Ladybug writes: It really breaks my heart to see some who appear to be sound in their beliefs embrace the ecumenical Graham.
I hope my comment yesterday didnt lead anyone to believe I support Billy Graham, I was simply saying that we can rejoice that people have been saved through his ministry, even if it was only a few. I really dont want to get involved in this conversation, so thats all Ill say.
I dont think much of Billy Graham, but I will add this:
Philippians 1:15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: 1:16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: 1:17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. 1:18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
I know not what his motive is in preaching the Gospel, nor do I think much of altar calls, but I will rejoice that many have heard the gospel through him and have been saved, though I imagine his emotion driven altar calls have led to more false conversions than genuine conversions. But then again, only the elect truly respond to the gospel.
I agree SteveR. I dont care for the pagan traditions surrounding the holiday, but this is the time of year where Christ and his birth garners much attention. Should not the Church take advantage of this to share the gospel despite the pagan roots?
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Will someone connect the dots for me? How is the slaughter of Christians by Muslims the fault of the churches in American or any other country for that matter. When the Roman government and the Jews were murdering, torturing and imprisoning Christians, could you show me where the blame for that was laid upon the "moral failure" church of that day. Thanks
I too dont see how the Church is responsible for the actions of unregenerate sinners. Even in dead apostate churches nobody in encouraging the slaughter of Christians over seas.
I fail to see the point you are making. Romans 11 speaks of salvation coming to the gentiles, and that Jews have been given a spirit of slumber correct? Now Paul makes it clear that their is a remnant according to the election of grace and God has not forsaken the Jews. So, when this remnant is saved threy are graffed back in and would be part of the Church. Like I pointed out earlier, only the Church is heir to the promises of Abraham.
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
I think I will exit this conversation for now, and later tonight I will check out the sermons MS posted
Lurker writes: Another thing perhaps someone can answer. Why the fixation on one tribe of Jacob? Did Jacob not have 12 sons? Were not the promises made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob for all 12 tribes plus Manasseh, Ephraim?
Since those who are of Christ are heirs to the promise, perhaps they would also like to answer why Christians werent zipped over to Israel?
I believe that true Israel is the church, and that the gospel has broken down the wall between Jew and gentile.
Galatians 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
John for JESUS wrote: GSTexas... I got cut short on my last post. I quoted Ezekiel 36:20-27 in order to show you that God wasn't bringing the Israelis back to their land for their sake, as if they were somehow deserving of it. God did it for His name's sake. Also, look at the order of events. First the people of Israel are brought back to their land (verse 24) and then they are made clean (verse 25). What we see now in our time is verse 24 and what will happen at the end of the Tribulation is verse 25.
I see you ignored Ezekiel 37:12-14, here it is for you again:
Ezekiel 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD
I feel the same way at times Delores, especially when it comes to this topic since Im sure Im in the minority. Eschatology is a complex subject, and I may have it all wrong, so I have no animosity towards my premil brethren.
Ezekiel 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
Notice David is their king. This is a reference to Jesus. These are not Christ rejecting Jews.
Ezekiel 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD. 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all s
My point earlier was that you said that the law had nothing to do with the promise, and yet they were removed from their land for not keeping it. Also, if they were removed from their land for their wickedness, why would God return them while they are still in a wicked state? This is not what scripture teaches.
Ezekiel 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. 36:29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you. 36:30 And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famin
Sorry to hear that Dorcas. Sadly, Ive seen that attitude amongst professing Christians as long as I can remember, and always without Scruptural evidence to back their prejudice. To my knowledge, the only people Christians are warned against marrying are unbelievers. Like Helps said, this wall was demolished by the gospel.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
John for Jesus wites: The promises were never according to the law because there wasn't even a law when God made the covenant with Abraham.
1 Kings 9:6 But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them: 9:7 Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; and this house, which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all people: