Frank wrote: (1) I have used your verses to argue against praying to RC saints. (2) Paul said he would be more help to his followers if he remained; not die, go to heaven
(1) Praying to saints is pure idolatry and rejection of God. No real Christian would ever waste his/her time praying to a carcass. Only ignorant reprobates (the RCC) do stuff like that. (2) Very nice of Paul to say so. However the point he makes is one that I hope all true Christians receive. That is Heaven - Being with God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit is supremely exceptionally uniquely wonderfully and incredibly much much more desirable by the Christian than being in a sinful evil state and fallen world.
BTW isn't it the sign of the reprobate to shun heaven and want to live in this sinful world??
Jim Lincoln wrote: We are not to help God along with that, but to stay in good health.
"stay in good health" ~ Is the providence of God. God is sovereign over length of life and length of stay here.
Again you are putting far too much emphasis upon the "power" of man rather than the grace of God. You sure you are not Arminian Jim? Arminians are "Independents" politically since they don't trust in Romans 13. Isn't that true Jim?