Leonard Ravenhill, speaking of Christ, used to always ask "Are you willing to share His sorrow?"

Neil wrote:
What do "conservative" & "liberal" churches have in common? Obsession with politics.
And they don't even realize that they themselves are lawless...

I concede that apealing to the authority of an Evangelist is flawed, and that was what my comment did. I appreciate the rebuke.

The most downloaded preacher on SA - Paul Washer - Preaches from the NASB. If you visit HeartCry and download the study he created called 'The truth about man' you will find on page 5 of the pdf that he requires students to use the NASB.

I am not arguing that b/c he uses it we should. At the same time I don't think you will convince anyone that Mr. Washer is a liberal heretic.

Past: Justification - I have been saved from the penalty of sins past.

Future: Glorification - I will be saved from the prescence of sin in an eternal heaven.

Present: I am being saved from the power of sin here on earth.

fuzzy logic wrote:
In politics, the show is the ad and the ad is the show. IOW, politicians and their ideas are the 'products' you need that will make you happy.

Thanks for the link. It was very helpful. In many ways it gave me encouragement and in others it showed me a need for repentance.

I returned yesterday from a retreat with youth from our congregation, and while it was enjoyable for the youth (not a bad thing) it seemed to have very little of the power of God upon it. The teaching was to be on attonement, regeneration, and the second birth.

The problem arose when I attempted to use pre packaged programming to accomplish the teaching. I went to the lastest youth ministry resources as opposed to going straight to the Lord. By most 'youth group' standards the retreat was great, but most of that programming from these resources is designed so that leaders who don't go to the Lord can still get by. Sadly enough I fell into the trap.

Pray for youth leaders that they would be true to their calling, and their mandate to come along side of parents in order to instill biblical man and womanhood into youth who are entering a world where very few biblical men and women reside.

The points we make is that the attacks he makes on Palin are not biblical. The immoral often quote 'judge not' and 'he who is without sin cast the first stone'. At the same time the 'dead' fundmentalist entirely disregards the verses all together. I am a fundamentalist, but most who claim to be fundamentalist are just angry people quoting the same scriptures over and over to justify their own self righteousness.

Purge evil, agreed. Judge righteous judgement, agreed. Do not even associate with the immoral, certainly I agree. Why? the same reason I agree with 'judge not lest ye be judged' and 'he who is without sin...' because it is scripture. Not because it is liberal sodomite propaganda.

You liberals are a trip? The cries of the Sodomites? You just called Jesus and the Apostle Paul sodomites, pedophiles and feminists.

the word 'entirely' was not meant to lean one way or the other, i thought it was a clear word, i guess not.