BTW To help you all with Biblical theology interpretation and understanding, in 2015, get yourself:-
The Westminster Confession of Faith and its Catechism.
The Canons of Dordt.
And John Calvin's Institutes.
These will bring much pious fruit to your studies of Bible doctrines.

John UK wrote:
I do not neglect sound doctrine, indeed I make it my business to ensure that my beliefs are both sound and biblical

T. Man is less of a sinner than the Bible teaches.

U. Election is by God - BUT only when man gives his permission.

L. The Atonement did not work for most people.

I. Man can choose to reject grace, thereby defeating God's purpose.

P. Election, regeneration and salvation can be lost by the sinner.

What the non-Calvinist 'tulip' displays is an idolatrous view of self and an incomplete understanding of Bible doctrine. When the Calvinist observes this disclosure - he does not immediately think "not Calvinist" No he immediately sees a lack of Bible knowledge. Therefore conclusion made is, This is not a Christian witness.

Mixed up on own wrote:
Do realize how looney your answer sounds??

Mixed up on own wrote:
Pretty bad when it's advocates can't even great their own history correct. John Calvin was not a participant in the synod that wrote the canons of Dort. So, TULIP is not original with him. Also, it is an interpretation of the Bible,so it borders on adding to God's Word to use BC's last sentence. If you call someone disagreeing with your opinion suffering for The Lord.....

It is ludicrous to suggest that "interpretations" of Scripture are quote "adding" in the sense of error. Interpretation of Scripture by Calvinist/Reformed theology is guided by the Holy Spirit. TULIP proves that for those who know both Scripture and the Doctrines of Grace.

The elect do "suffer" for the Lord IN His name as He taught would happen.
As Christ stated ~ Matt 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake"

IkeMike wrote:
Updated January 27, 2009 (first published December 12, 2001) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service

P = Perseverance of the saints. The elect are kept by faith by the almighty power of God Himself. " Eph 2:10 we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them" And "Phil 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure" Chosen by God, redeemed by Christ and faith by the Holy Spirit; - Again honouring God. Thus the Biblical TULIP honours God and teaches God's sovereignty and His love and mercy through His Son Christ Jesus.

Calvinism teaches the Bible, teaches the Word of God from Genesis to Revelation and portrays God in His sovereignty and Christ in His Love and sacrifice for His followers the elect.

L = Limited Atonement - A most controversial term! But why it is God and Christ honouring. God' sovereignty is built into it illustrating how God Limits the Atonement of His Son to the Elect only - Thus part of election and predestination. God knows the elect and who they are. Jesus knows His own sheep and they know Him as the Lord Himself taught us. Jesus did not die for those who go to hell, He didn't need to they are paying their own price for sin by eternal punishment. Thus even circumstance dictates that Atonement is Limited to those who are elect, saved and regenerated. A Christ honouring term for His great sacrifice for His disciples. Yet there are some who would argue that the atonement effect should be extended to those who are sent to hell???

T = Total Depravity - the state of man before regeneration. The sinner is dead blind and deaf to the things of God. His heart is corrupt and evil. Thus Total Depravity accurately explains the state of the sinner. But it also gives all the glory to God it is a God honouring term in that ONLY God can save the depraved sinner. Only "grace of God" can change this evil hearted mortal from such a circumstance as terrible as this. Those who try to weaken this term are trying to place the sinner closer to God thus bring down God in His power and sovereignty.

They sound like good Christians and in todays churches 'ARE' respected and considered to be good Christians.

But Jesus rejects them and declares He does not know them. That seems harsh.

Jesus teaches that regardless of many Christian confessions and professions many who think themselves Christian are not saved - not elect.

The powerful teaching we see in these verses is that addressing Jesus as Lord is not enough, what we perceive as "wonderful works" (Arminian and RCC ideology) is insufficient, even prophesy and battling against demons is not enough to be Christian.

C.H.Spurgeon Declares in sermon that Calvinism is the Gospel. But only some can see this light.
TULIP is Biblical but only some can see this light.

Faith is the gift of God, not human effort or ability. Eph 2:8/9 declares this but some try to keep it human.

So it is that the Reformed branch of the church baptizes not only adult converts,
but also the children of believers.
The unity of the Scriptures expressed in the unity of the Covenant of
Grace supplies a number of contours for the doctrine of baptism. Baptism
initiates into the covenant, calls for internalization of the faith, distinguishes two communities among those who are baptized, and justifies the baptism of the children of believers.

Michael Hranek wrote:
C.H. Spurgeon is, he was still a fallible human being who could err and sadly in this statement did just that

John UK wrote:
THE GOSPEL had already saved plenty of folks before Mr Calvin was born.

Other 'religions' such as Arminian, Liberal, dispensationalist, Jehovah's Witness and Roman catholic of course seek their salvation by works. Thus do they reject their sinful state and accord human self effort to a level which they believe to be mutually equal with the divine.

CANONS
Article 2 Man after the fall begat children in his own likeness. A corrupt stock produced a corrupt offspring. Hence all the posterity of Adam, Christ only excepted, have derived corruption from their original parent, not by imitation, as the Pelagians of old asserted, but by the propagation of a vicious nature.

Article 3. Therefore all men are conceived in sin, and by nature children of wrath, incapable of saving good, prone to evil, dead in sin, and in bondage thereto, and without the regenerating grace of the Holy Spirit, they are neither able nor willing to return to God, to reform the depravity of their nature, nor to dispose themselves to reformation."

Calvinist Understanding wrote:
For all the pseudo-calvs who like trumpeting their priviledge and scorning all else, you might learn a thing or 2 from this ??????????
Darryl

But election does not work like that.

Rememeber ecumenism is just another word for compromise.