these people were dumb and thoughtless, they might be regenerate christians or they might be do goodnik churchianity false converts.
What is God teaching them / us ?
They looked pretty unsure of themselves on tv and the older dame lied to start with and said at first they didnt realise they were doing anything wrong then changed her mind so not a good sign
apparently the parents were willing enough that the kids should go but thats no criteria in a nation which habitually abandons its children - another bad sign that the baptists would assist in child abandonement
is the government trying to assert itself ?
usually in these situations everyone trys to find an easy way out to avoid the publicity - if the baptists didnt take it were they digging their heels in and being dumb ? (again ?)
Is God saying I sent the earthquake dont interfere ?
Are they false do goodnick churchianity christians and God is teaching them something so they get properly convereted ?
myself i think they bought dishonour to the gospel they arent getting persecuted for the word they are locked up for taking liberties at the root of it is a desire to have the approval of men a tough lesson to learn but if they are the elect it will be for the best
donnie wrote: I wish that pastors would address this particular sin since 30-40 % of all men struggle with this sin. Perhaps we need pastors who deal with sins/problems/struggles, that many Christians struggle to deal with. I know that's my problem with preaching and, I believe, rightly so.
yeah donny youd just love pastors to talk about gaydom in church all the time right ? then you can be accepted for being gay and maybe recruit a few to travel the herschey highway
serious post or a gay that wants to 'Jam' ? i dunno
but i know this 30 - 40 % of all men do NOT struggle with sodomy so the post is a LIE
FYI 10 % of men are gay is also a big fat gay LIE
Also many christians do NOT struggle with this (mercifully) another big fat sodomite LIE
If you want preaching against sodomy check out fred phelps at the WBC
Quit believing the sodomite propaganda would be a great start
John UK wrote: Maybe someone should start printing tracts like [URL=http://www.spurgeon.org/tract07.htm]]]THIS[/URL] again. Sure beats all these modern tracts using modern versions, doesn't it?
Totally excellent ! ive been looking for a tract was thinking about writing my own but why not use this ! its better than anything i could write - ok just make it smaller print it off and then use plastic laminate to seal it
great thx, i dont like offering advice but nobody else did
Having a family must be a help
The fact that you know God means you have NOT been given over to a reprobate mind as in Rom 1 - if anyone says that they are wrong because the singular charactaristic of the reprobate mind is that they cannot discern the things of God. The sin you have is not so overwhelming that it has caused you to cast aside the things of God. Quite an important thing to bear in mind i think
its even worse than you think and even worse than the uk
Recessions typically reduce government tax collections ( USA ) Individual income taxes declined 20%, while corporate taxes declined 50%. At 15% of GDP, the 2009 collections were the lowest level of the past 50 years
Hey mr presifdent i know we arent getting the tax revenue s but this is your presidency we are talking about you NEED tpo spend - just print the money simple!
great idea bernanke go to it
annual deficit to us gdp is 9 to 11 % depends on who you listen to
total govt debt is 77% of GDP and climpbing by 10% a year !!!!! theres no collateral !!!!!!! The dollar is underwritten by NOTHING ! whoops !
caution and thrift mught count for soemthing but the best USA can do is to say that we probably maybe wont increase annual derficit - whoa what about cutting back to hwat can be afforded ?
that freeze on spending programs means only no more inreases !! he he ! USA is still going to rack up more debt all the time printing money and undermining the dollar just like we are doing in the UK
Gordon Brown was crowing in parliament this week saying he had avoided a full scale deppresion
Ha ha GB is a moron and so is Obama - the depresion already started in 2007
they are telling people recovery has started - liars and fools they are just staving of the inevitable they have been papering over the cracks stealing our money in huge quantities to give to the gamblers who lost people om the street know the truth, paycuts layoffs inflation and it hasnt even got into second gear yet !!
In the UK after the may election the govt will have to bring in 20 to 30% spending cuts - oh but the 'recesion ' is ending right GB ?
In 2008 i said its the end of the dollar as international currency
business people i know are only using dollars when they have to
there is no 'plot' to stop using the dollar for oil and projects its just business.
