James Thomas wrote: Hey Kev, Good to see you posting and hope your summer has been going well.
Hey James hope you have been well as well. I didnâ€™t have much of a summer as Iâ€™m now taking Spanish 3 for summer and by far Spanish is the hardest subject for me. I just saw Jacobees comment and canâ€™t understand how someone could want to be associated with such a church that has such disgusting macabre buildings, not to even mention the false doctrines of the RCC. Maybe Jacoobee needs to hear the gospel as I canâ€™t imagine someone who has the Spirit of God in them who is suppose to lead them into understanding wanting to join the RCC.
Here is a video of the pope out of his own mouth denying the need of faith in Christ:
This guy will be Jacoobees leader if he decides to join the RCC
Just visit Mexico for the â€śday of the deadâ€ť where Catholics paints skulls and set up shrines for the dead. Study the origins of their holiday and why it just so happens to fall right after Halloween.
The RCC also promotes doctrines of devils 1 Timothy 4
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall **depart from the faith**, giving heed to seducing spirits, and **doctrines of devils;**
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 **Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats,**which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
The above covers lent and the RCC Priesthood on marriage.
Dr. Tim wrote: Thanks, Watcher. If we put up enough billboards (or tracts, or sermons, or one-on-one encounters) I am certain, too, that the harvest will be bountiful as long as the presentations are in accordance with scripture. BTW, I hope you and others have noticed that I'm trying to be more gentle in my approach. It doesn't appear that I can anticipate much in the way of reciprocity from certain individuals, but it's wrong for me to be ugly just because they are. Thanks for praying, by the way, my blood work was a snap.
John Yurich USA wrote: The only apostate Lutheran Church branch is the Evangelical Lutheran Church In America because it supports women ordained ministers and abortion and homosexuality. The other branches of the Lutheran Church are biblical.
Just read Lutherâ€™s Bondage of the Will before you start making your false statements.
John Yurich USA wrote: I know exactly what the Lutheran Church teaches pertaining to free will. I have studied the beliefs of the Lutheran Church and the Lutheran Church teaches that mankind has free will.
Exactly the Lutheran church doesnâ€™t even follow the teaching of Luther himself, they have apostatized from what he believed and look at them now.
Read Lutherâ€™s book before you start telling us what Luther believed. Thatâ€™s considered bearing false witness.
John Yurich USA wrote: Luther and the other non Calvinist Protestant Reformers believed that mankind has free will.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Have you read Lutherâ€™s book The Bondage of the Will? Your comments show how ignorant you are.
Here is just one quote from Lutherâ€™s book:
Speaking to Erasmus, "Throughout your treatment you forget that you said that 'free-will' can do nothing without grace, and you prove that 'free-will' can do all things without grace! Your inferences and analogies "For if man has lost his freedom, and is forced to serve sin, and cannot will good, what conclusion can more justly be drawn concerning him, than that he sins and wills evil necessarily?" Martin Luther BW pg. 149
Maybe like Billy Graham Luther doesnâ€™t believe his own thoughts. There are many other quotes I can list to from his book to show you have no idea what you are talking about.
Dr. Tim wrote: (I John 2:2) "Whole world" comes from a Greek word that means "whole world." God cannot lie, and this was His word choice, not mine.
Well you need to at least be consistent with your interpretation. The word â€śisâ€ť is present tense and in Romans 1:8 Paul says the faith of the saints at Rome present tense â€śisâ€ť spoken of throughout the WHOLE WORLD. I doubt they were talking about it in Mexico 2000 years ago. You have to be consistent if your gonna be dogmatic and say â€śwhole worldâ€ť has to mean every single person or the entire world.
8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith IS spoken of throughout the WHOLE WORLD.
There is other examples as well. Either your right about the way â€śwhole worldâ€ť is used in the Bible and the Bible is lying or your wrong. Itâ€™s as simple as that. Jesus said He laid down His life for the sheep, I donâ€™t know how that is hard to understand He doesnâ€™t even pray for the world but to those given to Him out of the world.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Kev... you requested Scripture in 5/7/18 3:42 PM post, I am trying to supply them.
You keep not understanding things. Who was my 3:42 message posted to?John.What were the scriptures I asked about from HIM?Being an antinomian. I donâ€™t know what you are talking about because you are responding to questions not directed at you and on an entirely different topic. I tried telling you this in my last post but you didnâ€™t get it. You are trying to have a conversation with me about something I said directly to John bringing about a whole lot of confusion as I never asked you for any bible verses. Hopefully this helps answer your last response to me UPS.
I have no idea of what you are trying to say with the verses you gave or even what your point is UPS. I have no desire to go read through your guys conversation before I started posting so Iâ€™m not even sure of what your point is and my posts where never directed towards you or the point you are making.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Got time for a quickie here. Will just ask 2nd question over What Scriptural command or commendation says or implies that a born again believer should, using your words, make Jesus Lord of their life? Will go back to question one later and please..
Jesus questions why people call Him Lord and do not what he commands;
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
A Lord is someone who you obey. This is the picture in the Bible. There is other places in scripture where someone who is followed is called lord as well. It signifies a position of authority in your life. Before you followed Christ, He would of asked why you call Him Lord and not follow His commandment (it is not the proper relationship between a lord and a servant). Yes Christ is Lord of all but we are talking about when you see Him as Lord, meaning you follow Him and SEE HIM AS LORD. Two different senses to the word there. Remember Peter called Jesus my Lord and my God. If you are not the SERVANT of Christ then He is not your Lord.
Also none of my post were regarding your comments before I started posting.
MS wrote: Those who believe the glorious Gospel of free and sovereign grace ALONE, aways have the slur antinomian hurled at them.. Would recommend a message by Scott Price. "It's About Christ His Righteousness"
Thanks MS what a blessing your comment was. I am always amazed at some of the comments on this news board. â€” UPS I canâ€™t imagine how you donâ€™t see how I answered your questions? No use if you canâ€™t see the answer from the scripture that I posted saying that faith is not of yourself but the gift of God when asked how faith is not something considered to be added to the gospel? Very strange.
Do you not see yourself as an Unprofitable Servant doing that which is your reasonable service because of what Christ has done for you the I.e the Gospel? Maybe you should add that which is your reasonable service (works) to the Gospel of the grace of God?
John UK wrote: Well that's because you are an antinomian, Kev. You just don't know yet what an antinomian is. However, if you still feel affronted, I apologise bro, and I'm glad you no longer see me as a Judaizer. Even though I'm not surprised you popped up in this discussion.
If I was you never showed me where I was wrong from scripture. You believe me to be an antinomian because I say that I am under the Law of Christ and not under the Ministration of death or the Tables of the Covenant (the old covenant). You know there is a lot more other â€śantinomiansâ€ť on this forum as well who share my beliefs. You have shown yourself yet again.
John UK wrote: Well Kev, I'm just waiting for the accusations to come that I am a Judaizer, and therefore a heretic and yet in my sins. A Judaizer is not saved, for he is trying to gain justification by his works added to the work of Christ.
I already in the past apologized to you. The Judaiser thing came up after you called me an antinomian remember? Which you never apologized for.
John UK wrote: Kev, I never bring anything of myself to God. So yes, I quite agree with that statement. Did you agree with my statement?
My original comment to you was based on the part I responded to you about â€śHowever, I'm fairly sure that Johnny Mac also believes this doctrine, so what gives?â€ť this is why I only left that part in my response. My response to you was about the â€śwhat givesâ€ť part in general and the problems in the movement and why there is such confusion (not about any of your comments). You misunderstood what I was saying then proceed to make some not so gracious comments. Last time I spoke to you I tried to be very nice and I was trying to have dialogue with you but that didnâ€™t go well as you saw my response as an attack. This is why I try to stay away from the SA news board lately.
John UK wrote: Kev, let me make a statement... We are justified through faith alone in Christ alone, in an instant of time, and God has done it all. Is that not right?
The Gospel has to do with how we are justified with God and it is by the faith of Jesus Christ. Now how that plays out in a believers life and the gospel are totally different things. The Gospel is the finished work of Christ and it is what we bring to God (for justification), we donâ€™t bring anything about ourselves to God. The life of one who is born again is dying to self and waring with the flesh and putting on the new man which is being conformed to the Spirit. The Gospel is what you plead before God.
1 Cor 15 tells you what the gospel is.
UPS what does the Bible say about faith in Christ?
Ephesians 2:8-9 King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Itâ€™s not a coincidence that the Gospel is all about Him from start to finish. Your moniker describes what is our reasonable service unto God because of what Christ has done for us(the gospel).
John UK wrote: Kev, either you misunderstand what I say, or I am a heretic. There is no middle ground. Now where you are going wrong, is in making "the gospel" something entirely separate, as if it were a separate message from ongoing Bible Study. For example, does Christ send us out to make Christians? No, that is found nowhere in the Bible. Converts? Nope. Does he send us out to "get people saved"? Nope.
So your saying the Gospel is also about something you do? I donâ€™t know how you can disagree with anything I said and say you are saved by grace alone through faith alone? Your getting things mixed up. Sure a Born again Christian will be a disciple of Christ and we are transformed by the gospel being preached. There are too many churches that concentrate on what you should do (self help) then preach the gospel which is able to transform one as they look to Christ.
Dr. Tim wrote: Right on target, Kev. Funny how so many crow about "sola fide" and then try to add this, that and the other to faith.
Yeah it is two seperate things and the Gospel is to have us emptied so that we may be filled. I saw your comments in the past about your ministry to the lost I.e. prison, rehab etc... Thatâ€™s great! Iâ€™m going to the bus depot today so keep me in your prayers as well Bro.
John UK wrote: However, I'm fairly sure that Johnny Mac also believes this doctrine, so what gives?
People are not rightly dividing the word of God. The Gospel is the finished work of Christ and how we are justified before a Holy God by the faith of Jesus Christ. Some have introduced other aspects into the gospel and made it no Gospel at all as they look within or at something they do instead of looking to Christ alone for justification. You canâ€™t bring anything of yourself to the cross. Verses about Jesus being Lord of your life is an entirely different topic than the Gospel. The Gospel is the good seed and being conformed to Christ is the fruit that you are born again. Too often people mix the two and you end up having one looking away from Christ, this is where you get; â€śI attend a baptist church, I gave my life to Christ thatâ€™s why Iâ€™m saved, I..., I..â€ť they are looking to something in themselves other than to Christ alone. Two separate thing and none of it negates the teaching that Christ should be Lord in your life;
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Just a guy wrote: Kev from US sayd... It is the understanding of a man before he joins that he will be entitled to those benefits when he joins. This is the understanding and the agreed upon wage for his service. Excellent point. I meant yo clarify about that. Since they have already been promised the right to a pension, free medical services, etc it wouldn't be right to take that away suddenly. For those joining in the future it shouldn't be in place.
I think your response above is much more in understanding of what the situation is and the agreement between the employee and employer. Now whether or not in the future Veterans should get the same benifits is an agreement that is decided upon before wages are rendered and contracts for service entered into. I would say anyone who has served in Iraq, Afghanistan, Special Forces etc... are definitely worthy of all that they are given now. It is an extremely hard job and the pay is small and is offset by the benefits package that comes with being a veteran.