Frank wrote: Well some might say that since the below is an OT verse, then it doesnât apply to the NT. But, scripture says that God doesnât change and neither does the below admonition. Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God. Regardless of what medical procedures this young lady undergoes, she will never be able to father a child and she will never be able to participate in sports with men. IOW, she will never be a man. What an incredibly evil world we live in.
The distinction of sexes by the apparel is to be kept up, for the preservation of our own and our neighbour's chastity, Deu 22:5. Nature itself teaches that a difference be made between them in their hair (1Co 11:14),and by the same rule in their clothes, which therefore ought not to be confounded, either in ordinary wear or occasionally. - Matthew Henry's Commentary
This is part of God's eternal moral law and has not been abrogated in this New Testament era. Thank you, Frank. Great comment.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Given His statement about him How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! I would say that is far fetched, not impossible, but far fetched.
Of course it is **impossible** for anyone born of the flesh, but Christ regenerates even the most wicked (Saul) of His elect. I've noticed, U.S. that during this discussion, you have constructed points consistent with the Arminian position, a position the reformers unanimously rejected (Canons of Dordt). Your views seem to echo those of the Roman Catholics (with regard to the doctrine of Justification) during that period (and today). I know that our standard isn't "the church fathers", but Scripture. However, I would think that if my position was similar to the R.C's, this might at least leave cause for reexamination. Perhaps a glance at Luther's classic, "Bondage of the Will", might get your attention. Peace.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: I never said that. I am not saying it with the next sentence. The unrepentant rich young ruler shows that God's love extends beyond His elect. If God didn't love sinners none would be saved. God bless.
Have you considered that Jesus loved the rich young because he was elect?
"Christ loved the rich young ruler, even though he was self-righteous and loved money (Mark 10:20, 22). Jesus loved him from before the foundation of the world, when He died for his sins on the cross (John 10:15; 15:13), when He renewed his heart and into eternity. In His amazing grace, the Son of God loved the rich young ruler (and all His people) âwith an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindnessâ He drew him (Jer. 31:3). Out of love for the rich young ruler, Christ spoke to him of his sinful love of money, calling him to repentance. The young man went away, as Jesus commanded him, to count the cost (Mark 10:21-22). His grief and sadness was not a worldly sorrow but a âgodly sorrow [that] worketh repentance to salvationâ (II Cor. 7:10)."
ladybug wrote: Thanks Andrew, I would add the doctrines of grace should never be accredited to Calvin - he didn't write them. I do not hold to 'Calvinism', rather, I hold to the word of God alone as the only source of truth.
Agreed, and I'm sure that Calvin would also agree. "Calvinism" is just a nickname for TULIP/D.O.G. I don't know anyone that calls themselves a Calvinist who would disagree with your comment. Blessings.
Amen, Ladybug. The biblical doctrines of grace are always a target for the Evil One since they are the heart and soul of the Gospel. In modern times his tactic has been to utilize a modern/soft "Calvinism", which is really just a form of Amyraldianism (disguised Arminianism). At the centre of the attack are the twin deceptions known as "The Well Meant Offer" and "Common Grace". It takes an acute heart to discern that these doctrines are not only incompatible with the D.O.G. (but compatible with Arminianism), but undermine the very heart of the Gospel. The most common response to anyone who challenges them is that they are "Hyper-Calvinist" - a totally false usage of the term. Bless you, Ladybug, for your courage and thank the Lord for His work in you.
A Critically Important Lecture Dr. Robbins explains how Van Til's subtle rejection of the authority of propositional revelation has helped facilitate the construction of unbiblical views of justification. Given the state of the modern Reformed churches the importance of this lecture cannot be overstated.
"Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
2Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
5They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good." Jeremiah 10:1-5
Carl in Greensboro wrote: Australia had a great spiritual awakening in the 1980s and 90s....;
I spent the first 40 years of my life in Australia and I don't remember that. Quite the contrary, in fact. I remember the 80's and 90's as a time of spiritual declension in Australia. As far as I remember, it really all started in the late 70's and it continues today. I'm just wondering where you got the idea that there was a spiritual awakening in the 80's and 90's.
