it offends me of the god I have in my mind..

you might as well add the same old answers of it does not Have salvation in it doesn,t or dosnt have witness to the lost hardly scriptual.Roman 9 is all about salvation its just you dont like what God say. You ask for contradiction just read your post . You sill have,t deal with how you say with one breath I Love the Biblical reformed faith and yet hate them here with the other breath.

You need your dictionary again Yamill I have Loved thee singular I have drawn thee singular.. Ouch. I didn,t know there was a Thessalonians 9

All we get from you is spam sorry to say.

You only need to see the common denominator in who they are and when.

No worries Wayne ..
Nice to meet you any way . I glad that was cleared up the questions and answers can be taken many ways some times.

The second answers to the Q puts the first in context for me If it were true faith or true born agian as you put it it would be forever so if it falls away it was not true faith.

The Lord bless and keep you in His grace.

Joel Osteen has already done that Jacobus, as you know the arminian gosple didn,t work.

Amen Luker endless blunders.

P.s Micheal You still dont get the work of the cross and Salvation in Christ is Al of the Lord Jesus not 90% and 10% man or any % as you would hope. That is why regeneration must come first. Blind, without strenght, deaf, lame and dead. Made Alive is our cry.

According to them they will still go to heavan but will have less rewards or I could add many different variances here. cheers I hope this is clearer for you. cheers Your definition sounds biblical..

What makes one born again wayne. All one has to others is a profession as Jude ellude too common salvation. Only God knows if it true. One may fool pastors, wife children and friends. As msn said it not hard to assum that fall away is speaking about open denial and never repenting. Jeff Peters sumed it up what fallicies or currently out there. I have more time for those who are consistant with there arminiamsm, they choose God and Choose out of God Not Choose God and some how their human choice binds God into some never-ending contract of eternal bliss. Perserverance is an important part in the Grace of God in a True beliver. The IBC and fundies like have a bit of both way and dont like to use scripture for their claims.As you see wayne 26 people think as Jeff pointed out.

You still dont get the gosple Micheal. God open the eyes God opens the ears God open the heart. Christ is the heart! The wind blow where ever. you said narrowly..with no repentance or expression of godly sorrow over what they claim so dogmatically is their 'total depravity' and the sins they have committed against Christ before their supposed conversion.
Unless you know that you are dead you wont know life repentace is the fruit of regeneration sorrow is the fruit of regeneration. Not your will is the your power to repent and have sorrow. Do you get it yet.

Or are you like Peter I will never deny you Lord Ill die for you. Ill choose you Lord you watch...

Amazing Grace how sweet the sound that save a wretch Like me!!
Not amazing grace that helped to then make a way to make a choise for my own. thats not umerited favour That Arminiasm which micheal though you dont like it are!! Just like I am not a Calvinist.as you claim!!I have never read Calvin only in one chapter in relation to those who claim he was Psalms only which is not correct he sang other things as well as the psalms! Off for another week. cheers