Owners of capital are going to blow the whistle on the USA and UK THIS YEAR by 2011 the Fiat currency crisis will have come and gone
Buy gold and silver dont keep it in paper its going to be worthless
John UK wrote: Charles, I thought you might like this excellent article on making use of creation in [URL=http://www.wayoflife.org/files/dd8146908512a559d7cdd670bea1d7c6-500.html]]]outreach ministry[/URL] Most helpful I think.
thanks john thats very interesting its a shame he does not have some resources tho i have my own
I agree with his approach as well i believe most creationists share this approach, tho i know one or two that follow the traits he describes but its all useful
its been a lot of work over the last three years to learn about the bible and learn about science subjects which i previously had no interest in at all like genetics and geology.
I havent read a novel or recreational book in all that time.
Just science and the bible and doctrine.
I am praying that God will allow me the honor of using it starting this year. I am reading foxes book of martrys and the remarkable wisdom of solomon by henry morris at the moment
BTW we used the passage from revelation which you quoted on here for our family bible study tonite, the one where everyone is hiding in the rocks
we have i am sad to say neglected our study in the new year with all the trauma of moving, also ive had a difficult time in my work
John UK wrote: Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child. Jeremiah 1:5-6 KJV
a worthwhile addition - loved, ordained and sanctified even before leaving the womb - things hard to understand......................
Mike wrote: Foreknown means foreloved only in a particular theology that requires this definition in order to be upheld. Why should mysterious theology always trump receiving as a little child? Is it one of those "spiritually discerned" things that the simple child doesn't understand?
And Adam knew Eve his wife: who conceived and brought forth Cain
And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and named him Seth
And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bore Enoch
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born Jeremiah 1:5
Michael Hranek wrote: Question: Did Jesus' obedience to the Father in dying on the Cross and willingly shedding His blood affect or not whether someone may or may not be saved?
ask away dear friend, i love to test my understanding in this way
The answer to the question is a big yes.
God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit compacted together before the foundations of the earth were laid, outside of time in eternity to rescue from the sea of humanity certain souls from death.
Their names were written in the book of life
Those names belong to Jesus. We did not belong to Him until His work upon the cross was complete.
Only then was divine justice served for the casting away of our transgresions.
At this point and no other were we redeemed and all the other elect souls.
Jesus did not just come to die for us but something worse, to suffer, death and for a time the wrath of God
In this way Jesus claimed for himself each and every individual foreknown which means foreloved in eternity, each of us loved by Him before we were born.
BTW the foreknowlege of God certainly does NOT mean as some say that God 'knew' we were going to convert. He caused us to come to Him because He loves the Son who loved us.
Michael Hranek wrote: Question! Do our efforts in obedience to the word of God affect or not whether someone may or may not be saved?
It does not affect wether they will be saved but our obedience to the Word ie preach to every creature, bless them that persecute you, pray for the lost etc has i believe a bearing on our eternal reward so its important. Not because Gods needs us to help Him with His eternal decrees but for our own edification and sanctification. Its a mystery. He chooses to use us but of course He does not have to
John UK wrote: We must never dictate how God is to work, but trust that when we open our mouth to communicate, we engage in something most supernatural and spiritual.
what on earth do you mean by this john ? I explain that fred or whoever is pointing out a basic oft repeated (in the bible at least) scriptural basic, that God is angry every day with the wicked and hates workers of iniquity -
' We ' presumably this is intended for me and fred ? musnt dictate to God ?
The accusatory tone of this is patronising in the extreme and theologicaly ridiculous.
What is your evidence that i seek to dictate to God ?
princephil wrote: Seriously Charles no one is decrying the abomination of Sodomy,
its ok pricephil (can i call you dad ?) nobody would doubt your credentials just because you disagreed with freds approach
excellent links very interesting i shall be spending some time going through the site,
the mainstream church compromise on the issues of fornication, adultery and divorce have allowed the normalisation of homosexuality to take place, the general church is in no authoratative position to oppose the homosexual lobby in the eyes of the wider society
My understanding is that God is angry with the wicked every day which includes gays as well as the other run of the mill sinners and that he does hate the workers of iniquity.
does transmitting that biblical truth make me or fred a hate merchant or a purveyor of a hateful gospel ?
I dont believe so
yes freds methods are a little in your face but biblical in my view when we consider what is at stake, an eternity of unimaginable despair and torment.
he wouldnt need to do this and i dont think he would if the wider church had not compromised itself into a position where it has no authority any more
as ive said before, WBC represents what used not long ago to be the mainstream