Many have been predicting this for over a decade. Blurring the distinction between male and female equates to pagan spiritualism - antichrist to the core. Why not take the time to read an excellent article on the subject by Dr. Peter Jones? Androgyny: The Pagan Sexual Ideal
MS wrote: C.H. Spurgeon once said he wished Xmas would come around 6 times a year if it made people a little more kind and giving.
The following excerpt is from Spurgeonâs last message on Christmas in 1871.
âWE HAVE NO superstitious regard for times and seasons. Certainly we do not believe in the present ecclesiastical arrangement called Christmas: first, because we do not believe in the mass at all, but abhor it, whether it be said or sung in Latin or in English; and, secondly, because we find no Scriptural warrant whatever for observing any day as the birthday of the Saviour; and, consequently, its observance is a superstition, because not of divine authority......"
Homeschool Dad wrote: Oh there's even better news...He's coming back!!!
The Gospel, of course, is **the** Good news.
1 Cor 15: 1-4 "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures"
This is the Good News that we are to celebrate, according to the Scriptures, not his incarnation, and certainly not a Roman Catholic Holy day (or Pagan sun-worship) - The-Christ-Mass.
Mourner, I was not yelling. I'm sorry you got that impression. I was only trying to emphasize the word "only" and was not aware of another way to do it. Hence, the use of capitals.
The WCF quotes you provided are loosely related to what I was saying. God ***ordinarily*** saves those who are part the visible church, since this is where the true Gospel is heard. His people are only as sanctified as the preaching is true. But I was speaking of an individual's Elect person's response to the Gospel, whether or not the truth was spoken with the accompanying fruit of the Holy Spirit (life of Christ) or not (Phil 1:18).
A regenerated individual will always be drawn to the message, whether delivered with wrong motives or not, and an unregenerate individual with never respond to the message, whether delivered with wrong motives or not.
The only elements of the message the unregenerate individual will respond to are the non-propositional elements (demeanor etc).
It is the preached Word ***only*** that draws (effectively) the elect (Rom 10:14).
I suppose there are other sections in the WCF that are related (like chapter 10 on effectual calling), but I think it was the bible passages that I quoted that sad it best.
Shane wrote: Andrew... Thank you for your post. It is not demeanor only, but the mind and mouth of Christ which is fruit of the new birth. The life. Christ in you, the hope of glory. That we would be like him in this present evil world. Which is the power of God. Pre destined to be conformed to the image of his son. Reality! Romans 15:5-6 (kjv) Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be like-minded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: that ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
That is right, Shane. A transformed life is the result of our mind being renewed. This is the fruit of the new birth.
However, I was responding to your comment that the non-verbal elements of the new birth are responsible for drawing men to God. As I have already demonstrated, that comment was unbiblical.
While God's means of grace to gather His people is not through "clever words" spoken according to Human "wisdom", it is through truthful words spoken (1 Cor 1:17). God draws the elect through the preaching of the Gospel ONLY.
Hence, I am distinguishing between God's means of Grace in Justification (gospel preaching) and the fruit of the New Life in Sanctification.
Shane wrote: The life in you (which is Christ) is your witness. Which draws men. Not your cleaver words.
Although, of course, we should, in obedience to Him, be Christ-like, Christian demeanor does not save, but Faith in the Gospel saves. God draws (compels, not entices) His people (the elect) through the Gospel preached (Rom 10:14).
Belief in the Gospel message (Faith) is the means-of-Grace that God has appointed to gather His church into His kingdom.
Paul rejoiced that the Gospel was preached even by those with wrong motives since it is the Truth that sets us free, not witnessing Christian piety apart from the Gospel message (Phil 1:18).
Salvation is by Grace alone and through Faith Alone (Eph 2:8).